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speedo · 28 April 2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulltrapper

Again, there are many watches that Hublot makes that sell for over retail list price and they retain that value. How many Rolex's do that? None, now that the daytona has lost a lot of interest. Rolex makes over 1 million watches per year. Hublot makes about 25k. But you're right, the price point is higher than most Rolex owners can afford.

People who say it's a "marketing gimmick" clearly don't understand marketing either....How do you think Rolex got to selling 1 million watches per year?

does the selling price automatically qualify an item? would rolex be worse were they sold for half of the actual price? would they be better if they sold for double?

marketing and marketing gimmick are two different things. you need to market even a product with a decent background, history. no arguing there. marketing gimmick is needed when you have to sell something as an item with history and decent background though it has neither.

roleyrolz · 28 April 2011, 11:37 PM

If ur saying that rolex got to were it is by quality alone,than jlc,zenith, glashutte original should sell 3 million a year. Rem er bond didn't wear zenith federor doesn't rep jlc. Ya alot of it is gimmicks which is fine just as long as it's kept to marketing not the watches themselves

roleyrolz · 28 April 2011, 11:39 PM

Speedo I agree Im just trying to explain my self to bulitrapper.

masterkiller · 28 April 2011, 11:41 PM

I would take a the Rose gold Hublot in the first pic rather then the Daytona IMHO

/masterkiller

Jake B · 28 April 2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by roleyrolz

If ur saying that rolex got to were it is by quality alone,than jlc,zenith, glashutte original should sell 3 million a year. Rem er bond didn't wear zenith federor doesn't rep jlc. Ya alot of it is gimmicks which is fine just as long as it's kept to marketing not the watches themselves

??? My brain hurts while reading this. Please, help us to understand.

roleyrolz · 28 April 2011, 11:58 PM

What i was trying to say that Rolex got to were it was partly do to Marketing> Threw Movies and Celebrties, which is fine just as long as there is a product of a certain histroy quality and innovation is behind it. NOw if we look at Hublot there is no quality histroy or innovation behind there watches its jsut a Gimmick. What i meant what brands like AP and Rolex and others do which is use celebrties and others and sponsor event is.nt all bad just as long as there is quality behind that brand. Look at Hublot for example in 2006 and 2007 they were on the cover of every watch mag.the new hot thing when the market collapsed they sold out to lvmh because they new that there Gimmicks in Marketing and product(the Big Bang a APROO copy) could'nt last long on its own.And sorry for the confusion im not good at spell check:)

Bulltrapper · 29 April 2011, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by masterkiller

I would take a the Rose gold Hublot in the first pic rather then the Daytona IMHO

/masterkiller

subtona · 29 April 2011, 12:07 AM

Yes, same thing only different.

Jake B · 29 April 2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

Yes, same thing only different.

I dunno...That describes the 1974 Chrysler Cordoba vs. the 1974 Dodge Charger Ltd.....or the Dodge Omni vs. the Plymouth Horizon. Not so much for these two watches.

JakaB · 29 April 2011, 02:01 AM

One of the beauties of the Big Bang is that the new in house UNICO movement can be installed into an existing watch that you own. I was close to buying an AP until Rory blew the Masters. Sadly now I have to pull for the Heat. Sponsorships can also backfire.

Wearing a Hublot can make a guy feel a touch younger.

Bigboss · 29 April 2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Might I suggest you make a appointment to see a optician as soon as possible

Sure. I agree that the watches are very different! At least for the color blind ;-)

Bigboss · 29 April 2011, 02:20 AM

No offense to the Hublot lovers, I do believe that buying a watch is a matter of personal preference. If the watch makes you smile that's it.

However I do think that Hublot watches scream Noveau Riche louder than many Rolex watches (yeap, besides the WIS community that's why Rolex watches are bought for - Status). Hublot watches do not make me smile.

