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esm · 22 September 2010, 08:52 PM

you know the feeling.... while im still very keen on a 210, something about the Luminor GMT has caught my eyes

done a quick research and there are a few variants of Luminor GMTs i can find -

PAM088 - strap (MSRP £4.4K)
PAM160 - steel bracelet (£4K)
PAM161 - steel case, titanium bracelet (£5.9)
PAM244 - different dial design to 88? (£4.3k)
PAM297 - steel case, titanium& steel bracelet (£5k)

so, my question is.... which one is "more popular" and in turn will "retain" more value in the future?

im thinking of getting a PAM160 instead of the PAM088 (but i do preefer the 88 dial design though), so i have a Panerai bracelet (it is so damn expensive to buy seperately), and i can change to straps to mix it up.

another thing with the 160 is that the pre-owned price seems to be higher than the pre-owned price of the 88 (according to the website im ckecking atm).. is that the real case?

then again... there is a PAM355 (sexy piece though, but no idea what the £ is... i have a feeling it is more than any of the ones above)

what are you opinions and suggestions, thanks?

leeye · 22 September 2010, 09:42 PM

may i recommend the 2010 Special Edition PAM0029 Luminor GMT

the center sweeping second hand is rather unique.

esm · 22 September 2010, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leeye

may i recommend the 2010 Special Edition PAM0029 Luminor GMT

the center sweeping second hand is rather unique.

thanks Lee... just had a quick look at Panerai website.

is it me or does it look like an EXPII on leather strap?

i think i still prefer the non-special edition versions

(why, and i mean why do they put a cyclops over the date window.. )

timepieceaddict · 22 September 2010, 10:56 PM

Theres also the 320.
1950's case, sandwich dial, new in house automatic movement.
Think rrp is £5000.
I like the Pam 29 a lot.

esm · 22 September 2010, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timepieceaddict

Theres also the 320.
1950's case, sandwich dial, new in house automatic movement.
Think rrp is £5000.
I like the Pam 29 a lot.

thanks Nick. yes, i forgot about the 320.
i like the simple design, but one issue i have with it is the non-24 hours GMT feature and no am/pm indicator.

Shade · 22 September 2010, 11:12 PM

I would recommend any GMT with a 1950 case.. Its my personal preference.. However the Pam 088 is very popular amongst panerai fans.

Mosco · 22 September 2010, 11:16 PM

What about Pam 275, 233, 311? All GMT's with in-house 8-day movements.

esm · 22 September 2010, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shade

I would recommend any GMT with a 1950 case.. Its my personal preference.. However the Pam 088 is very popular amongst panerai fans.

thanks Norman.... im liking the 1950 case, as well as the 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

What about Pam 275, 233, 311? All GMT's with in-house 8-day movements.

oh man... why so many

(typing www.panerai.com.......

)

Mosco · 22 September 2010, 11:55 PM

Beauty about those is that they're only GMT when they need to be, as the 2nd timezone hand can be hidden behind the main hour hand, thus cleaning up the dial. Oh, and the 289 too...

eng81157 · 23 September 2010, 05:40 AM

i have a 320. am absolutely loving despite that it lacks a am/pm indicator

honestly, u don't really need it to tell u the 2nd time zone. just the gmt hand will suffice

Nahligah · 23 September 2010, 05:51 AM

88

blairtolar · 23 September 2010, 10:31 AM

I love my 233....1950 case, domed crystal, quick release strap change, in house....

buz-lh · 23 September 2010, 10:56 AM

Love my big 88

MrJ320 · 23 September 2010, 02:21 PM

I had the 320 but now have the 233. Love both of them and either would be a great choice. I didn't think the non-24h GMT on the 320 was a deal breaker, and like everyone said the 1950 case is amazing.

Ended up with the 233 though as I couldn't get away from the 8-day and superdome.

Good luck with your search!

Cheers,
James

dalip · 23 September 2010, 02:32 PM

Eric...wow...you are on a roll buddy!

88 for me....

1watchaholic · 23 September 2010, 04:28 PM

I have got to cast my vote for the PAM 88!

esm · 23 September 2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalip

Eric...wow...you are on a roll buddy!

88 for me....

yeah... i will be rolling into a dog house soon mate

how's the 0ne-8-three going?

mfer · 24 September 2010, 06:41 AM

Stick to what you want. Get the GMT later....

