California population declines for second year in a row

[whattimeyougot]

Hmm……High taxes, incompetent government, sky high cost of living, homeless, high crime. I can’t imagine why people are leaving in droves!


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[whattimeyougot]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

I wish I didn’t live here but I do.

There are positives and negative’s.

But overall, if you’re in tech, and you’ve been doing it for 15-years, where else you gonna go?

Work remote!!!


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[Star Ferry]

Most of the problems described in this thread don’t actually matter to the super rich, though. They can live in a gated community, hire security, and leapfrog traffic jams in choppers and planes. And the lower-income or no-income folks may receive better public services than available elsewhere + there are more cohesive immigrant communities. similar to NYC, the real squeeze is on working people in middle and upper-middle income ranges who lack inherited wealth.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Most of the problems described in this thread don’t actually matter to the super rich, though. They can live in a gated community, hire security, and leapfrog traffic jams in choppers and planes. And the lower-income or no-income folks may receive better public services than available elsewhere + there are more cohesive immigrant communities. similar to NYC, the real squeeze is on working people in middle and upper-middle income ranges who lack inherited wealth.

That's me.

I live in a gated community and use my helicopter to get around.

Livin' the dream.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Most of the problems described in this thread don’t actually matter to the super rich, though. They can live in a gated community, hire security, and leapfrog traffic jams in choppers and planes. And the lower-income or no-income folks may receive better public services than available elsewhere + there are more cohesive immigrant communities. similar to NYC, the real squeeze is on working people in middle and upper-middle income ranges who lack inherited wealth.

Too bad there's no representation in government for these squeezed people

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by whattimeyougot

Hmm……High taxes, incompetent government, sky high cost of living, homeless, high crime. I can’t imagine why people are leaving in droves!


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That's hilarious. I'm guessing you're getting your information from your favorite newscast.

Meanwhile life is good. Cost of living is ok. Homelessness is in every state and lots of the homeless people from other states came here so the wouldn't freeze to death. Crime is in certain areas much like any other place with 40 million people.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by Blansky

That's me.

I live in a gated community and use my helicopter to get around.

Livin' the dream.

That’s not what I’m saying. Many middle income folks probably love California and even love the priciest areas like SF. Or maybe they got on the property ladder decades ago and are insulated from the sky high housing costs. Plus, not every part of CA is that expensive. What I am saying is that the super rich can totally insulate themselves from all the things In these “CA is failing!!!” stories and therefore CA will continue to hold broad appeal for the super rich.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

That’s not what I’m saying. Many middle income folks probably love California and even love the priciest areas like SF. Or maybe they got on the property ladder decades ago and are insulated from the sky high housing costs. Plus, not every part of CA is that expensive. What I am saying is that the super rich can totally insulate themselves from all the things In these “CA is failing!!!” stories and therefore CA will continue to hold broad appeal for the super rich.

Lets face it the super rich can and do live wherever they want. Most wealth in the US is inherited wealth even with the tech boom that created so many millionaires and billionaires. Every state has extremely rich people.

Some of these people have multiple homes all over the world and go with the weather or whatever.

I remember in the Silicon Valley back in the 90s when housing prices were quadrupling in a few years and people were forced to move farther and farther away and commute, and I'd look at home prices in Colorado or some other states and see how inexpensive it was. But you look today at just about any state that someone wants to live in and housing prices are high now everywhere.

The trick to living in large areas like LA is to live close to where you work and life is great. Wonderful weather, short commute, lots of time in the outdoors, and still able to travel to the best a large city has to offer.

Or you can pull up stakes and move to the boonies and enjoy tranquility. Choices are good.

I remember the mantra...everyone is leaving California..... that was in the 1990s after the Rodney King Riots....... well guess what, the population barely moved and then increased again. If people leave California for retirement, or cheaper housing, or fires or whatever....good for them. Won't change anything here. And moving to Florida just got a nasty wakeup call with the hurricane. Vegas and Phoenix just keep getting hotter in the summer, Texas is still Texas and funky weather seems everywhere now.

