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Safetrends · 24 January 2010, 03:52 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...item2558744e94

tudorman8276 · 24 January 2010, 04:05 AM

...this watch looks good.

...just WELL USED/WORN...like "JJ"s head....

TimeToGo · 24 January 2010, 04:23 AM

Quite a story and Q&A. SUSPECT...

Question & Answer Answered On

Q: Hi. Have you verified AUTHENTICITY with either an authorized Rolex dealer or an authorized Rolex repairman?? Thanks, SE. Jan-23-10
A: they are kind of rare in Vermont. And I call one up in montreal and the guy wanted close to a 1000.00. The lady's husband did not really want did not want to talk about it too much. Give me hints of what to look for if you know and I will be happy to take pictures if I can of what you are asking. I am sorry, I'm in the car business. That is why I am selling this watch with no reserve. It does not really have any value to me.

This watch was fund in a lock glove box compartment of a salvage 996 porsche. I did try to contact the owner of the car after I purchase the car, but the person seem to have died in the car accident and his wife could not tell me anything about the watch. I don't even think she new what I was talking about.

Lets come back to the watch. I cannot change the time on it because the crown seems jam. The watch would need a nice polish jobs.

I want to a dealer and the wanted to charge me 650 for polishing and 1200.00 for repair. I would not spend 50.00 on a watch even less 1850.00 on repairing one.
The dealer also told me the watch was about 5 to 7 years old

I will try to post better pictures from another camera since I am having problems doing closeup with mine. If you have any questions email me.

tudorman8276 · 24 January 2010, 04:27 AM

...he seems up front.

...I have now also asked him to go to a jeweler and remove the band etc.

...here is my SECOND question:

Dear the_xporter,

Hi again...

...okay, take the watch to ANY jeweler. Have them REMOVE the band from the watch.

...on one end BETWEEN the lugs there will be wording and a number. On the OTHER end and BETWEEN the lugs there will also be wording and a number.

...take, up close, IN-FOCUS photo's and add them to your listing to support the sale.

...it will literally take the jeweler but 2 minutes to remove the band from the watch for you to write down the info and take a couple pic's.

...if genuine, you have a watch that should bring between $3500-$5000, in the condition it is in.

...I would be interested in knowing what you determine after you do this.

Sincerely, SE.

ParisDakarBmw · 24 January 2010, 04:32 AM

It must have ben a hell of a wreck! It ended up in the glove box.... Why didn't the wife get her deceased husbands jewelry back? This guy could melt the gold on it (for more than $1.00)

The watch itself needs some TLC. I'm not a pro at spotting fakes, but this looks to be real to me. I'd like to see the movement.

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

It must have ben a hell of a wreck! It ended up in the glove box.... Why didn't the wife get her deceased husbands jewelry back? This guy could melt the gold on it (for more than $1.00)

The watch itself needs some TLC. I'm not a pro at spotting fakes, but this looks to be real to me. I'd like to see the movement.

Melt the gold?

WTF?

CoopJr · 24 January 2010, 05:36 AM

Well if it's real, then it's stolen goods.

I say that the SEL are too ill fitting for the watch to be real. And I hope that people who choose to wear this Chinese garbage realize that the fake gold next to their skin is loaded with lead.

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Well if it's real, then it's stolen goods.

How can you make that comment? Do you know for sure?

TimeToGo · 24 January 2010, 06:54 AM

Open "6"....."Swiss Made" is not centered...

Safetrends · 24 January 2010, 07:47 AM

Puzzle watch

CoopJr · 24 January 2010, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko

How can you make that comment? Do you know for sure?

No I guess not. It would depend on salvage laws in that state. Is the salvage yard entitled to keep anything left in the car would be the question.

But his comment was:
"This watch was fund in a lock glove box compartment of a salvage 996 porsche. I did try to contact the owner of the car after I purchase the car, but the person seem to have died in the car accident and his wife could not tell me anything about the watch. I don't even think she new what I was talking about."

Maybe the conversation went like this:
"Hello...this is the salvage yard. We found your deceased husbands Rolex in his car's glove box...do you want it back?"...."No, you keep it."...what bunch of

idk01 · 24 January 2010, 10:04 AM

Be interesting to see how this one pans out :-)

thesharkfactor · 24 January 2010, 10:16 AM

its defo a fake..

open 6 date font, bezel pearl, ill fitting insert sitting proud on the bezel- hence wear, crown is too big, end links attaching to the clasp are hollow- not solid, gold on the SEL runs out on the underside and you can clearly see the sides of the middle SEL are not gold, looking side on the crown sits too low in the case, brass showing through on the clasp..and much more! its bad..

bin it...

edit: to be 100% specific.. it's a watchmaker9 "2005 2 Tone Submariner 16613" (2nd bottom from the page)..