DCgator · 24 September 2010, 07:04 AM

Pam 88

mike · 24 September 2010, 07:12 AM

No arguement from me about the 88. This one has been around the horn.

Speaking of Horn (as in Mike), if you can find one of these I'd go for it. Not a reference you see much (500) and has a unique history.

I'm with Lee on the 29--it will be mine.

esm · 24 September 2010, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

Stick to what you want. Get the GMT later....

yeah, i get what you mean. as much as i would like a 210 now, i just can not get hold of one here. they are just not getting delivered soon enough.... and its kinda exciting to "bump into" a Panerai you like out of no where

thats how i got my 000

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

No arguement from me about the 88. This one has been around the horn.

why am i not surprised to hear that Mike

as for the horn (500), it is nice, but i do prefer the 88 tbh

Dan Pierce · 24 September 2010, 08:54 AM

Don't own one but if I did it would be an 88.

dP

zlin08033 · 24 September 2010, 10:53 AM

Hi,
I don't know did you notice one difference among Panerai GMTs, some are 24 hours GMT (like 88...) and some are 12 hours GMT (like 320...). With 12 hours GMT you can "hide" GMT hand when you don't need it, but you can't tell AM/PM.

Submarino · 26 September 2010, 01:13 AM

PAM 329 or PAM 321!

esm · 26 September 2010, 01:25 AM

thanks guys.

i thought PAM098 (discountiuned)/PAM355 was an interesting design. just not too sure about the 42mm case - is it as "popular" as the 40mm Luminors?

L-16610 · 26 September 2010, 01:39 AM

to be honest, I would NOT buy a GMT

Panerai is a brand where you only buy the simple models
2 or max 3 hands, NO COMPLICATIONS !

Mosco · 26 September 2010, 02:55 AM

Eric, my vote is for a 233. 'Hideable' GMT hand with a separate AM/PM indicator, in-house 8-day movement, REAL hacking seconds (when hacked, it jumps to zero), date that can be adjusted either way, 1950's case, sandwich dial... Get to the bad part! At the moment the market is quite soft on them, so one can be obtained at a very reasonable cost. Got rid of mine and somewhat regret it....

Mosco · 26 September 2010, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-16610

to be honest, I would NOT buy a GMT

Panerai is a brand where you only buy the simple models
2 or max 3 hands, NO COMPLICATIONS !

Ummmm.... No. No brand delivers complications as clean and elegant as Panerai.

jhilly8982 · 26 September 2010, 05:02 AM

88 or if you can find one, 63 or 29b

L-16610 · 26 September 2010, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Ummmm.... No. No brand delivers complications as clean and elegant as Panerai.

the 233 is indeed a great watch and it is a complication

22 September 2010, 08:52 PM	#1
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	getting the Panerai itch again - which GMT? you know the feeling.... while im still very keen on a 210, something about the Luminor GMT has caught my eyes done a quick research and there are a few variants of Luminor GMTs i can find - PAM088 - strap (MSRP £4.4K) PAM160 - steel bracelet (£4K) PAM161 - steel case, titanium bracelet (£5.9) PAM244 - different dial design to 88? (£4.3k) PAM297 - steel case, titanium& steel bracelet (£5k) so, my question is.... which one is "more popular" and in turn will "retain" more value in the future? im thinking of getting a PAM160 instead of the PAM088 (but i do preefer the 88 dial design though), so i have a Panerai bracelet (it is so damn expensive to buy seperately), and i can change to straps to mix it up. another thing with the 160 is that the pre-owned price seems to be higher than the pre-owned price of the 88 (according to the website im ckecking atm).. is that the real case? then again... there is a PAM355 (sexy piece though, but no idea what the £ is... i have a feeling it is more than any of the ones above) what are you opinions and suggestions, thanks?

