New here, I need help ! 14060 or seiko?

[le_baroudeur]

Hello!
I'm a french 27 y/o student, finishing my law studies, and i want to buy a long-lasting watch for next winter, if I become graduated... That's why I came here to request advice. I want to live for travel, adventure, mud, seawater and others, so a diving watch come to mind. I want it to last more than 30 years, because a good watch worn in great moments becomes priceless.

I love well engineered machines, like nikon fm2 or toyota bj.. and after months of internet searching, I think that two watches come to mind:

Rolex submariner 14060m (the last without ceramic bezel) OR Seiko marinemaster 300 sbdx001.. I've got a 6,3" wrist.

The two are very good products:

seiko: + price / japan=perfection / smooth curves / excellent lume
- servicing 30 years beyond? / lack of "finesse", too thick.. / 316l= bad after 30years of diving..

rolex: + beauty / long time servicing? / 904l= no rust
- price / awful lume / "look at me i'm rich" style / no date


HELP ME! I don't manage to make my choice...

Best regards

Xavier

[JJ Irani]

Welcome to TRF, Xavier.

If money is no object (I don't know what that SEIKO costs), then the Sub would be my choice in a heartbeat.

It's a watch which will bring you years and years of joy and happiness.

Good luck - JJ

[andrew79]

this is a rolex forum and i suggest rolex.... as simple as that....

[le_baroudeur]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Welcome to TRF, Xavier.

If money is no object (I don't know what that SEIKO costs), then the Sub would be my choice in a heartbeat.

It's a watch which will bring you years and years of joy and happiness.

Good luck - JJ

That seiko costs about half the price of the rolex..

[Lion]

Welcome to the Forum Xavier and both watches are very nice. If it was my choice I would prefer the Sub No Date(14060M). That watch has been around for over 50 years with a solid history. The styling is iconic and it will last you forever!!!

[Tek]

Hi Xavier,

I would point you to Rolex . Also It's not a 'look at me I'm rich style" either you'll have to look elsewhere for those, good luck

[RRGHOST1]

It has to be the Sub over the Marinemaster,as this watch has everything,even though there is nothing wrong with the Seiko. I may be wrong but i thought the 14060M Sub was made from 316L SS, nothing wrong in that though, it will last years and has proven longevity.

[bayerische]

Rolex.

You won't be disappointed, not now, not after 30 years.

[Bullyterrier]

salut et bienvenue Xavier,

I would choose the Submariner. I think it will be the better choice.

[beany]

Welcome to the forum.

Since you are buying a watch to last and treasure it will be much easier to treasure a Rolex. It will last you well and is a thing of beauty; form and function.

GO WITH THE ROLEX

[Andad]

Buy the oldest 14060 that you can afford - keep it for 30 years - RETIRE.

[colpol]

If its a watch to last you 30 years - I'd go for the rolex. Time-less classic

The seikos a good watch so be sure to try on both & get what you prefer on your wrist rather than buying the name\ whats best for resale, etc.

What you might want to consider also is waiting till you graduate\ get your first job before purchasing. Yeah I know - boring but ....

[foudelet]

Bonjour Xavier,
sans hésitation, si ton budget le permet, prend la Sub.
Il y a des vendeurs sur le site (David SW, Oscar - Bodybump entre autre) qui ont de bonnes affaires.
Je viens d'acheter à Oscar une Sea Dweller et tout c'est très bien passé.

bienvenue sur le forum

Fred

[Flyjet601]

14060 without question.....I just got one and I luv it.

[dysondiver]

to bring a seiko to a rolex forum is like taking a duck to a cock fight.
just my thoughts , rolex , once you have gotten over the shock of parting with the cash , you will have a long time to think about how well you spent it.

[Johny]

buy the rolex. you get to keep the grin. welcome

[TSW]

The Sub of course!
Don't think you will get a lot Seiko votes here among us Rolex fanatics

[ibramr]

Xavier,

You are commended for thinking ahead of time about to the needs of your very soon to come entry to the labour market as a lawyer. For such needs, and in terms of form and function, Rolex wins hands down. As you indentified correctly, "lack of "finesse, too thick.", are not really endearing features to your day-to-day professional needs. Rolex is bound to give you a much better utility at a much better price given its longevity, serviceability and reliability. Best of luck in you next career move.

