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hunz · 18 May 2011, 10:44 PM

ie. 3187 movement, ceramic dial, most probably maxi case and even 42mm?

how about colour options.. like with blue, green inserts. would you be interested. and do you reckon it will happen?

The GMT Master · 18 May 2011, 10:48 PM

Well, I seriously doubt it would have a 3187 in, as that's a GMT based movement with a date. However, if they do decide to release a new Sub, it's likely that it will be heavily based on the 116610, probably sticking with cal. 3130.

Grumpy Badger · 18 May 2011, 10:48 PM

My guess is they will bring out something new soon since the 14060 m doesn't gel with the rest of the line up.
I'll try to keep an open mind but, if the latest model updates are anything to go by, I'll hate it!

bscepter · 18 May 2011, 11:09 PM

i dunno... the 14060 is the closest they have to an actual "tool watch" left in their lineup. they may leave it as is for that fact alone.

/i'm sorry; an $8,000 sub-c is not a tool watch!

HL65 · 18 May 2011, 11:17 PM

One never knows with Rolex. Any guess is as good as mine. The 14060 is the one link to the Sub of old.....

padi56 · 19 May 2011, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunz

ie. 3187 movement, ceramic dial, most probably maxi case and even 42mm?

how about colour options.. like with blue, green inserts. would you be interested. and do you reckon it will happen?

Well like others have said the 3187 is a GMT watch movement but hardly a new movement.It was first a 3185 they added the slightly modded detent gears then called it a 3186 movement its now very very slightly thicker.Now they have added there own paraflex shock system to a 3186 and call it a 3187.But deep down all the complete mens size Rolex oyster watches except the chronos, are all based on the base cal 3135.All they do is add or take out complications this movement was introduced in 1988/9.And has remained unchanged except now some boast the in-house escapement parts.Myself hope they leave the 14060m well alone except for a SEL bracelet and perhaps the new type clasp.

Cru Jones · 19 May 2011, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bscepter

i dunno... the 14060 is the closest they have to an actual "tool watch" left in their lineup. they may leave it as is for that fact alone.

/i'm sorry; an $8,000 sub-c is not a tool watch!

i don't know if the price is what makes one a tool and the other not a tool....after all, the 14060 retails for over $6K.

cheap and sturdy aluminum bezel + lug holes + light bracelet + time-tested simple and tough clasp makes it a tool.

then again, we're talking rolex here, so, "tool watch" left the building a long time ago.

Dr. Robert · 19 May 2011, 12:35 AM

The 16610 & 14060 were sold side by side....................I think Rolex will update the
14060 in the future to have same case/lug/crown guard.......ceramic bezel, new bracelet/clasp as the
116610.....no date...they will be sold side-by-side again....116610 & 114060.
Maybe Rolex will keep the lug holes?

mike · 19 May 2011, 12:43 AM

It is the last of a special breed. I guess because of that it'd be nice if they left it an all black watch.

WyoWatch · 19 May 2011, 12:45 AM

My guess is that they will either update it like the Sub C or discontinue it. Only Rolex knows.

Tools · 19 May 2011, 03:15 AM

I think that Rolex keeps the 14060 the way it is as a classic depicting the roots of their icon Sub from the early days.....

No reason to change it, it sells fine, and it still has great looks..

My feeling is that they'll keep it pretty much the way it is (I'm sure that the new 3130 movement will fit just fine) the same way that Omega keeps their old-style Speedy Pro around...

I applaud them for their hands-off approach

tifosi · 19 May 2011, 06:10 AM

Like someone else said, I don't think the price has anything to do with whether or not it is a tool watch. Especially at $6,300 now. I would never even use Rolex and tool in the same sentence. Wait...I just did...well you know what I mean!

I think the no date will get the same upgrades as the Date. It doesn't make sense not to. The date and no date have been virtually the same forever. Why stop now?

mfer · 19 May 2011, 06:42 AM

I'm guessing they are using up parts. Once the 14060 parts are gone, so is the watch and you'll then havea 114060......aka nd subc

al_bongo · 19 May 2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tifosi

It doesn't make sense not to. The date and no date have been virtually the same forever. Why stop now?

The sub and the sub date haven't been the same for a long time. They might look it at first glance but the sub still has lug holes and non solid end links - just 2 of the more obvious differences.

The Rolex track record up until now has been to leave the sub alone and change the date version. Debatable whether they are going to now do an about turn on this.

wokafu · 19 May 2011, 02:15 PM

Hmm...im on the fence on this one..I love the classic look but the same time would like to see what kinda improvement can rolex put on a 14060..

subtona · 19 May 2011, 02:32 PM

just a basic theory for the upgrade...

1)ceramic bezel

2)no lug holes

3)expensive and brittle bracelet.

3 strikes your out, get your 14060 while you can

just my most humblest of opinions

ps i suspect the gmt master will agree with none of this

horseco · 19 May 2011, 02:41 PM

I think an update, if done correctly would be fine. An updated bracelet & clasp as well as an updated case, complete with lugholes, no ceramic bezel... Why not???

hunz · 19 May 2011, 02:54 PM

Looking at Rolex's website they don't even feature the 14060M. The same bracelet as the sub-c would be very nice, with the glidelock clasp. Pretty sure if (they did) they would upgrade it to the squarer case and maxi dial. Imagine if they did it with a 2 liner, but unlikely. They should keep the lug holes.

