I May Have Been Scammed Right Here On TRF

[Pep04]

Not sure if you have this info or if it is of any help. But here it is anyways:

Tax Map Number:
Owner:
Address 1:
Address 2:
Address 3
City/State/Zip:
Property Location/Code:
Tax Information
Year:
Property Tax Relief:
Local Option Sales
Tax Credit:
Tax Amount:
Paid:
Homestead:
Assessed:
Assessment Information
Year Of Assessment: Legal Residence:
Tax District: Sewer Connection:
Acreage Of Parcel: Water Connection:
Non-Agriculture Value: Agriculture Value:
Building Value: Improvements:
Taxable Value:
Zoning:
Property Information
Legal Description:

Land Type:
Sales History
Current Owner Name Sale Date Vacant or Improved Deed Book/Page Sale Price
HAYES CURTIS A 07/01/2005 I R1070/ 534 $144,900.00
BRANHAM WILLIAM B & MEREDITH G 12/21/2001 I R0605/ 2736 $120,500.00
FOWKE JAY H & MICHELLE K 04/26/2000 R0403/ 2555 $0.00
C & C BUILDERS INC 08/18/1999 V R0337/ 96 $40,000.00
HIGHLANDS DEVELOPMENT LTD PTR 02/20/1996 D1302/ 636 $0.00

Structure Information
Building Number Year Structure Was Assessed Building Description Actual Year Built Number Of Bathrooms Number Of Bedrooms Total Number Of Stories Heated Square Footage Total Square Footage
1 2009 SGL FAM - WALL GROUP 3 2000 0.00 0 0.0 1695 2143

Structure Details
Structure Type Structure Description Building Number
Building Element AC TYPE...HEAT PUMP 1
Building Element ALARM/SMOKE...ALARM/SMOKE 1
Building Element ARCHITECTURAL STYLE...CONVENTIONAL 1
Building Element BUILDING SHAPE...L 1
Building Element DISHWASHER...DISHWASHER 1
Building Element DISPOSAL...DISPOSAL 1
Building Element ELECTRICAL...AVERAGE 1
Building Element EXTERIOR WALL 1...ALUMINUM OR VINYL 1
Building Element FOUNDATION...PIERS 1
Building Element HEAT TYPE/FUEL...FORCED AIR DUC/GAS 1
Building Element INSULATION...AVERAGE 1
Building Element INTERIOR FLOOR 1...CARPET 1
Building Element INTERIOR FLOOR 2...HARDWOOD 1
Building Element INTERIOR WALL 1...3-PLASTER/DRYWALL 1
Building Element OVEN/RANGE...OVEN/RANGE 1
Building Element ROOF COVER...ASPHALT SHINGLE 1
Building Element ROOF STRUCTURE...GABLE OR HIP 1
Building Element STRUCTURAL FRAME...WOOD FRAME 1
Misc Improvement FIREPLACE-1 STY SGL/COMMERCIAL 1



And can't seem to find arrest records for Andrew or Curtis.

[Evergreen]

Sorry to hear about the loss. I will keep an eye out on the watch forums, and other sales sites for your watches.



Its easy to tell what " TheRolex88 " was up to with his post history. All his post were in one day within a few minutes of one another. Most contained phrases like " nice watch ". He filled his post requirements in 1 day until he was able to open a for sale thread. As its been said many times before," buy the seller, then the watch "

As much as I dislike paypal, I find it offers some protection with online transactions. Wire transfers / cashiers checks/ western union are risky with unknown sellers.

[StreetGlide]

Reverse address lookup reveals;

Curtis A Hayes
404 Waterville Dr
Columbia, SC 29229-8131

[bodybump]

Joey don't loose hope..our forum is very tight that people almost know everybody...we are with you all the way..the best way to start is through the police and to the bank..don't engage to anything by yourself..this guy might not be operating by himself..a lot of law enforcement officers are members here and willing to help you..we cannot allow this to happened again in our forum..

[newmedia]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I didn't think the price of $12,000 was out of line, given the number of similarly priced 16618 watches on ebay.

correct and as long as you used paypal guide lines for buyer protection, you would have been protected on your purchase.

ebay is gear towards buyers when something goes wrong.

[onkyo]

Joey,

I am very sorry this happened to you... you do not deserve it.

For everyone reading this, ONLY buy from known/referenced sellers. Paying a little more for piece of mind is worth it!!

Now, Joey go to every watch website and post pics and serials of the watches, including watchnet, timezone, watchuseek, etc. And file all the reports needed to make sure this pos does not get away with it.

Someone must live close to his address... a friendly visit is in order. Or once his work/family address is found a visit there is needed.