22 September 2010, 09:42 PM	#2
leeye "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Lee Location: Singapore Watch: Too many...... Posts: 689	may i recommend the 2010 Special Edition PAM0029 Luminor GMT the center sweeping second hand is rather unique. __________________ Lee, Singapore - Shanghai Submersibles - PAM 64, 87, 187, 243, 382 Luminor - PAM 366, 367, 372, 390, 420 Radiomir - PAM 410

22 September 2010, 11:16 PM	#7
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	What about Pam 275, 233, 311? All GMT's with in-house 8-day movements. __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

22 September 2010, 11:55 PM	#9
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Beauty about those is that they're only GMT when they need to be, as the 2nd timezone hand can be hidden behind the main hour hand, thus cleaning up the dial. Oh, and the 289 too... __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

23 September 2010, 10:56 AM	#13
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	Love my big 88 __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

22 September 2010, 10:56 PM	#4
timepieceaddict "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Nick Location: Sussex, UK Watch: 116520, Pam 312 Posts: 286	Theres also the 320. 1950's case, sandwich dial, new in house automatic movement. Think rrp is £5000. I like the Pam 29 a lot.

22 September 2010, 11:12 PM	#6
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	I would recommend any GMT with a 1950 case.. Its my personal preference.. However the Pam 088 is very popular amongst panerai fans.

23 September 2010, 05:40 AM	#10
eng81157 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 1	i have a 320. am absolutely loving despite that it lacks a am/pm indicator honestly, u don't really need it to tell u the 2nd time zone. just the gmt hand will suffice

23 September 2010, 05:51 AM	#11
Nahligah Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Alex Location: Pattaya Thailand Watch: not enough... Posts: 244	88

23 September 2010, 10:31 AM	#12
blairtolar "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: USA Posts: 10	I love my 233....1950 case, domed crystal, quick release strap change, in house....

23 September 2010, 02:21 PM	#14
MrJ320 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: James Location: Toronto Watch: IG: @j.project Posts: 2,194	I had the 320 but now have the 233. Love both of them and either would be a great choice. I didn't think the non-24h GMT on the 320 was a deal breaker, and like everyone said the 1950 case is amazing. Ended up with the 233 though as I couldn't get away from the 8-day and superdome. Good luck with your search! Cheers, James

23 September 2010, 02:32 PM	#15
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	Eric...wow...you are on a roll buddy! 88 for me.... __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

23 September 2010, 04:28 PM	#16
1watchaholic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Gary Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex Sub Serti Posts: 557	I have got to cast my vote for the PAM 88!

24 September 2010, 06:41 AM	#18
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Stick to what you want. Get the GMT later.... __________________ member#3242

24 September 2010, 07:04 AM	#19
DCgator "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: PNW Watch: DS,BLNR,SubLV,DJ2 Posts: 8,123	Pam 88

24 September 2010, 07:12 AM	#20
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	No arguement from me about the 88. This one has been around the horn. Speaking of Horn (as in Mike), if you can find one of these I'd go for it. Not a reference you see much (500) and has a unique history. I'm with Lee on the 29--it will be mine.

24 September 2010, 08:54 AM	#22
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,215	Don't own one but if I did it would be an 88. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

24 September 2010, 10:53 AM	#23
zlin08033 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 1,034	24 or 12 hours GMT? Hi, I don't know did you notice one difference among Panerai GMTs, some are 24 hours GMT (like 88...) and some are 12 hours GMT (like 320...). With 12 hours GMT you can "hide" GMT hand when you don't need it, but you can't tell AM/PM.

26 September 2010, 01:13 AM	#24
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	PAM 329 or PAM 321! __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

26 September 2010, 01:25 AM	#25
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	thanks guys. i thought PAM098 (discountiuned)/PAM355 was an interesting design. just not too sure about the 42mm case - is it as "popular" as the 40mm Luminors?

26 September 2010, 01:39 AM	#26
L-16610 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 825	to be honest, I would NOT buy a GMT Panerai is a brand where you only buy the simple models 2 or max 3 hands, NO COMPLICATIONS !

26 September 2010, 02:55 AM	#27
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Eric, my vote is for a 233. 'Hideable' GMT hand with a separate AM/PM indicator, in-house 8-day movement, REAL hacking seconds (when hacked, it jumps to zero), date that can be adjusted either way, 1950's case, sandwich dial... Get to the bad part! At the moment the market is quite soft on them, so one can be obtained at a very reasonable cost. Got rid of mine and somewhat regret it.... __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

26 September 2010, 05:02 AM	#29
jhilly8982 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: chicago Posts: 334	88 or if you can find one, 63 or 29b

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