My theory is enjoy where you live and if you don't, then move. All good.

[ronricks]

My neighbors just moved here from California. When I asked them why they left they said:

High Taxes/Cost of living
Corrupt/Incompetent leadership
High Crime
Homeless crisis

They hated to leave but said they were left with no choice.

[macrowatch]

Soon will be less crowded and back to paradise status! Like a return of 5711 to gray price of 40k. Is that really a bad thing?

[Mifune]

as the tax base shrinks, they are going to be in a world of hurt. unfortunately the governor will already be gone.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by Mifune

as the tax base shrinks, they are going to be in a world of hurt. unfortunately the governor will already be gone.

God help us all if because he’s in higher office.

[Cazador60]

We would have left the state but our kids are in college here and who knows where they will end up professionally afterwards. Once Kids finish school, we are gone. My once beautiful state has so deteriorated that I cant defend it any longe: $6-7 dollar gas, crime, taxes, homelessness, congestion, young professionals cant but a house. Sad and despicable.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Too bad there's no representation in government for these squeezed people

Maybe that’s why nobody wants to work anymore? Easier to be a bum

[pickettt]

I live in a middle class California neighborhood. Taxes are a bitch, no doubt about that, but thankfully I can handle it. I’ve not experienced any horrible rashes of crime, nor extensive homelessness. I know where to find those things if I go looking for them, but it’s not rampant on every corner. I know it’s purely anecdotal, but that’s my experience.

[77T]

Originally Posted by ronricks

My neighbors just moved here from California. When I asked them why they left they said:

High Taxes/Cost of living
Corrupt/Incompetent leadership
High Crime
Homeless crisis

They hated to leave but said they were left with no choice.

I think they perfectly described Californication Entropy.

That is, the influx of Californians into various other States due to their own State’s gradual decline into disorder.

I don’t deride other folks hometowns, States of residence, or situations because we can all lament the general demise of public responsibility.

Ebb and Flow - California has so much natural beauty and a wealth of resources. People who leave troubled urban/suburban areas could choose majestic mountains, uncluttered Oceanside towns or small farm communities if they wished.


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[Al1969]

Originally Posted by ronricks

My neighbors just moved here from California. When I asked them why they left they said:

High Taxes/Cost of living
Corrupt/Incompetent leadership
High Crime
Homeless crisis

They hated to leave but said they were left with no choice.

I’m sure you can add immigration ‘issues’ that strain the state’s resources.

[austinp]

One byproduct of a shrinking population is losing Congressional seats. California and New York are among 7 states losing seats while Florida, Texas and a couple others are gaining seats. Texas gains 2 seats in 2022.


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[JParm]

Originally Posted by austinp

One byproduct of a shrinking population is losing Congressional seats. California and New York are among 7 states losing seats while Florida, Texas and a couple others are gaining seats. Texas gains 2 seats in 2022.


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That is a great point.

[RyanJ]

I moved from beautiful Southern California to a state with low cost of living, no state income taxes, etc and regret it every single day now.

I absolutely loved CA. Beautiful weather, never experienced crime, corruption, homelessness, etc. None of that impacted me. I am sure it is there but I lived a great life.

I moved to be closer to family which is nice but... I sit here in a very low cost of living area. Great... So I have 12-15% more monthly income and my house costs 1/3rd of what I would have spent in CA. Just like in CA, most of my free money goes into after tax investments anyway. So now I just have more money to put into investments.

As a single individual what good is more money when I cannot enjoy it? I will probably be moving back within the next year, buying a house, and start enjoying life again.

I know people love hating on CA but, as far as I am concerned, if you can afford to live there; there is no better place than coastal Southern California. This coming from a single (divorced) male pov.