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

its defo a fake..

open 6 date font, bezel pearl, ill fitting insert sitting proud on the bezel- hence wear, crown is too big, end links attaching to the clasp are hollow- not solid, gold on the SEL runs out on the underside and you can clearly see the sides of the middle SEL are not gold, looking side on the crown sits too low in the case, brass showing through on the clasp..and much more! its bad..

bin it...

edit: to be 100% specific.. it's a watchmaker9 "2005 2 Tone Submariner 16613" (2nd bottom from the page)..

That one has a closed 6..

thesharkfactor · 24 January 2010, 10:21 AM

i know.. but its the same watch, incionsitent rep makers... look at the rear of the SEL in the 1st post. they are silver.. not gold!

MikeyTX · 24 January 2010, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

It must have ben a hell of a wreck! It ended up in the glove box.... Why didn't the wife get her deceased husbands jewelry back? This guy could melt the gold on it (for more than $1.00)

The watch itself needs some TLC. I'm not a pro at spotting fakes, but this looks to be real to me. I'd like to see the movement.

As an ex LEO, let me enlighten you to the dark side of A I. I've seen more theft of personal property during vehicle recovery than I'd care to discuss on an open forum. Ugly as it may seem, it happens.

whcrowder · 24 January 2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Open "6"....."Swiss Made" is not centered...

Here is a picture of a fake that I download from the internet. The date happens to be on 26 too with a "closed" 6. It would be interesting to known what the correct font would be for this watch....

thesharkfactor · 24 January 2010, 10:27 AM

rep makers put whatever is available into the watch.. i notice that one above, has a white date wheel instead of bronze..

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

rep makers put whatever is available into the watch.. i notice that one above, has a white date wheel instead of bronze..

OK, you sold me...Time to get rid of it!

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 10:31 AM

reported.

MikeyTX · 24 January 2010, 11:47 AM

"Does Barry Manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?" I'm not sure I'd even want to know what's in his wardrobe .......................................

Safetrends · 24 January 2010, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

Be interesting to see how this one pans out :-)

Dave, nice to see you and the TRF family having to think on this one, sometimes they are easy to spot and sometimes they are difficult to spot.

tudorman8276 · 24 January 2010, 02:52 PM

...still waiting for a reply about his trip to the jeweler.

...the sel band is consistent WITH the no-holes case.

...additionally, the buckle SOES HAVE a concave thumbnail recess.

MikeyTX · 24 January 2010, 04:29 PM

Listing is still up ..........................

bullatagate · 24 January 2010, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...still waiting for a reply about his trip to the jeweler.

...the sel band is consistent WITH the no-holes case.

...additionally, the buckle SOES HAVE a concave thumbnail recess.

Would SEL be consistant with open "6" though?

Nicko · 24 January 2010, 11:29 PM

Let's get this invalidated if it is indeed a fake!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...item2558744e94

idk01 · 24 January 2010, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullatagate

Would SEL be consistant with open "6" though?

Your right Mitch

Time to pop in an attempt for invalidation!

Nicko · 25 January 2010, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

Your right Mitch

Time to pop in an attempt for invalidation!

GONE!!!!

MikeyTX · 25 January 2010, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko

GONE!!!!

We took to long ............... Our bonus is in jeopardy.

idk01 · 25 January 2010, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyTX

We took to long ............... Our bonus is in jeopardy.

You guys get a bonus!!!, we don't

I'll have to have a chat with the boss and see about this

24 January 2010, 03:52 AM	#1
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	ROLEX SUBMARINER TWO 2 TONE MEN WATCH 18kt used http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...item2558744e94 Attached Images

24 January 2010, 04:05 AM	#2
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...unless I am missing something... ...this watch looks good. ...just WELL USED/WORN...like "JJ"s head....

24 January 2010, 04:27 AM	#4
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...I am STILL talking with this seller... ...he seems up front. ...I have now also asked him to go to a jeweler and remove the band etc. ...here is my SECOND question: Dear the_xporter, Hi again... ...okay, take the watch to ANY jeweler. Have them REMOVE the band from the watch. ...on one end BETWEEN the lugs there will be wording and a number. On the OTHER end and BETWEEN the lugs there will also be wording and a number. ...take, up close, IN-FOCUS photo's and add them to your listing to support the sale. ...it will literally take the jeweler but 2 minutes to remove the band from the watch for you to write down the info and take a couple pic's. ...if genuine, you have a watch that should bring between $3500-$5000, in the condition it is in. ...I would be interested in knowing what you determine after you do this. Sincerely, SE.

