Incoming 5513

[Dan S]

In my experience, it is common for the auto-winding mechanism to need repairs, often including replacement parts. Especially for low-jeweled variants. As mentioned above, it's quite likely that the rotor is rubbing against a bridge and/or case-back.

[mountainjogger]

Great looking watch.

[visualplane]

I'm not sure if I should send it back to the dealer, who knows how long it would take. It took 2 weeks for a bracelet (he said he was going on vacation for a week). He said his watch guy can look at it expedited for a 3-4 days. I don't think he should have told me it's not a big deal with the sound. Also if it was just serviced, why would it be making sounds already.

[visualplane]

Pics of the movement

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by visualplane

Pics of the movement

whats going on with the inside of that caseback?

the "rubbing" noise could be the rotor hitting the inside of the caseback.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by visualplane

Pics of the movement

What on earth produced that channel along the inner circumference on the case back? I can’t imagine that’s simply from having it rubbed against by the movement. Or….possibly?

[visualplane]

I'm concerned now.

[CTech]

There are two concentric circles of wear on the inside of the case back where the high point and the outer edge of rotor has been contacting it, possibly for quite a long time.

If these are photos from when the watch was available for purchase then it is very important to get the case back off now and determine what is going on.

A competent watchmaker would have addressed this at service and it is possible that the cause of the wear has been rectified and so the rotor is just touching one of the remaining high spots in the wear pattern in the case back.

It is also possible that none of this has been addressed and the rotor is still loose in some way.

What is causing the noise now is important as it will determine how you proceed with the watch:

If the rotor axle, bearing, fasteners and gears are OK and the problem is just some high spots in the case back then it is a relatively minor issue and can be resolved by a bit of local polishing.

If there is still a major problem with the rotor system then it indicates that the latest service wasn't completed diligently and you might want to return the watch to the vendor with some harsh words about misrepresentation, etc.

Whatever the reason or outcome, it is difficult to understand how a watchmaker could let a watch go out after service in that condition or how a dealer could try to sell a watch with such obvious damage to the case back. It all looks very sloppy and so it would make me wonder what else has been neglected or what else have they done to try and conceal problems.

A thorough inspection by a good quality watchmaker might be required to get to the bottom of this.

[Dan S]

That is pretty extreme rotor rub inside the case-back. And given the fact that you are hearing noises, it doesn't seem like the underlying issue was addressed when it was serviced. This is not necessarily a dealbreaker, it can be repaired. But it should be addressed IMO.

[mintboy]

Great Taste!!

[Zeus6542]

Originally Posted by visualplane

Bracelet will arrive in about a week, but love my new vintage sub

Beautiful. Well played!

I'm in the market for a nice vintage sub (5513, 5512, 1680) and looking at some of the examples on Bobs. It's an interesting market to jump into, full of details, not unlike the vintage guitar market of which I'm more familiar with.

How did you arrive at choosing your 5513? It looks in beautiful shape.

Thanks,

JP

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Zeus6542

It's an interesting market to jump into, full of details, not unlike the vintage guitar market of which I'm more familiar with.

It’s a good comparison. But as someone who’s been knee-deep in the vintage guitar market for forty years, and the vintage watch market for ten, I can assure you navigating old guitars is much much easier and way less dangerous!

…and cheaper!

[NickD1975]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

It’s a good comparison. But as someone who’s been knee-deep in the vintage guitar market for forty years, and the vintage watch market for ten, I can assure you navigating old guitars is much much easier and way less dangerous!

…and cheaper!

Agreed, at least until you get to the hugely expensive stuff - of the 1500 Bursts made, there are only 2000 left.

[visualplane]

Originally Posted by Zeus6542

Beautiful. Well played!

I'm in the market for a nice vintage sub (5513, 5512, 1680) and looking at some of the examples on Bobs. It's an interesting market to jump into, full of details, not unlike the vintage guitar market of which I'm more familiar with.

How did you arrive at choosing your 5513? It looks in beautiful shape.

Thanks,

JP

My first rolex was a 14060 but I really liked the hour markers on the 5513 without the white gold ring. I just love vintage watches more as they seem to have more character.

[TimeLord2]

That is a very strange channel in the case back to say the very least. However, I do not see any comparable damage to the rotor where it would come in contact with the case back from new rubbing or in the past. I do see some rotor tracks on the movement parts under the rotor, where the edge has scraped the finish in another circular pattern. One can only assume the original rotor was replaced and a minimum was done to service the watch. i will assume there are still a few parts that should be replaced to address the squeaking noise. Looks beautiful on the outside, which is where it counts, given the movement is original as well as the case back.

Edit: Hard to tell if the the rivets in the rotor are rubbing given the pics are a little blurry.

[TuRo]

Squeak or ratcheting whirring noise? - squeak is very odd as overs have said. Only squeak I can recall was a very noisy new crown and tube that you could hear about 2 tables away when winding....but not a calibre/mvt.

[CTech]

We don't know whether the case back is original to the watch or if it was a spare that was lying about in a jeweler's drawer after being removed from another watch.

If it was original to the watch, with the amount of damage to the case back, the original rotor rivets would have also shown a lot of wear, so it is clear that the rotor has been replaced.

The questions now are whether the rest of the work to rectify why the rotor was so loose was carried out properly or whether there are still some issues that need to be addressed.

If the case back is not original to the watch then my questions would be to find out why this obviously damaged part was used, and then I would be wondering if this is a watch that has been assembled from parts for sale.

[ladd]

Congrats

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by ladd

Congrats

? Not really reading the room

[rpg1976]

Love it! Congratulations!

[TuRo]

Some proper fans, of a good old squeak or two, here it seems :-)

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Some proper fans, of a good old squeak or two, here it seems :-)

Nothing like reading the first post and then ignoring, literally, every one following it.

[visualplane]

lol

[visualplane]

I had my watch maker look at it and he said it's fine. Not to mess with it.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by visualplane

I had my watch maker look at it and he said it's fine. Not to mess with it.

Wait, so it’s no longer making noises?

[visualplane]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Wait, so it’s no longer making noises?

I was shaking my speedmaster that was just serviced by omega and it was making noises.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by CTech

We don't know whether the case back is original to the watch or if it was a spare that was lying about in a jeweler's drawer after being removed from another watch.

If it was original to the watch, with the amount of damage to the case back, the original rotor rivets would have also shown a lot of wear, so it is clear that the rotor has been replaced.

The questions now are whether the rest of the work to rectify why the rotor was so loose was carried out properly or whether there are still some issues that need to be addressed.

If the case back is not original to the watch then my questions would be to find out why this obviously damaged part was used, and then I would be wondering if this is a watch that has been assembled from parts for sale.

Could be this or the movement has been replaced?