Urgent: Chronometre cert vs guarantee papers

[psv]

I found a vintage 2.2M Rolex that I really like, however it comes with a Grantie/Attestation de Chronometre Officiel paper (punched) which has a number that is different from the serial number on the watch (the latter being 534...)

Reading http://www.rolexephemera.com/info-chronopapers.htm it seems like the older watches had separate guarantee and COSC cert papers, if I understand it correctly.

So could "my" paper be the correct one belonging to the watch?

Thanks!

Patrick

[jedly1]

got some pics of what you mean ...

[psv]

The paper is a genuine one with the red seal in the lower bottom corner (I have a complete scan of the papers but this photo will do for the purpose of this exercise). As you can see the chronometre paper read 534... however the serial number of the watch is 2.2M (1967/68).

Could it be that the paper refers to the certification or serial number of the movement per se (which is what is being COSC tested)? That is what the seller suggested. I thought these punched papers should have the serial numbers on them? Was it different in the 60-ies?

Thanks in advance!

[edited to make sure image shows]

[jedly1]

not showing ....

do you mean the 1675 18kgmt....so the punched paper shown has a different number on ..at 5 million ?

[psv]

Exactly, the serial # of the watch is 2.2M (that number is also on RSC papers from 2 years ago) but the punched papers is showing 5.3M.

I suspect that this paper has nothing to do with this watch per se, I am looking for confirmation.

[jedly1]

Nothing at all to do with it, papers are from another watch.

Btw pics still not showing

[adt]

I have a Bureaux Suisses Chronometer certificate from 1962 but no where on the certificate shows the serial number of the case.

It shows Movement number and certificate number and the normal techincal information with a chop at the bottom.

[psv]

it appears to me that the cert papers included is for a 5.4M serial number watch, which would date it about 10 years later.

[jedly1]

Originally Posted by adt

I have a Bureaux Suisses Chronometer certificate from 1962 but no where on the certificate shows the serial number of the case.

It shows Movement number and certificate number and the normal techincal information with a chop at the bottom.

Yes ... If we talk about the earlier bureau Swiss papers this is of course possible on a few .. But most also have case number written or punched

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by psv

it appears to me that the cert papers included is for a 5.4M serial number watch, which would date it about 10 years later.

Agree. Not a good sign.

[adt]

Originally Posted by jedly1

Yes ... If we talk about the earlier bureau Swiss papers this is of course possible on a few .. But most also have case number written or punched

so some chronometer papers do not have the case number? mine is like that.

patrick those guarantee papers are for another watch for sure. nice looking 1675 though! i see you are close to getting your 18k rolex

[psv]

hey, you can't blame me for trying! :-)

the rest of the watch checks out, I was just thrown off by confusing piece of paper and the story (the seller is obviously not a professional seller. Nor am I...)

thanks guys!

[Beaumont Miller II]

If he is not being forthright about the chronometer papers, it might give me some concern about the watch. Good luck.

[YetiBiker]

Originally Posted by beaumont miller ii

if he is not being forthright about the chronometer papers, it might give me some concern about the watch. Good luck.

+1

[Frogman4me]

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

If he is not being forthright about the chronometer papers, it might give me some concern about the watch. Good luck.

Yeah I agree. Good luck Patrick and let us know what comes of it.

[psv]

The guys checks out with well known refs. He is obviously not a professional seller/collector. Still, I was hoping to find one with papers...

Thanks guys!

[springer]

Originally Posted by psv

it appears to me that the cert papers included is for a 5.4M serial number watch, which would date it about 10 years later.

Your paper is not correct for the watch. The serial number on the papers should match the watch serial number. Somewhere, sometime, someone added the non-matching paper to the watch package.