I tried on a sub-c the other day. The squarer case is not as bad as in the photos, I think I could live with it. The glidelock was the best feature of this watch.

Anyways if Rolex do update the Submariner, it will be even more expensive than the current 14060M which is listing retail at US$ 6,300! - so with all the new updates.. $7K+ ?!? Thats a lot to swallow for a SS watch.

I'm glad I got my 14060M COSC, maybe one of the last as stocks seems to be drying up at AD's and none of them I have spoken to think it will be replaced.

Time will tell I guess..

dddrees · 19 May 2011, 07:12 PM

I got a feeling they will update it to go along with the rest of their line up. Only time will tell, I guess we will have to watch what Rolex decides to do.

travisb · 19 May 2011, 07:14 PM

Still gotta wait I guess....eventually it will happen.

Grumpy Badger · 19 May 2011, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

just a basic theory for the upgrade...

1)ceramic bezel

2)no lug holes

3)expensive and brittle bracelet.

3 strikes your out, get your 14060 while you can

just my most humblest of opinions

ps i suspect the gmt master will agree with none of this

I suspect you are right on all counts.
The GMT master may not agree with you but I certainly do!

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseco

I think an update, if done correctly would be fine. An updated bracelet & clasp as well as an updated case, complete with lugholes, no ceramic bezel... Why not???

I think, if Rolex policy up to this point is any indicator, that dog won't hunt...

Only time will tell.

Art 1 · 19 May 2011, 07:33 PM

I don't see it happening, at least I hope not.

Rock · 19 May 2011, 08:00 PM

I am sure Rolex are well aware of the iconic status that the 14060M has for many Rolex enthusiasts, and it would seem unlikely that they would bother changing it if those changes were of a nature that lost its character. If they were going to do that they would surely just discontinue it. Having said that, I could imagine no lug holes, ceramic bezel and most of all the updated bracelet. Hopefully not larger.

The GMT Master · 19 May 2011, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

just a basic theory for the upgrade...

1)ceramic beze l

2)no lug holes

3)expensive and generally awesome bracelet.

Sign me up right away!

just my most humblest of opinions

ps i suspect the gmt master will agree with all of this

Fixed

LeOnfromtheblock · 19 May 2011, 08:56 PM

Id be hoping for something like a homage of a vintage no date model with the modern updates.

Whatever it is I hope Rolex can bring something out as surprising as the new Titanium Blue PO Omega has unleashed, I will seriously contemplate buying that one.

hunz · 19 May 2011, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

3)expensive and brittle bracelet.

brittle? how so?

bscepter · 19 May 2011, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

then again, we're talking rolex here, so, "tool watch" left the building a long time ago.

lol. ain't that the truth!

/still, i'd love a 14060 as a NATO head
//think my 16610 looks best on its bracelet

Grumpy Badger · 19 May 2011, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Fixed

I'll give you "fixed" sonny boy...

I know a good vet I could take you to to get you "fixed"!!!

The GMT Master · 19 May 2011, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

I'll give you "fixed" sonny boy...

I know a good vet I could take you to to get you "fixed"!!!

Uh-oh! I don't fancy becoming a gelding, thanks!

jacket4256 · 19 May 2011, 10:36 PM

having just bought a new 14060 and at my AD I had the new sub c and the one that I bought side by side, it took me 2 seconds to decide the 14060 is a lot better looking watch if you like the classic sub look to a watch...

18 May 2011, 10:44 PM	#1
hunz Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oztralia Watch: Rolex, SINN Posts: 618	Chances of a new SUBMARINER? (no date) ie. 3187 movement, ceramic dial, most probably maxi case and even 42mm? how about colour options.. like with blue, green inserts. would you be interested. and do you reckon it will happen?

18 May 2011, 10:48 PM	#3
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	My guess is they will bring out something new soon since the 14060 m doesn't gel with the rest of the line up. I'll try to keep an open mind but, if the latest model updates are anything to go by, I'll hate it! __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

18 May 2011, 11:09 PM	#4
bscepter "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Patrick Location: Omaha Watch: 16610 Submariner Posts: 948	i dunno... the 14060 is the closest they have to an actual "tool watch" left in their lineup. they may leave it as is for that fact alone. /i'm sorry; an $8,000 sub-c is not a tool watch! __________________ 2009 16610 Submariner Date 1971 1601 Datejust 1966 Omega Seamaster 1965 Vulcain Voyager Chronograph

18 May 2011, 11:17 PM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	One never knows with Rolex. Any guess is as good as mine. The 14060 is the one link to the Sub of old..... __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

19 May 2011, 12:35 AM	#8
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,282	The 16610 & 14060 were sold side by side....................I think Rolex will update the 14060 in the future to have same case/lug/crown guard.......ceramic bezel, new bracelet/clasp as the 116610.....no date...they will be sold side-by-side again....116610 & 114060. Maybe Rolex will keep the lug holes? __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

18 May 2011, 10:48 PM	#2
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Well, I seriously doubt it would have a 3187 in, as that's a GMT based movement with a date. However, if they do decide to release a new Sub, it's likely that it will be heavily based on the 116610, probably sticking with cal. 3130.