24 January 2010, 06:54 AM	#9
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	Open "6"....."Swiss Made" is not centered... Attached Images

24 January 2010, 10:04 AM	#12
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Be interesting to see how this one pans out :-) __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

24 January 2010, 04:23 AM	#3
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	Quite a story and Q&A. SUSPECT... Question & Answer Answered On Q: Hi. Have you verified AUTHENTICITY with either an authorized Rolex dealer or an authorized Rolex repairman?? Thanks, SE. Jan-23-10 A: they are kind of rare in Vermont. And I call one up in montreal and the guy wanted close to a 1000.00. The lady's husband did not really want did not want to talk about it too much. Give me hints of what to look for if you know and I will be happy to take pictures if I can of what you are asking. I am sorry, I'm in the car business. That is why I am selling this watch with no reserve. It does not really have any value to me. This watch was fund in a lock glove box compartment of a salvage 996 porsche. I did try to contact the owner of the car after I purchase the car, but the person seem to have died in the car accident and his wife could not tell me anything about the watch. I don't even think she new what I was talking about. Lets come back to the watch. I cannot change the time on it because the crown seems jam. The watch would need a nice polish jobs. I want to a dealer and the wanted to charge me 650 for polishing and 1200.00 for repair. I would not spend 50.00 on a watch even less 1850.00 on repairing one. The dealer also told me the watch was about 5 to 7 years old I will try to post better pictures from another camera since I am having problems doing closeup with mine. If you have any questions email me.

24 January 2010, 04:32 AM	#5
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	It must have ben a hell of a wreck! It ended up in the glove box.... Why didn't the wife get her deceased husbands jewelry back? This guy could melt the gold on it (for more than $1.00) The watch itself needs some TLC. I'm not a pro at spotting fakes, but this looks to be real to me. I'd like to see the movement.

24 January 2010, 05:36 AM	#7
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	Well if it's real, then it's stolen goods. I say that the SEL are too ill fitting for the watch to be real. And I hope that people who choose to wear this Chinese garbage realize that the fake gold next to their skin is loaded with lead.

24 January 2010, 07:47 AM	#10
Safetrends Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: David Walz Location: San Diego CA USA Watch: my hand. :) Posts: 9,156	Puzzle watch

24 January 2010, 10:16 AM	#13
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,643	its defo a fake.. open 6 date font, bezel pearl, ill fitting insert sitting proud on the bezel- hence wear, crown is too big, end links attaching to the clasp are hollow- not solid, gold on the SEL runs out on the underside and you can clearly see the sides of the middle SEL are not gold, looking side on the crown sits too low in the case, brass showing through on the clasp..and much more! its bad.. bin it... edit: to be 100% specific.. it's a watchmaker9 "2005 2 Tone Submariner 16613" (2nd bottom from the page)..

24 January 2010, 10:21 AM	#15
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,643	i know.. but its the same watch, incionsitent rep makers... look at the rear of the SEL in the 1st post. they are silver.. not gold!

24 January 2010, 10:27 AM	#18
thesharkfactor "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland Watch: GMT Posts: 3,643	rep makers put whatever is available into the watch.. i notice that one above, has a white date wheel instead of bronze..

24 January 2010, 10:31 AM	#20
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	reported.

24 January 2010, 11:47 AM	#21
MikeyTX "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: Skunk Hollow, TX Watch: Rolex 116613LN Sub Posts: 2,198	Intended Hijack ................. rofl "Does Barry Manilow know that you raid his wardrobe?" I'm not sure I'd even want to know what's in his wardrobe ....................................... __________________ JJ ........... Still missing you bro. May you enjoy the eternal peace the almighty has blessed you with.

24 January 2010, 02:52 PM	#23
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...yes...tuff one on this one, soooo far... ...still waiting for a reply about his trip to the jeweler. ...the sel band is consistent WITH the no-holes case. ...additionally, the buckle SOES HAVE a concave thumbnail recess.

24 January 2010, 04:29 PM	#24
MikeyTX "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: Skunk Hollow, TX Watch: Rolex 116613LN Sub Posts: 2,198	Listing is still up .......................... __________________ JJ ........... Still missing you bro. May you enjoy the eternal peace the almighty has blessed you with.

24 January 2010, 11:29 PM	#26
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Let's get this invalidated if it is indeed a fake! http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-SUBMARINER...item2558744e94

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