Good luck Joey!!!

[ocwatching]

Joey, I am surprised that I missed this thread...just wanted to drop a note of support...
I sure hope you recover what's lost...
good luck and try to make the best of these holiday season

Phil

[unclesallie]

the use of the 'mails' (which includes overnight couriers) in furtherance of a scheme to defraud is a federal offense, and I strongly disagree that it is simply civil fraud. I think a call to the local U.S. Attorney's Office is first order of business. Don't wait, that is a big mistake. The longer you wait the less likely the watches will be recovered.

Here is the fill-in form for a complaint to the U.S. Postal Inspections Service:

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/f...Complaint.aspx

do it now(please).......and sorry this has happened to you.

[Rob_b]

I have a feeling the scumbag will be reading this

Have you ever heard of 'six degrees of separation'

Well, a lot of people read this Forum. A lot of these people are watch enthusiasts, some will work in legal and law for sure. Usually these enthusiasts are members of other Watch Forums that are now aware of this scam.

To the scumbag, keep a look over your shoulder, you now never know just how far the law will be behind you. To think any other way would be delusional. No club, clan or gang can protect you, not forever, no how.

Get A job

[DarrenF]

I'm sorry to read about this on my first time on the forum. I've bought stuff off eBay for at least ten years. I've been lucky. I really don't like using Paypal. I try to pay via US postal money orders. You really don't want to mess with postal inspectors.

I've had a couple of times when sellers got a bit uncommunicative after receiving payment. It worked out. Hopefully the guy you sent your watches and money to has had something develop that's delayed his response.

I suggest looking for a phone number at an address close to the one FedEx delivered to. I've called neighbors in the past to get info and even unlisted phone numbers. They might have noticed something strange and might have a description of a vehicle. Hopefully LE will talk to people in the area. My guess is if it's a big area LE may have higher priorities.

Consider filing a stolen property report with your local LE. They can get the serial numbers put into the national database that lists stolen property. Once that happens you'll have a better chance of getting your watches recovered.

Good luck.

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by Pep04

This should serve to prove how important the trusted sellers here are. I wouldn't buy from anyone unless the majority of the people here either know or have dealt with before. You know who I am referring to.... DavidSW, Mosco, BodyBump to name a few.

I myself am trying to sell one of my watches. I expect to not be trusted as I have never sold anything on line ever. Not here, not ebay or even craigslist.... nowhere. But I offer a face to face to make someone feel more comfortable. I will even take Pay Pal.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the original seller didn't offer a face to face or show the original paper work (for which he got in trouble), or even accepted Pay Pal, I mean this dude only wanted a wire transfer. Everything about this guy was suspect.

I may be making the sale of my watch harder on myself, but I just wanted to express my concerns on buying anything of value on the internet, no matter how trusted the web site is. And besides, I have nothing to hide and am open to full disclosure.

I'm in the same situation here , for the first time I post a watch for sale here and given it is even one of the most emblematic SS models with it , so after all this I doubt very much anybody will want to touch it . Anyway it is priced for the european market and I will only accept a face to face transaction at a Rolex AD . Shame this has to happen here at TRF , but I do think that we must not assume that because we have people like David , Greg and many others that all other people here are as honest . We don't trust Ebay but it is easier to join and post a 10.000 usd watch here with intent to defraud then on Ebay . Lets not confuse things .
Let's look at what makes a low life do such a thing : He is either a seasoned con man and he will be caught one day if not for this for another matter , he may also be someone that resorted to this given the opportunity or he is in such dire straights like many are in these times . He may lose his house , wants to give the children the usual Xmas present etc. There may be a variety of reasons , however none can justify such an act . We would have to assume that this person is only interested in cash and not the watches themselves . He will therefor seek to lay them off fast , I would contact as many pawnshops and high end watch dealers in his area .

[Cocobaci]

So sad to see people around this period of year being this immoral and selfish.

I am currently still going through my situation with a business via my credit card issuer and bank. I would never pay cash for a watch, only ever buy with a trace. i.e credit cards...

Hope this gets sorted out asap.

Furthermore, please be very aware this dickless piece of shit more than likely will be on here reading all the information and the more that is visible the more he/she will make more reasons to run further away etc.

If you find them, be sure to prosecute!

Makes me very upset to see people and the way they are in this world. Is it me or does it seem the world has gone to crap over the last 7 years or so... Incidently, I was thinking of purchasing this watch... I held back after seeing admin post in his/her thread about cert.

[Czechman]

We had something similar happen over on the NikonCafe.com forum and they raised the minimum post requirement to sell up to 300!

