Crippled Yankees----

[Brunotheboxer]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Breaking news! Yankees are still in 1st place!

I'll be sure to alert the media.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

The money argument is getting old. If teams want players they have to pay for it and guess what if you have a good team, ticket sales increase along with merchandise sales and on and on. I understand not all teams can have the following like NYC but they can put a heck of a lot better product on the field than they are now. 36 million for Kansas City is ridiculous. That is barely more than revenue sharing money that the team receives. NYC plays within the rules, don't hate the team that takes full advantage of the rules. Hate your team that has greedy owners unwilling to spend the money.

These teams take the renvenue sharing money and pocket it and don't spend a dime more to build a good team. I know Pirates have a better team this year but they have been terrible in the past. It is 100$ the owners fault for not spending money. They received over 70 million in 2008/09 for revenue sharing and their payroll was less than 30 million.

Good teams can be build in smaller markets and can create an incredible following if you put a decent product on the field. Unfortunately that isn't happening.

Even though you're arguing against my post, you make some good points.

And, although I'm certain the money argument gets old for Yankees fans, the truth is the Bombers are open to it as long as baseball has such an unlevel playing field.

I would love to see more parity in baseball, much like the NFL where teams continually emerge and compete when just a few years ago they might have been in the cellar.

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Even though you're arguing against my post, you make some good points.

And, although I'm certain the money argument gets old for Yankees fans, the truth is the Bombers are open to it as long as baseball has such an unlevel playing field.

I would love to see more parity in baseball, much like the NFL where teams continually emerge and compete when just a few years ago they might have been in the cellar.

Which team do you support?

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Even though you're arguing against my post, you make some good points.

And, although I'm certain the money argument gets old for Yankees fans, the truth is the Bombers are open to it as long as baseball has such an unlevel playing field.

I would love to see more parity in baseball, much like the NFL where teams continually emerge and compete when just a few years ago they might have been in the cellar.

I agree I would like to see more teams that are competitive. Football is a great example. Look at the following of Green Bay. I know there are less games in football but I still think it shows that a small market team can compete. Too many teams in baseball don't even try to put a decent product on the field.

[NYC6]

Yanks win 5 in a row. CC- 13K 7.3 inning shutout.

[nyyankees]

I don't think so. The only record they have ever broken is an 80 yr losing streak. Sox fans love to whine about the Yanks. Even if they make it this yr the Phillies will give them a spanking!

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

I would love to see more parity in baseball, much like the NFL where teams continually emerge and compete when just a few years ago they might have been in the cellar.

Originally Posted by mtrunner

I agree I would like to see more teams that are competitive. Football is a great example. Look at the following of Green Bay. I know there are less games in football but I still think it shows that a small market team can compete. Too many teams in baseball don't even try to put a decent product on the field.

guys, have you been following the season?

the biggest division lead is about 5 games (phillies - and that's thanks to an historic rotation). the other five divisions have leads of less than 3 games....first time since 1994 it's this close this late. almost 20 out of 30 temas are either leading a divsion or within 6 games of a playoff spot.

that's parity!

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Which team do you support?

Angels fan, but I admit I'm more of a fair-weather baseball fan because of recent changes in the sport. The numbers in baseball used to be interesting, as it allowed for general comparisons between generations. Sure there were years with a juiced-up ball or other anomalies; however, in general it was interesting to see how the old players compared to the new, Bob Gibson to Randy Johnson.

Steroids changed everything. But of course, I--like most of the U.S.--was cheering right along when McGuire and Sosa were having their epic battles. And watching Bonds hit juiced . . . almost not fair. In fact, it wasn't fair. I used to go to Pirates games when his head was normal size. Then it expanded like he was injected with helium from the roids.

Sadly, many baseball fans no longer just "go to a game." They seem to only go when their team is in the chase or winning. When I was a kid, it was just great to go with dad or friends, get a dog and a soda, and watch the game--win or lose.

Now it's all changed. And, of course, prohibitive ticket prices haven't helped either.

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by kingkongkelley

Angels fan, but I admit I'm more of a fair-weather baseball fan because of recent changes in the sport. The numbers in baseball used to be interesting, as it allowed for general comparisons between generations. Sure there were years with a juiced-up ball or other anomalies; however, in general it was interesting to see how the old players compared to the new, Bob Gibson to Randy Johnson.

Steroids changed everything. But of course, I--like most of the U.S.--was cheering right along when McGuire and Sosa were having their epic battles. And watching Bonds hit juiced . . . almost not fair. In fact, it wasn't fair. I used to go to Pirates games when his head was normal size. Then it expanded like he was injected with helium from the roids.

Sadly, many baseball fans no longer just "go to a game." They seem to only go when their team is in the chase or winning. When I was a kid, it was just great to go with dad or friends, get a dog and a soda, and watch the game--win or lose.

Now it's all changed. And, of course, prohibitive ticket prices haven't helped either.

You are totally right about ticket prices. They have really gotten out of hand and who is going to take their family and pay a ton of money to watch a terrible team. It costs a family of four an avg. of 300 bucks to go to the ballpark these days. Like you said you used to be able to go to the ball park for a reasonable price and it didn't matter if your team is good or not.

When I was in grad school in DC in the late 90s and early 00s I would go to the Baltimore games all the time and could go for 5 bucks. It was literally 5 dollars for the bleacher seats. Those prices just don't exist anymore. Plus the food prices were not that outrageous.

