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Buena Hoja · 16 April 2010, 05:25 AM

Would this be considered a "fake" since it does not claim to be a Rolex, nor does it have any Rolex text on the dial?

JJ Irani · 16 April 2010, 05:26 AM

Gerardus · 16 April 2010, 05:26 AM

Omega_Precision · 16 April 2010, 05:28 AM

Homage piece.

Nothing wrong with it.

brandxbrand · 16 April 2010, 05:29 AM

surely that's just some basic photoshopping adjustments.

Tools · 16 April 2010, 05:29 AM

No........... it is not a fake until crosses trademark boundaries....

But, I think that homage/copies/ etc., are pretty cheezy........... Most really are there to give the buyer the feeling that he has a watch "similar" to the real deal, and therefore, just as good..

One thing I do notice on the movement is that they have painted the auto-wind wheel red to try and simulate a Rolex movement.......... It is still a far cry from that, but the only reason to do that is to deceive.........

I do suspect a photoshoppped fake here though.........

Omega_Precision · 16 April 2010, 05:33 AM

It is actually very nice...why?....because it looks like a GMTIIC...lol

Buena Hoja · 16 April 2010, 05:35 AM

Look at the clasp guys.......no photoshop there.
Same clasp as the GMT IIc, less the Rolex Crown.

Alan111 · 16 April 2010, 05:37 AM

No photoshop here. These are homage watches and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Similar to buying an Invicta, or an Alpha, or an RXW.

This watch posted though seems to have a crappy movement.

brandxbrand · 16 April 2010, 05:39 AM

i had always suspected that something was off with my LV

Omega_Precision · 16 April 2010, 05:43 AM

I wouldn't mind having one, if it existed, so I can do a long term test with. I have never warmed up to the maxi case and wearing one would be great, not just your 5 minutes in the AD.

It would help me decide on a new Sub or go vintage.

brandxbrand · 16 April 2010, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Buena Hoja

Look at the clasp guys.......no photoshop there.

I could photoshop that in my sleep!

chris russell · 16 April 2010, 05:52 AM

I also suspect the fake branding was photoshopped off. Why else deliberately make the movement look 'Rolex-esque'? The case is sorta halfway between the regular Sub dimensions and the maxi-case, so not too impressive on that level. Why does it exist?

Alan111 · 16 April 2010, 05:54 AM

can be easily obtained off of ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ceramic-Bezel-Su...item4aa03d6483

EDIT: I'm not sure if posting this link is allowed. If it's not, then I apologize.

bewithabob · 16 April 2010, 05:58 AM

Mockingbird · 16 April 2010, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buena Hoja

Look at the clasp guys.......no photoshop there.
Same clasp as the GMT IIc, less the Rolex Crown.

Stamp tool+3 minutes= No crown on clasp.

Omega_Precision · 16 April 2010, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris russell

I also suspect the fake branding was photoshopped off. Why else deliberately make the movement look 'Rolex-esque'? The case is sorta halfway between the regular Sub dimensions and the maxi-case, so not too impressive on that level. Why does it exist?

You must have a good eye....by looking at the pictures you can tell it's Chinese?

With all due respect to the Asian members, this could be a Grade A Swiss counterfeit.

RLXSTR · 16 April 2010, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris russell

I also suspect the fake branding was photoshopped off. Why else deliberately make the movement look 'Rolex-esque'? The case is sorta halfway between the regular Sub dimensions and the maxi-case, so not too impressive on that level. Why does it exist?

Being a designer, I downloaded the photos and checked for alterations to the photos...I could not find any misplaced pixels viewing upclose. I first thought of the photos being photochopped as well.

TattooedGQ · 16 April 2010, 06:32 AM

Like Alan111 said, all over ebay. they have -c sub copies too. I was thinking about picking one up just to try out on a NATO. It might look the part, but at least it's not claiming to be something its not.

MitchSteel · 16 April 2010, 06:42 AM

OH NO......they just had to basterdise that one didnt they?

poor, very poor....we are not ammused!

Watch Professor · 16 April 2010, 07:42 AM

Why was Invicta removed?

Tools · 16 April 2010, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watch Professor

Why was Invicta removed?

TheDude · 16 April 2010, 08:02 AM

This almost certainly came out of a fake factory, regardless of where you'd find it on a map.

No one goes to such painstaking care to create a near perfect copy complete with Rolex-specific detailing just to leave it blank.

I know these factories also cater to "Internet Builders", which is why you might see ones like this one.

Interestingly, that's a Sub bracelet. You can tell because the clasp is a good centimeter longer than the GMT clasp assembly.

Alan111 · 16 April 2010, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDude

This almost certainly came out of a fake factory, regardless of where you'd find it on a map.

No one goes to such painstaking care to create a near perfect copy complete with Rolex-specific detailing just to leave it blank.

I know these factories also cater to "Internet Builders", which is why you might see ones like this one.

Interestingly, that's a Sub bracelet. You can tell because the clasp is a good centimeter longer than the GMT clasp assembly.