19 May 2011, 12:43 AM	#9
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	It is the last of a special breed. I guess because of that it'd be nice if they left it an all black watch.

19 May 2011, 12:45 AM	#10
WyoWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: USA Watch: 1675 GMT and Sub C Posts: 1,443	My guess is that they will either update it like the Sub C or discontinue it. Only Rolex knows.

19 May 2011, 03:15 AM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I think that Rolex keeps the 14060 the way it is as a classic depicting the roots of their icon Sub from the early days..... No reason to change it, it sells fine, and it still has great looks.. My feeling is that they'll keep it pretty much the way it is (I'm sure that the new 3130 movement will fit just fine) the same way that Omega keeps their old-style Speedy Pro around... I applaud them for their hands-off approach __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

19 May 2011, 06:10 AM	#12
tifosi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Russ Location: Southern NJ Posts: 5,760	Like someone else said, I don't think the price has anything to do with whether or not it is a tool watch. Especially at $6,300 now. I would never even use Rolex and tool in the same sentence. Wait...I just did...well you know what I mean! I think the no date will get the same upgrades as the Date. It doesn't make sense not to. The date and no date have been virtually the same forever. Why stop now? __________________ Russ

19 May 2011, 06:42 AM	#13
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I'm guessing they are using up parts. Once the 14060 parts are gone, so is the watch and you'll then havea 114060......aka nd subc __________________ member#3242

19 May 2011, 02:15 PM	#15
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	Hmm...im on the fence on this one..I love the classic look but the same time would like to see what kinda improvement can rolex put on a 14060..

19 May 2011, 02:32 PM	#16
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	just a basic theory for the upgrade... 1)ceramic bezel 2)no lug holes 3)expensive and brittle bracelet. 3 strikes your out, get your 14060 while you can just my most humblest of opinions ps i suspect the gmt master will agree with none of this

19 May 2011, 02:41 PM	#17
horseco "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Anthony Location: North Jersey Watch: Daytona 116528 Posts: 3,426	I think an update, if done correctly would be fine. An updated bracelet & clasp as well as an updated case, complete with lugholes, no ceramic bezel... Why not???

19 May 2011, 02:54 PM	#18
hunz Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oztralia Watch: Rolex, SINN Posts: 618	Looking at Rolex's website they don't even feature the 14060M. The same bracelet as the sub-c would be very nice, with the glidelock clasp. Pretty sure if (they did) they would upgrade it to the squarer case and maxi dial. Imagine if they did it with a 2 liner, but unlikely. They should keep the lug holes. I tried on a sub-c the other day. The squarer case is not as bad as in the photos, I think I could live with it. The glidelock was the best feature of this watch. Anyways if Rolex do update the Submariner, it will be even more expensive than the current 14060M which is listing retail at US$ 6,300! - so with all the new updates.. $7K+ ?!? Thats a lot to swallow for a SS watch. I'm glad I got my 14060M COSC, maybe one of the last as stocks seems to be drying up at AD's and none of them I have spoken to think it will be replaced. Time will tell I guess..

19 May 2011, 07:12 PM	#19
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	I got a feeling they will update it to go along with the rest of their line up. Only time will tell, I guess we will have to watch what Rolex decides to do. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

19 May 2011, 07:14 PM	#20
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,493	I thought we would see a new ND Sub this year Still gotta wait I guess....eventually it will happen.

19 May 2011, 07:33 PM	#22
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I don't see it happening, at least I hope not.

19 May 2011, 08:00 PM	#23
Rock 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rocky Location: Australia Watch: Grail:Bluesy Posts: 17,850	I am sure Rolex are well aware of the iconic status that the 14060M has for many Rolex enthusiasts, and it would seem unlikely that they would bother changing it if those changes were of a nature that lost its character. If they were going to do that they would surely just discontinue it. Having said that, I could imagine no lug holes, ceramic bezel and most of all the updated bracelet. Hopefully not larger. __________________ Cellini 4112. Sub 14060M. DJ 16233. Rotherhams 1847 Pocket-watch. Foundation Member of 'Horologists Anonymous' "Hi, I'm Rocky, and I'm a Horologist..."

19 May 2011, 08:56 PM	#25
LeOnfromtheblock "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 127	Id be hoping for something like a homage of a vintage no date model with the modern updates. Whatever it is I hope Rolex can bring something out as surprising as the new Titanium Blue PO Omega has unleashed, I will seriously contemplate buying that one.

19 May 2011, 10:36 PM	#30
jacket4256 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: TN GBO Posts: 20	having just bought a new 14060 and at my AD I had the new sub c and the one that I bought side by side, it took me 2 seconds to decide the 14060 is a lot better looking watch if you like the classic sub look to a watch...

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