For Discussion - Box? Clasp?

[TimeToGo]

gtdad( 1544)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-mans18k-St...lenotsupported

[idk01]

Is that a D12 I see?

[TimeToGo]

Yes, sir. I believe the D12s are to be jubilee but the pillow/box/accessories look suspicious as well...

I think Stan may need to chime on this one!

[springer]

The watch, box and clasp are fakes. The markers on the watch are incorrect, the box is the typical cloth, non-suede liner, and the clasp marking and clasp coronet are of the typical fake variety.

[blaine mattison]

the watch is good except for the fact it has been converted to
a tu-tone. the question is, are all the parts to convert>>>>>>
ROLEX

the band, with the right marks, in the RIGHT place, with a reverse stamp
hmmm!

i believe as it has shown to me, the x-mas band was part of the
EVOLVING process >>>>>>>hmmmmmmm, i have faith in the bandman
that he is showning the early ways of the mother ship (ME)

the box real or not, IMO, just gets in the WAYYYYYYYY

as i have seen, times has changed, once upon a time tu-tone ruled
it was the quickest to find one >>>>>>>>CONVERT!!!!!!!!!!

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by blaine mattison

the watch is good except for the fact it has been converted to
a tu-tone. the question is, are all the parts to convert>>>>>>
ROLEX

the band, with the right marks, in the RIGHT place, with a reverse stamp
hmmm!

i believe as it has shown to me, the x-mas band was part of the
EVOLVING process >>>>>>>hmmmmmmm, i have faith in the bandman
that he is showning the early ways of the mother ship (ME)

the box real or not, IMO, just gets in the WAYYYYYYYY

as i have seen, times has changed, once upon a time tu-tone ruled
it was the quickest to find one >>>>>>>>CONVERT!!!!!!!!!!

A lot of words to get to the same happy ending..... TO THE CAN!!!!!

[TimeToGo]

Thanks, Springer!

Still thar!

[blaine mattison]

fake?????? please!!!!!!!!! i guess then i can say i see fakes everyday!

aftermarket dials, bezels, and crystals i see atleast 5 times a week

would this watch be fake 16013 dj w/ a 78360 oyster w/ 501 ends
sounds like a personal change

would a 69173 w/ a non-rolex diamond dial would it be fake?
something personal

would a 15000 w/(ASSUME) a 15203 bezel and crown would it be fake?

would a 16030 w/ a 7 mil ser# w/ a sapphire crystal would it be fake?

tell me

the seller is starting the bid @ 1500.usd 3035 movement is worth 1100
the case, crystal and crown 200-250 and 140-160 for the gold
in the band the dial 50 and the gold bezel 75. with no value put
the end pieces and clasp

no i don't know the seller and don't own the watch

to many words>>>>>>>> NOT!!

[TimeToGo]

Still there!

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by blaine mattison

fake?????? please!!!!!!!!! i guess then i can say i see fakes everyday!

aftermarket dials, bezels, and crystals i see atleast 5 times a week

would this watch be fake 16013 dj w/ a 78360 oyster w/ 501 ends
sounds like a personal change

would a 69173 w/ a non-rolex diamond dial would it be fake?
something personal

would a 15000 w/(ASSUME) a 15203 bezel and crown would it be fake?

would a 16030 w/ a 7 mil ser# w/ a sapphire crystal would it be fake?

tell me

the seller is starting the bid @ 1500.usd 3035 movement is worth 1100
the case, crystal and crown 200-250 and 140-160 for the gold
in the band the dial 50 and the gold bezel 75. with no value put
the end pieces and clasp

no i don't know the seller and don't own the watch

to many words>>>>>>>> NOT!!

Yes, sorry Blaine but the result is the same..... It's a fake band.

A nudge to the can is in order.

Do YOU think differently????

[idk01]

EnterTheCanMan!

[blaine mattison]

as in a previous post (jubilee bracelet on the bay) the forum corrected
me on that anomaly. and since it happened once i figured this may
also be another (anomaly).

so i reserve my view point, and ask the bandman (TUDORMAN) to
post in and share his knowledge on the clasp.

i say this because, the forum will routinely call on him to share
his knowledge.

not to say others don't know, but he often referred to on band issues

[idk01]

Originally Posted by blaine mattison

as in a previous post (jubilee bracelet on the bay) the forum corrected
me on that anomaly. and since it happened once i figured this may
also be another (anomaly).

so i reserve my view point, and ask the bandman (TUDORMAN) to
post in and share his knowledge on the clasp.

i say this because, the forum will routinely call on him to share
his knowledge.

not to say others don't know, but he often referred to on band issues

Absolutely Blaine, I think there's many months of research ahead for us as there are so many variants and between Stan and Springer they have all bases covered, I've cone across so many clasps that look like fungus and ended up to be a very small release from years ago, either Stan or Springer have jumped in with examples of these being absolutely legit and only release for a few months back in the 50's and 60's

It would be so hard to collate all this info, and I know fine books by Jeff Hess and the guys are brilliant reference, but to pop into note forms all the releases from the start would make an almanac of many thousands of pages, thankfully we made the move to join TRF where the info is only a post and question away.

I could not count in words, pictures or written info how much I knowledge I have gained since I joined early January this year, the best part is everyone's involvement, every comment, every bit of info, sometimes can be info overload but makes this place work like a fine movement :-)

I'm not able to drink too much in the alcohol department these days, but I raise my coffee to the effort and info all have contributed to this great forum!!!!!

To all and heartfelt Thanks and keep up the awesome work!!!!

Dave.

[idk01]

This one is gone.

This listing (250476659007) has been removed or is no longer available.

[blaine mattison]

it just dawned on me that idk01, is tracking 15k post on a YEAR!!!!!!!

son, (SOUTHERN TERM) that's

i don't know the record, but you MUST be on track for it!!!!!!

x's 2

for the record i would of bought that watch for parts if it
where a TAD cheaper!!

[springer]

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