Uhhh Alpha and Invicta do the same... theuy aint fake factories

Jason71 · 16 April 2010, 09:26 AM

Just remember......You get what you pay for, even for homages.........Or, you might not even get your money's worth

TheDude · 16 April 2010, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan111

Uhhh Alpha and Invicta do the same... theuy aint fake factories

I disagree. The watch in that picture is very far from an Invicta or Alpha. It's much closer to a real Rolex design than anything offered by those brands.

Add the rehaut, the Rolex "crown" on the crown and clasp, and a dial with markings and you have a near perfect copy.

jets · 16 April 2010, 09:50 AM

Meh, watches like that are just a waste of resources. So plain looking too.

brandxbrand · 16 April 2010, 10:05 AM

until someone proves that you can buy this watch as is, it's going down as a photoshop job.

construction and quality seems very hi to be simply a 'homage' model.

Alan111 · 16 April 2010, 10:35 AM

I guess I'll be the gunie pig and order one

TheDude · 16 April 2010, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandxbrand

until someone proves that you can buy this watch as is, it's going down as a photoshop job.

construction and quality seems very hi to be simply a 'homage' model.

This thread shows an "Internet builder" who has based a watch on a "blank" Sub-C copy. Again, I suspect that the factory ships mostly Rolex fakes, and will do unmarked or branded examples for small builders on request.

http://watchandclockforum.com/viewto...9b847cb76b605d

16 April 2010, 05:25 AM	#1
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16 April 2010, 05:29 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	No........... it is not a fake until crosses trademark boundaries.... But, I think that homage/copies/ etc., are pretty cheezy........... Most really are there to give the buyer the feeling that he has a watch "similar" to the real deal, and therefore, just as good.. One thing I do notice on the movement is that they have painted the auto-wind wheel red to try and simulate a Rolex movement.......... It is still a far cry from that, but the only reason to do that is to deceive......... I do suspect a photoshoppped fake here though......... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

16 April 2010, 05:39 AM	#10
brandxbrand "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: Concord, Ma Watch: your back Posts: 422	i had always suspected that something was off with my LV Attached Images

16 April 2010, 05:28 AM	#4
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	Homage piece. Nothing wrong with it.

16 April 2010, 05:33 AM	#7
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	It is actually very nice...why?....because it looks like a GMTIIC...lol

16 April 2010, 05:35 AM	#8
Buena Hoja Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Havana Posts: 19	Look at the clasp guys.......no photoshop there. Same clasp as the GMT IIc, less the Rolex Crown.

16 April 2010, 05:37 AM	#9
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	No photoshop here. These are homage watches and there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. Similar to buying an Invicta, or an Alpha, or an RXW. This watch posted though seems to have a crappy movement.

16 April 2010, 05:43 AM	#11
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	I wouldn't mind having one, if it existed, so I can do a long term test with. I have never warmed up to the maxi case and wearing one would be great, not just your 5 minutes in the AD. It would help me decide on a new Sub or go vintage.

16 April 2010, 05:52 AM	#13
chris russell Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Peterborough, ON Watch: your mouth. Posts: 1,023	It looks very Chinese and very much like it was intended to deceive. I also suspect the fake branding was photoshopped off. Why else deliberately make the movement look 'Rolex-esque'? The case is sorta halfway between the regular Sub dimensions and the maxi-case, so not too impressive on that level. Why does it exist?

16 April 2010, 05:54 AM	#14
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	can be easily obtained off of ebay.... http://cgi.ebay.com/Ceramic-Bezel-Su...item4aa03d6483 EDIT: I'm not sure if posting this link is allowed. If it's not, then I apologize.

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TattooedGQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Justin Location: NY, USA Watch: yo self! Posts: 2,686	Like Alan111 said, all over ebay. they have -c sub copies too. I was thinking about picking one up just to try out on a NATO. It might look the part, but at least it's not claiming to be something its not. __________________ That boy's got the Devil in him. Rolex: I think I'm up to 9?? Omega: Got a few of those too. Breitling: And some of these.

16 April 2010, 06:42 AM	#20
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16 April 2010, 07:42 AM	#21
Watch Professor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Myron Location: New York Watch: GMT IIC; Sub Date Posts: 3,166	Why was Invicta removed?

16 April 2010, 08:02 AM	#23
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	This almost certainly came out of a fake factory, regardless of where you'd find it on a map. No one goes to such painstaking care to create a near perfect copy complete with Rolex-specific detailing just to leave it blank. I know these factories also cater to "Internet Builders", which is why you might see ones like this one. Interestingly, that's a Sub bracelet. You can tell because the clasp is a good centimeter longer than the GMT clasp assembly.

16 April 2010, 09:26 AM	#25
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16 April 2010, 10:05 AM	#28
brandxbrand "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Chris Location: Concord, Ma Watch: your back Posts: 422	until someone proves that you can buy this watch as is, it's going down as a photoshop job. construction and quality seems very hi to be simply a 'homage' model.

16 April 2010, 10:35 AM	#29
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	I guess I'll be the gunie pig and order one

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