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JJ Irani · 9 July 2007, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by wandyprawira

It's the 6 on the bezel, compare the shape of that with 16.

Thanks for pointing that out. You're right, there's a bit missing from the very top of the '6'.

JJ

wandyprawira · 9 July 2007, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ohlins

my fren's associate owns a fp journe that has spent more time at the workshop than on his wrist......

if there is perfection, there is no need for warranty.......

I would say on contrary. If the manufacturer believes that their products are perfect, then the warranty would be lifetime. Check Snap-On tools and many more.

ohlins · 9 July 2007, 04:18 AM

well....is there any watch manufacture with a life time warranty..???

if every product is perfect then it will never fail ....no need for warranty....

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 July 2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wandyprawira

Means it's hard to be such perfectionist, isn't it Bo?

Yup, indeed, Wandy

But when even Patek sometimes don't get it right, making far less watches than Rolex, IMHO Rolex is doing pretty well.

watchfreak2003 · 9 July 2007, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Spacedweller

Yup, indeed, Wandy

But when even Patek sometimes don't get it right, making far less watches than Rolex, IMHO Rolex is doing pretty well.

Yep - agree

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 July 2007, 04:36 AM

@ Ohlins: Very good point about the warranty!

Why need it if everything Rolex makes is perfect?

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 July 2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by watchfreak2003

Yep - agree

All Danes should agree with one and eachother

Let's have a Carlsberg soon

Speaking of perfectionism: "Patek don't..." should have been "Patek doesn't..."

Unless you see Patek as a group of people.

watchfreak2003 · 9 July 2007, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubuk

if you buy brand new car say when you get it home you notice a fault what would you think sod it quality control is a thing of the past or you buy a TV or food from the supermarket do you not check for quality is ‘nt that’s why Rolex is such a renowned brand because its always been associated with quality may be all these companies should be more quality control. Bentley motor cars are so famous for there quality that’s what you pay for can you image someone buys a Bentley and takes it back to the garage and says to the salesmen I have a fault with my car and the salesmen says well pal if you think the quality is lousy then go and buy a merc instead I think the garage would soon be out of business. If you go out for a meal and you went to a Michelin star restaurant you would expect quality food but at a price that’s what you pay for QUALITY

You can’t compare Bentley and Rolex in terms of quality IMO.

In my book Rolex isn’t a "HIGH" high-end watch brand.
Patek are – and even there faults occurs

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 July 2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by watchfreak2003

You can’t compare Bentley and Rolex in terms of quality IMO.

In my book Rolex isn’t a "HIGH" high-end watch brand.
Patek are – and even there faults occurs

Yup, Rolex is not considered a high-end watch.

Someone here once posted a "World Rank List" of watches:

Tier 1 High End Luxury
a) Patek Phillippe A. Lange & Sohne
b) Audemars Piguet Vacheron Constantin
c) Breguet Glasshutte Original Girrard Perregaux Blancpain
d) Ulysse Nardin Franck Muller Jaeger LeCoultre F.P. Journe

Tier 2 Luxury
a) IWC Rolex Piaget
b) Cartier Chopard Maurice Lacroix
c) Breitling Omega Chronoswiss
d) Bvlgari Zenith

Tier 3 Transitory Luxury
a) Baume & Mercier Raymond Weil
b) Tag Heuer
c)
d)

Tier 4 Basic Luxury
a) Movado Rado
b) Fortis
c) Oris Revue Thommen
d)

I am not sure whether I agree with this list, but at least according to the list, Rolex is quite far down.

wandyprawira · 9 July 2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spacedweller

All Danes should agree with one and eachother

Let's have a Carlsberg soon

I'm Indonesian, but I agree with the Carlsberg time. I'm in I'm in...

watchfreak2003 · 9 July 2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Spacedweller

Let's have a Carlsberg soon

YEP

rolexsubuk · 9 July 2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by watchfreak2003

You can’t compare Bentley and Rolex in terms of quality IMO.

In my book Rolex isn’t a "HIGH" high-end watch brand.
Patek are – and even there faults occurs

rolexsubuk · 9 July 2007, 05:26 AM

carlsberg not beer its water

SPACE-DWELLER · 9 July 2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubuk

carlsberg not beer its water

Well, not if you talk Carlsberg "Master Brew" that is my favourite beer. 10.5 %

And under all standards, Carlsberg is way ahead of your silly LAGER!

rolexsubuk · 9 July 2007, 06:05 AM

what silly lager is that then pal

John Ireland · 9 July 2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexsubuk

Couldn’t agree more with you Larry but to have some problems before you put it on your wrist there’s something wrong there. But like you say it’s a tool its there to be worn a bit of wear and tear after time is to be expected but if I go and buy a Casio or a Seiko you don’t have these sort of problems to start with I have a tag f1 and its shit hot for less than £400.

The nice thing is that the Rolex doesn't cost as much as many many other watches...that also have all these defects...including not keeping time within COSC specs...etc. You'll find imperfection is the story of the human experience...Mercedes, Patek, Lexus, Seiko, sushi, NY steak...etc.

In taking delivery of any new item, it is always advised for the buyer to do a complete inspection of the item before signing the check and any documents. Car dealers love to tell you, when you find a flaw, that they'll take care of it when you bring it in for the first service. I have told them "No, you'll take care of it right now or the deal is off."

One of the great flaws in modern QC is the reliance on machines to spot the flaws. That takes a human eye...just like the customers.

John

Gaijin · 9 July 2007, 06:48 AM

Carlsberg is good beer. Especially on a hot day! Very refreshing!

Drank alot in Thailand!

Tools · 9 July 2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by triton

from the picture, notice the digit 6 with the top missing.