IMHO they're just an overpriced, pretentious, big watch case with a cheap movement inside. No heritage ;)

Bulltrapper · 29 April 2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigboss

No offense to the Hublot lovers, I do believe that buying a watch is a matter of personal preference. If the watch makes you smile that's it.

However I do think that Hublot watches scream Noveau Riche louder than many Rolex watches (yeap, besides the WIS community that's why Rolex watches are bought for - Status). Hublot watches do not make me smile.

IMHO they're just an overpriced, pretentious, big watch case with a cheap movement inside. No heritage ;)

Pretentious? really? I highly doubt you would have purchased your watch unless it said Rolex on it.....It's the only high end watch that is noticeable to people who don't own them.....which is why I think most yuppies buy them....for everyone else to see. Hublot is for a collector who knows what he wants in a watch.

And to the people who say that Hublot doesn't have history....that couldn't be further from the truth. Look at the guy running the company. History at AP, blancpain, omega, etc. If he doesn't bring history to the brand, I don't know who could. Great companies have to start at some point.

By the way I think the daytona is largely becoming a womans watch because of the size. I know a lot of guys don't want to hear that, but it's true.

Zed Homme · 29 April 2011, 06:07 AM

Rolex would never run an ad like the Hublot Eccelstone ad. I lost all respect for Hublot at that point. Also considering the price point, I find the resin plastic walls on the sides of the big bang case to be unacceptable. For the money, I'd rather get a ROO, although I'd much rather save a little more and get a Richard Mille.

vancity · 29 April 2011, 06:10 AM

sorry for noob question: what does the new daytona look like?

TempoKing · 29 April 2011, 06:51 AM

I hate pink/rose...and when I saw the Breitling look of the new Daytona
or the Hublot look....on the strap... I felt ...how can I say this nicely.... nauseated

Bigboss · 29 April 2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulltrapper

Pretentious? really? I highly doubt you would have purchased your watch unless it said Rolex on it.....It's the only high end watch that is noticeable to people who don't own them.....which is why I think most yuppies buy them....for everyone else to see. Hublot is for a collector who knows what he wants in a watch.

And to the people who say that Hublot doesn't have history....that couldn't be further from the truth. Look at the guy running the company. History at AP, blancpain, omega, etc. If he doesn't bring history to the brand, I don't know who could. Great companies have to start at some point.

By the way I think the daytona is largely becoming a womans watch because of the size. I know a lot of guys don't want to hear that, but it's true.

Sorry. You probably have one or more Hublots in your collection and that's OK. I'm not passionate about Hublots and I don't care about them at all.

Some watches from Hublot are indeed good-looking (as the watch that started this thread) however their price point is ridiculously off. Of course you can always find someone to buy your products if you position them well, specially if you produce only 25.000 watches/year (are these figures correct?).

A month ago I was @ Hooters with my friends, having a beer when 5 famous brazilian soccer players arrived. Guess what? 4 of them were wearing Hublots with the classical RoseGold/Black look. That's my frame of reference for Hublot and I definitely don't want to be part of it.

As for Heritage, don't get me wrong, but I guess that EVERYONE here agrees that it would take more than hire a CEO that worked in two or three serious watch houses to be able to claim some.

My 2 cents

San Francisco · 29 April 2011, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigboss

Sorry. You probably have one or more Hublots in your collection and that's OK. I'm not passionate about Hublots and I don't care about them at all.

Some watches from Hublot are indeed good-looking (as the watch that started this thread) however their price point is ridiculously off. Of course you can always find someone to buy your products if you position them well, specially if you produce only 25.000 watches/year (are these figures correct?).

A month ago I was @ Hooters with my friends, having a beer when 5 famous brazilian soccer players arrived. Guess what? 4 of them were wearing Hublots with the classical RoseGold/Black look. That's my frame of reference for Hublot and I definitely don't want to be part of it.