[Deep Sea]

The 14060 is probably one of the most iconic Rolex out there, thank to James Bond wearing a ND Sub in Dr. No.

If you have the $$, go for the Rolex.

[Brushpup]

Not just that we are biased, and we are, there is no question if you want it for 30 years.

ROLEX

[rolexdeepsea]

welcome to TRF!

if you but a seiko now that ok! but the problem you have later is that you want to get a far better watch and rolex will appear again.

so why don't you get a rolex and then in a few years time you look at it and think what was i thinking off seiko lol

[Kokyuryoku]

Kia ora and welcome to the forum

I'd get the Sub in a heart beat. There's just no comparison. Don't get me wrong I actually love Seiko watches, but why buy a lookalike when you could get the real thing.

[dddrees]

The decision should be made first in accordance with your money situation. Money matters and Rolex will cost more than most watches.

There are many reasons why a Rolex would be a good choice, and since this is a rolex forum most people here will recomend that you get a Rolex.

Purchase your material things according to your personal choice. You earn your money don't do what the next guy tells you to do.

Oh, by the way did I fail to say that you definitely should get the Rolex?

[tifosi]

Go with the Sub. The marinemaster is an icon of the seiko world, but the Sub is THE icon! I wouldn't mind having a marinemaster because I am a fan of Seiko watches, but never in place of my Sub. Good luck with your decision.

[The GMT Master]

I'm going to buck the trend and recommend the Seiko here. I think it's a very impressive watch for the money - I can guarantee that the bracelet will feel far more refined than the one on the 14060m, and the movement seems pretty impressive as well. It's a properly thought out diver's watch, arguably even more so than the 14060M.


Just to clarify for those who don't know what watch the Seiko is, please check out this link - you might be pleasantly surprised. Don't let brand stigma stop you from appreciating the watch as a piece of engineering

[le_baroudeur]

Well ... 22 for ROLEX
1 for SEIKO...

I will see my AD this evening to ask him if the 14060m will still be available in next february.. ( My results will be in january ) Or I will perhaps wait for the next basel show.. if the bracelet is improved.. ( I hope they won't put a ceramic bezel ! )

Thank you for your advice

[Frogman4me]

Both are great watches and I doubt you would be disappointed with either one but based on your wrist size I would go with the sub and not to mention 30 years+ is proven with the sub. Although I am sure the seiko would last just as long, the marine master sbdx001 just hasn't been around that long but many will acknowledge the quality is unbelievable. good luck

[wzz]

I think many Rolex collectors, and dealers also keep an older Seiko diving watch around. I do and I love it. I wear it on a NATO strap and it looks great. You can procure a used version of the 200m for less than $200 dollars on eBay.


However, I love the 2 line simplicity of the 14060m. I like it more than the newer COSC no-date sub.


Having said all of that, come Thursday when I go rehab my back in a swimming pool, I will be wearing my Seiko 200m. That night for dinner out, I will be wearing my Rolex 5513 (same look as the 14060m only older).


My $.02


Congrats on Law School!

[slcbbrown]

No question, for me. Buy a used Sub and make sure it has been recently serviced (or budget the service and have it done). A 20 year old Sub (1990-ish) will last you for another 30 years, plus. The Sub is an understated watch-- there are a lot of large stainless watches in the world and most people don't recognize the Rolex versions.

Whether you buy new or used, you'll never need another watch, if you buy a Sub. I can't say that for Seiko. Can you imagine looking back in 10 or 15 years and saying, "I wish I'd got the Seiko"?

[le_baroudeur]

Ok, I jumped this evening to the AD's office.. I tryed a new ceramic gold-steel sub, but I'm afraid about those ceramic bezels.. I don't want to "baby" this watch too much because of it. Those subs are incredible however !!! The bezel is smooooth, clic clic clic, a joy !

So my choice will be:

- new 14060m
OR
- used 16600

The second one seems to be quite more expensive, no?
The AD told me that I had rather take it now, or give them 20% of the price () to be sure that the 14060m will be available for me in january... ( I finish my studies in january ) ; but I don't want to do anything before the results.. so I think that I will let time flow, and make slowly my decision between 16600 and 14060.. If the 14060m can't be found anymore in january, so I will buy a used one.. what do you think?

Thank you evreyone for your advice, seiko is way way behind those .. for sure.

Best regards

Xavier