Really sorry to see this happen but man I gotta' say the red flags were out on this one... I hope everyone is taking notes, but more than anything I hope justice prevails and Joey gets his money and watches back. $12k is a felony so this guy is either stupid/desperate or a pro... let's hope the former.

[Mosco]

Originally Posted by Rob_b

I have a feeling the scumbag will be reading this

Have you ever heard of 'six degrees of separation'

Well, a lot of people read this Forum. A lot of these people are watch enthusiasts, some will work in legal and law for sure. Usually these enthusiasts are members of other Watch Forums that are now aware of this scam.

To the scumbag, keep a look over your shoulder, you now never know just how far the law will be behind you. To think any other way would be delusional. No club, clan or gang can protect you, not forever, no how.

Get A job

He'll be lucky if it is the law behind him. Not so lucky if it is one of our own, I assure him.

[joeychitwood]

I and the police know his name, address, phone number, IP address, employer, how much he paid for his house, house much property tax he paid and many other facts. I'm anxiously waiting for more information from the police today, but in the meantime, I have to work in the ER. A holiday and snowstorm will combine to produce an extremely busy day, which will help keep my thoughts off of Curtis Andres Hayes.

[dmc]

Please keep us informed as to how things are going. I for one and I'm sure that others on TRF, truly hope and pray that you will get your property and your money back. (Soon!!!!!!!)

We are all anxious to hear that this scum is punished for this behavior, and makes restitutions.

[joeychitwood]

Complaint filed with the FBI at the Internet Crime Complaint Center.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I and the police know his name, address, phone number, IP address, employer, how much he paid for his house, house much property tax he paid and many other facts. I'm anxiously waiting for more information from the police today, but in the meantime, I have to work in the ER. A holiday and snowstorm will combine to produce an extremely busy day, which will help keep my thoughts off of Curtis Andres Hayes.

Way to go Doc....This guy has no idea what a shitstorm is coming his way. I hope he spends the holidays in lock-up!

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I and the police know his name, address, phone number, IP address, employer, how much he paid for his house, house much property tax he paid and many other facts. I'm anxiously waiting for more information from the police today, but in the meantime, I have to work in the ER. A holiday and snowstorm will combine to produce an extremely busy day, which will help keep my thoughts off of Curtis Andres Hayes.

Try to have a Merry Christmas!

[diversified]

Joe, there isn't much more then can be said, so I second what Dave said above, whats left of the holiday season, have a good holiday.

[joeychitwood]

Received a call from the detective this AM. He has been in touch with Andrew Hayes! Progress is being made. I'll keep you informed. If and when this all works out, and even if it doesn't, I'll write a nice little article on what do to if something like this happens. I've learned a lot in the past two days.

[dmc]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Received a call from the detective this AM. He has been in touch with Andrew Hayes! Progress is being made. I'll keep you informed. If and when this all works out, and even if it doesn't, I'll write a nice little article on what do to if something like this happens. I've learned a lot in the past two days.

Thanks Joey, its good to hear that Leo's are making some progress.

As before, I pray for quick and complete recovery of your property and $$$$.

Merry Christmas

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Received a call from the detective this AM. He has been in touch with Andrew Hayes! Progress is being made. I'll keep you informed. If and when this all works out, and even if it doesn't, I'll write a nice little article on what do to if something like this happens. I've learned a lot in the past two days.

I hope this all turns out to be a misunderstanding and everything will be fine. I wish the very best for you and again Merry Christmas to you.

[wulu]

I hate scumbag scammers!
Hope it works out for you!

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Received a call from the detective this AM. He has been in touch with Andrew Hayes! Progress is being made. I'll keep you informed. If and when this all works out, and even if it doesn't, I'll write a nice little article on what do to if something like this happens. I've learned a lot in the past two days.

Glad to hear they are on top on that pos low life.

[ocwatching]

glad to hear that the law enforcement has found this creep...
good luck going forward..hope you get some good news this Xmas Eve...

[bodybump]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Received a call from the detective this AM. He has been in touch with Andrew Hayes! Progress is being made. I'll keep you informed. If and when this all works out, and even if it doesn't, I'll write a nice little article on what do to if something like this happens. I've learned a lot in the past two days.

we are all here with you JOEY!!!! he is going to have a very bad Christmas!!!!!

[bodybump]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Way to go Doc....This guy has no idea what a shitstorm is coming his way. I hope he spends the holidays in lock-up!

[B Square]

Now that LEO has contacted him I have a good feeling your Christmas will be a lot better. We are all pulling for you and here to help anyway we can. Merry Christmas Doc
Boyd

[clew84]

Good for you - glad you took action! Hopefully he has this "bait" Rolex and will complete the deal finally.