I see that....Is it just a bit of paint, or is the etching that makes up the 6 the defect? Afater a while, the paint does fade and chip out of the stamping.. I'm not saying take a new one that way, just trying to understand the defect better. Paint is sloppy, bad stamping is defect;

bmackinlay · 9 July 2007, 08:08 AM

Man, I still cannot see what all the fuss is about,but then I'm 70+ and I can blame it on age,but I believe people who own a Rolex expect it to be right! I believe " If it's in sight, it's gotta be right" IMO. Hayman4353

triton · 9 July 2007, 09:28 AM

what do u mean by stamping?

Tools · 9 July 2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by triton

what do u mean by stamping?

On the EXP II, The numbers and markers are stamped (recessed) into the bezel. The paint is just added to highlight the stamping.

They appear to be etched but I'm pretty sure they are stamped as a single unit, the unit is sprayed black, then the bezel is brush finished and edged leaving the black paint in the recessed numbers... it's easily touched up.

Thurnau · 9 July 2007, 10:27 AM

One of my DJ's had a mis-aligned crystal when I went to buy it. They re-aligned it before I came back with a credit card.

AdamB · 9 July 2007, 04:16 PM

Mark....I am surprised by what you say, through my own watches, meeting hobbyists and buying and selling on, I would say I have had easily 100 Rolex's through my hands, plenty of which I have taken a loupe too, and I have never had one that I, nor anyone I have sold to, have found defective.

To back four Subs, I would say that maybe your expectations were a little high or unreasonable.

triton · 9 July 2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

On the EXP II, The numbers and markers are stamped (recessed) into the bezel. The paint is just added to highlight the stamping.

They appear to be etched but I'm pretty sure they are stamped as a single unit, the unit is sprayed black, then the bezel is brush finished and edged leaving the black paint in the recessed numbers... it's easily touched up.

get what u mean.

rolexsubuk · 10 July 2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamB

Mark....I am surprised by what you say, through my own watches, meeting hobbyists and buying and selling on, I would say I have had easily 100 Rolex's through my hands, plenty of which I have taken a loupe too, and I have never had one that I, nor anyone I have sold to, have found defective.

To back four Subs, I would say that maybe your expectations were a little high or unreasonable.

A bit unluckily there don’t you think Adam but to be honest although iam not 100% sure out of the 4 I reckon that the AD is to blame for at least three.
The first one a chipped bezel could have been done in the shop they put them in and out every day so it could have fell over and hit another watch
The second it had like a nylon bit on the glass the AD said he could get it out in doing so scratched the back terrible I know it will happen in time but not when you have only had it a day
Third one was defiantly Rolex a mark on the dial. Four maybe the AD again taking a link out maybe he scratches the case you knows but I will have new one in the next few weeks
I still love the watch awesome.

Flyjet601 · 10 July 2007, 09:24 AM

Quality control....it really doesnt matter how much you pay for an item. That is why they give you a warranty.....would you buy anything if they told you "we build it perfect so there is no need for a warranty, so you dont need one!". Dont think so....
A friend of mine bought a new Ferrari, guess what had to take it back to get something fixed.

I bought a recent TT Anniv. GMT II and there is a distortion in the cyclops date window....sh*t happens, I go get it fixed or changed and away we go.

The world is imperfect

wandyprawira · 10 July 2007, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyjet601

Quality control....it really doesnt matter how much you pay for an item. That is why they give you a warranty.....would you buy anything if they told you "we build it perfect so there is no need for a warranty, so you dont need one!". Dont think so....
A friend of mine bought a new Ferrari, guess what had to take it back to get something fixed.

I bought a recent TT Anniv. GMT II and there is a distortion in the cyclops date window....sh*t happens, I go get it fixed or changed and away we go.

The world is imperfect

Just wondering if that Sh!t happens on the flaps, landing gear or spoiler. Do they offer warranty too Larry? You tell me.

ohlins · 10 July 2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wandyprawira

Just wondering if that Sh!t happens on the flaps, landing gear or spoiler. Do they offer warranty too Larry?

that's something else....insurance!!...........

Flyjet601 · 10 July 2007, 01:47 PM

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Flyjet601 · 10 July 2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wandyprawira

Just wondering if that Sh!t happens on the flaps, landing gear or spoiler. Do they offer warranty too Larry? You tell me.

Yep....
and believe me, for +20million $$$, they still dont work.....

9 July 2007, 04:18 AM	#33
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Flyjet601 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hong Kong Watch: All of them Posts: 2,789	Quality control....it really doesnt matter how much you pay for an item. That is why they give you a warranty.....would you buy anything if they told you "we build it perfect so there is no need for a warranty, so you dont need one!". Dont think so.... A friend of mine bought a new Ferrari, guess what had to take it back to get something fixed. I bought a recent TT Anniv. GMT II and there is a distortion in the cyclops date window....sh*t happens, I go get it fixed or changed and away we go. The world is imperfect __________________ I used to be indecisive, now I'm not sure

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bmackinlay "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Bill MacKinlay Location: Dade City, Fl. Watch: 18K Pres.DD 118238 Posts: 476	Man, I still cannot see what all the fuss is about,but then I'm 70+ and I can blame it on age,but I believe people who own a Rolex expect it to be right! I believe " If it's in sight, it's gotta be right" IMO. Hayman4353

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triton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 156	what do u mean by stamping?

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9 July 2007, 04:16 PM	#53
AdamB Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ... Posts: 261	Mark....I am surprised by what you say, through my own watches, meeting hobbyists and buying and selling on, I would say I have had easily 100 Rolex's through my hands, plenty of which I have taken a loupe too, and I have never had one that I, nor anyone I have sold to, have found defective. To back four Subs, I would say that maybe your expectations were a little high or unreasonable.

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