As for Heritage, don't get me wrong, but I guess that EVERYONE here agrees that it would take more than hire a CEO that worked in two or three serious watch houses to be able to claim some.

My 2 cents

Hooters? Really? May I ask which players and in which city is this Hooters? Hilarious to picture the Brazilian NT eating at Hooters.

Bigboss · 29 April 2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by San Francisco

Hooters? Really? May I ask which players and in which city is this Hooters? Hilarious to picture the Brazilian NT eating at Hooters.

Sao Paulo, Brazil. :-) i don't remember their names because i'm not into soccer, my friends recognize them. I recognize the Hublot. I just remembered tha a very famous brazilian TV host wears Hublot constantly. His name is Fausto Silva. Just google it.

Bigboss · 29 April 2011, 08:16 AM

Oh god. Sorry but I can't keep this one to myself.

"Hublots are alarm clocks on a strap."

Sorry again but i just read that in another forum:-)

subtona · 29 April 2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake B

I dunno...That describes the 1974 Chrysler Cordoba vs. the 1974 Dodge Charger Ltd.....or the Dodge Omni vs. the Plymouth Horizon. Not so much for these two watches.

actually i owned a plymouth volare as a kid, it was my favorite car, never worried about it.

as far as the above quote i gues for you it was an airplane joke... went over your head

subtona · 29 April 2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

Yes, same thing only different.

original joke

not that funny but had to paint the complete picture

slcbbrown · 30 April 2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigboss

Do you agree?

Maybe it should be called an homage to Invicta. I'm pretty sure they've been making that color scheme for years.

GolfPunk · 30 April 2011, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulltrapper

By the way I think the daytona is largely becoming a womans watch because of the size. I know a lot of guys don't want to hear that, but it's true.

I have read some ridiculous statements on this thread coupled with some appalling grammar - but the above statement is the worst ever! You quote "it's true" like it's a fact, when it is actually just your own opinion which in my opinion is very much wrong!!!

maybe you could change your name to bullishi**er??

cody p · 30 April 2011, 01:07 AM

You sir, are incorrect.

Bulltrapper · 30 April 2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GolfPunk

I have read some ridiculous statements on this thread coupled with some appalling grammar - but the above statement is the worst ever! You quote "it's true" like it's a fact, when it is actually just your own opinion which in my opinion is very much wrong!!!

maybe you could change your name to bullishi**er??

Hey don't kill the messenger...don't get me wrong, I think the daytona is one of the most beautiful watches Rolex has ever made. But with the trend of bigger watches, women have started to wear them....a lot. My wife included. It's a personal preference, and if you like a smaller watch then the daytona is for you. I don't mean to insult anyone, but it is true.

GolfPunk · 30 April 2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bulltrapper

Hey don't kill the messenger...don't get me wrong, I think the daytona is one of the most beautiful watches Rolex has ever made. But with the trend of bigger watches, women have started to wear them....a lot. My wife included. It's a personal preference, and if you like a smaller watch then the daytona is for you. I don't mean to insult anyone, but it is true.

I think the few women wearing these size watches (Men's) are a short term fashion trend as is the supersize watch fad - large Hublots, Large Panerais and Breitlings etc. 36mm and above are designed to be a mans watch - it's true

Mosco · 30 April 2011, 01:40 AM

Ya, I can totally see the resemblance

mtrunner · 30 April 2011, 01:53 AM

Some people like Hublot and some don't. I personally think they are overpriced for what you get. The movement is nothing special and personally I don't want to pay 25,000 for a watch that has plastic on the side of the case but that is just me.

Bulltrapper · 30 April 2011, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mtrunner

Some people like Hublot and some don't. I personally think they are overpriced for what you get. The movement is nothing special and personally I don't want to pay 25,000 for a watch that has plastic on the side of the case but that is just me.