[DocHorton]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

Great... So I have 12-15% more monthly income and my house costs 1/3rd of what I would have spent in CA. Just like in CA, most of my free money goes into after tax investments anyway. So now I just have more money to put into investments.

As a single individual what good is more money when I cannot enjoy it?

Why don't you enjoy it? Travel more, eat at nice restaurants, give to those less fortunate, take more frequent vacations, buy a sports car, retire younger, etc.

I can think of a lot of ways to enjoy more money....

[BLACKHORSE 6]

Being located in a state where people are moving into, it’s crazy to see all the transplants.

[Booth9999]

California in a big state fellas, not everyone here lives in LA or SF. Shit is tough every where, but California has some great safe places once you get out of the city. Don’t drink the cool-aid, the ones who left were the ones who couldn’t make it here and will never be able to afford to move back. Taxes are higher yes but so are the wages so I think it tends to balance out.

[Blansky]

An opinion in todays paper....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/op-ed-cal...100233743.html



https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/it...ing-texas-true

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by BLACKHORSE 6

Being located in a state where people are moving into, it’s crazy to see all the transplants.

Here too. For the most part, they aren't exactly the type of folks who seem like they would fit in all that well in CA/NY/etc. anyways. Would be interesting to see the demographics of those who are leaving. Just about all of those who are coming here are coming from the big cities and working remotely. Made a few new friends.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by HHIslander

Here too. For the most part, they aren't exactly the type of folks who seem like they would fit in all that well in CA/NY/etc. anyways. Would be interesting to see the demographics of those who are leaving. Just about all of those who are coming here are coming from the big cities and working remotely. Made a few new friends.

Perhaps look inward.

Maybe you have a skewed view of what people in California are like.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

I moved from beautiful Southern California to a state with low cost of living, no state income taxes, etc and regret it every single day now.

I absolutely loved CA. Beautiful weather, never experienced crime, corruption, homelessness, etc. None of that impacted me. I am sure it is there but I lived a great life.

I moved to be closer to family which is nice but... I sit here in a very low cost of living area. Great... So I have 12-15% more monthly income and my house costs 1/3rd of what I would have spent in CA. Just like in CA, most of my free money goes into after tax investments anyway. So now I just have more money to put into investments.

As a single individual what good is more money when I cannot enjoy it? I will probably be moving back within the next year, buying a house, and start enjoying life again.

I know people love hating on CA but, as far as I am concerned, if you can afford to live there; there is no better place than coastal Southern California. This coming from a single (divorced) male pov.

Originally Posted by DocHorton

Why don't you enjoy it? Travel more, eat at nice restaurants, give to those less fortunate, take more frequent vacations, buy a sports car, retire younger, etc.

I can think of a lot of ways to enjoy more money....

Ryan, send the good Doc and I your money … we will show you how to spend it

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Perhaps look inward.

Maybe you have a skewed view of what people in California are like.

I am looking strictly at the majority demographic data of the big cities they are coming from and these folks who are moving here do not fit that demographic.

[JoeJoeBobo]

Originally Posted by Blansky

Perhaps look inward.

Maybe you have a skewed view of what people in California are like.

Maybe you should and do as well!

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBobo

Maybe you should and do as well!

Well comparing San Francisco to LA and LA to Orange County and LA to San Diego and Wine Country to San Diego and Fresno to San Francisco and Bakersfield to Mountainview and Redding to Sacramento and Lake Tahoe to Palm Springs and Modesto to Berkeley and Chico to Malibu and Palo Alto to Carmel etc etc......you'd find vastly different people, different viewpoints different lifestyles, different races, different income level and ideas.

So unless you've visited or lived in these extremely varied places you'd have a difficult time saying that people from California are this or that. So whatever blather you hear on the evening news cast you would not get a very good picture of the largest population in the country. San Francisco has a population of less that 900,000 and LA depending where you draw the boundaries has 12 millionish and California has a population of 39 million.