It's actually Kevlar.. :)

28 April 2011, 11:41 PM	#64
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29 April 2011, 02:20 AM	#72
Bigboss "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: W Location: The answer is 42 Watch: Out! Posts: 524	No offense to the Hublot lovers, I do believe that buying a watch is a matter of personal preference. If the watch makes you smile that's it. However I do think that Hublot watches scream Noveau Riche louder than many Rolex watches (yeap, besides the WIS community that's why Rolex watches are bought for - Status). Hublot watches do not make me smile. IMHO they're just an overpriced, pretentious, big watch case with a cheap movement inside. No heritage ;) __________________ Cheers, Walter

29 April 2011, 08:16 AM	#80
Bigboss "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: W Location: The answer is 42 Watch: Out! Posts: 524	Oh god. Sorry but I can't keep this one to myself. "Hublots are alarm clocks on a strap." Sorry again but i just read that in another forum:-) __________________ Cheers, Walter

30 April 2011, 01:40 AM	#88
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Ya, I can totally see the resemblance __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

28 April 2011, 11:37 PM	#62
roleyrolz Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: us Posts: 144	If ur saying that rolex got to were it is by quality alone,than jlc,zenith, glashutte original should sell 3 million a year. Rem er bond didn't wear zenith federor doesn't rep jlc. Ya alot of it is gimmicks which is fine just as long as it's kept to marketing not the watches themselves

28 April 2011, 11:39 PM	#63
roleyrolz Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: us Posts: 144	Speedo I agree Im just trying to explain my self to bulitrapper.

28 April 2011, 11:58 PM	#66
roleyrolz Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: us Posts: 144	What i was trying to say that Rolex got to were it was partly do to Marketing> Threw Movies and Celebrties, which is fine just as long as there is a product of a certain histroy quality and innovation is behind it. NOw if we look at Hublot there is no quality histroy or innovation behind there watches its jsut a Gimmick. What i meant what brands like AP and Rolex and others do which is use celebrties and others and sponsor event is.nt all bad just as long as there is quality behind that brand. Look at Hublot for example in 2006 and 2007 they were on the cover of every watch mag.the new hot thing when the market collapsed they sold out to lvmh because they new that there Gimmicks in Marketing and product(the Big Bang a APROO copy) could'nt last long on its own.And sorry for the confusion im not good at spell check:)

29 April 2011, 12:07 AM	#68
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,601	Yes, same thing only different.

29 April 2011, 02:01 AM	#70
JakaB "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illiana Posts: 42	One of the beauties of the Big Bang is that the new in house UNICO movement can be installed into an existing watch that you own. I was close to buying an AP until Rory blew the Masters. Sadly now I have to pull for the Heat. Sponsorships can also backfire. Wearing a Hublot can make a guy feel a touch younger.

29 April 2011, 06:07 AM	#74
Zed Homme "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: usa Watch: Rolex Posts: 6,962	Rolex would never run an ad like the Hublot Eccelstone ad. I lost all respect for Hublot at that point. Also considering the price point, I find the resin plastic walls on the sides of the big bang case to be unacceptable. For the money, I'd rather get a ROO, although I'd much rather save a little more and get a Richard Mille.

29 April 2011, 06:10 AM	#75
vancity "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: vancouver Posts: 36	sorry for noob question: what does the new daytona look like?

29 April 2011, 06:51 AM	#76
TempoKing Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Anastasios Location: Athens Greece Watch: Rolex GMT 1675 Posts: 8,497	I hate pink/rose...and when I saw the Breitling look of the new Daytona or the Hublot look....on the strap... I felt ...how can I say this nicely.... nauseated

30 April 2011, 01:07 AM	#85
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	You sir, are incorrect.

30 April 2011, 01:53 AM	#89
mtrunner 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Gary Location: Bozeman, MT Watch: 126508 Paul Newman Posts: 7,835	Some people like Hublot and some don't. I personally think they are overpriced for what you get. The movement is nothing special and personally I don't want to pay 25,000 for a watch that has plastic on the side of the case but that is just me.

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