[dddrees]

Go Cubbies!!!

Oops wrong thread.

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Go Cubbies!!!

Oops wrong thread.

Another terrible season for Chicago. My wife is also a Cubs fan. Maybe next year.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

Another terrible season for Chicago. My wife is also a Cubs fan. Maybe next year.

Not much new here. Although during the Steroids era we had alot of hope. But 2 broke pitchers, no more Sosa, and 1 Bartman later.................. Oh well.

Go Cubbies!!!

[unclesallie]

Originally Posted by beowulf566

Joking about what I do with my charitable donation is not a joke IMHO.
Obvously you didn't know about his condition, my point exactly "trash talking" and "I understand" is not, oops I am sorry I am a jerk and should keep my mouth shut.Why dont you donate your corvette or your sub to charity.......oh wait its not my place to tell you to do anything with what you own, thats right maybe I should mind my own business.
It is obviously "no skin off your nose" again that is my point exactly. If I said something as classless as that with no knowledge of what I was talking about I would feel horrible about it and apologize.
But that makes me feel all the better for not caring about what you say, your opinion or otherwise from this point forward.
like I said both teams are good with good rosters, there will always be some back and forth between Yankee and Sox Fans I have no problem with that but let us leave it about the teams not personal attacks on people. I really did not appreciate this "gentelmen" telling me in essance that I am a bad person for winning a charity auction and wanting to use what I won from it. Even if it was tongue in cheek it is still classless and rude IMHO.
Back to Baseball........The Sox have stunk recently, but I believe we will still have a good year. The Yankees have a good team too and I am sure we will have plenty of good baseball between the two clubs. GO SOX!!
and to all of you who have wished I have a good time, even if you hope the sox lose
Maybe I am a little sensative about the subject I know the child in questions family and I feel horrible that there is not more I can do. God bless him and his family.

Oh well, let's let this go, and have fun. As a Mod I once knew used to say....this is ONLY a watch forum!

[TPLGT]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Breaking news! Yankees are still in 1st place!

OH Jeez...what happened???

The franchise is going backward...pitching is a joke...AJ??? at 16 per and Bartolo Colon??? what a joke....Cashman...spent 1B thats right, folks.....a BILLLION since he took over the GM job and has 1 WS.....awful!

Here is a fact:

RS are increasing in value and talent while the Spankees and their stupid Band Box of a ball park are tanking like a tech stock in 2000....

Without Texeira the line up is middle of the road at best.

[Brunotheboxer]

Breaking news! Yankees are in second place.

[NYC6]

NY pitching a joke? Chowderhead pitching was supposed to be their claim to fame this year. You only have 2 that are throwing well. Beckett and Lester, thats it! Lackey gets lumped everytime he touches the ball. Your pouty closer has an ERA over 4 and nobody else does much. Money well spent.
NY always finishes strong. A trade or two at the deadline then kick it in OD for the penant race. Right now, Almost neck and neck at the break, I look forward to the second half of the season. I expect the Yankees to take the East. You guys think otherwise, we shall see.

[beowulf566]

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Breaking news! Yankees are in second place.

[mtrunner]

Breaking news there is still half of the season left. The standings mean nothing at this point.

[TPLGT]

Originally Posted by NYC6

NY pitching a joke? Chowderhead pitching was supposed to be their claim to fame this year. You only have 2 that are throwing well. Beckett and Lester, thats it! Lackey gets lumped everytime he touches the ball. Your pouty closer has an ERA over 4 and nobody else does much. Money well spent.
NY always finishes strong. A trade or two at the deadline then kick it in OD for the penant race. Right now, Almost neck and neck at the break, I look forward to the second half of the season. I expect the Yankees to take the East. You guys think otherwise, we shall see.

Yeah, joke.

CC-Legit
AJ- Enough said
Colon- I will not comment
???- Who is number 4??

Nice job on Joba. That kid is good/will be great. Too bad Cashman and the Sons screwed the guy up. Who has 'rules' for new pitcher...absurd!

Mo- he's the man. No doubt about it. A class and nice stuff.

Let's see:

Lester
Beckett
Wake
Buccholz

Miller-Young better than anyone else the Yankees have besides CC
Dice-K...no comment

JP closing- His schtick wears on me but he is consistent.

There is no comparison in the staff.

The lineups are another story.

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Breaking news! Yankees are still in 1st place!

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Breaking news! Yankees are in second place.

[beowulf566]

Anybody know what that brawl was about tonight? I had to step out and when I came back in I caught the tail end........somone get beaned?

[mtrunner]

Originally Posted by TPLGT

Yeah, joke.

CC-Legit
AJ- Enough said
Colon- I will not comment
???- Who is number 4??

Nice job on Joba. That kid is good/will be great. Too bad Cashman and the Sons screwed the guy up. Who has 'rules' for new pitcher...absurd!

Mo- he's the man. No doubt about it. A class and nice stuff.

Let's see:

Lester
Beckett
Wake
Buccholz

Miller-Young better than anyone else the Yankees have besides CC
Dice-K...no comment

JP closing- His schtick wears on me but he is consistent.

There is no comparison in the staff.

The lineups are another story.

Okay let's clear this up:

AJ Burnett is actually having a decent season this year. He was terrible last year but he has an 8-7 record with a 4.12 ERA but more importantly he has pitched late into most games. You make fun of Colon all you want but he has a better ERA than everyone on the Redsox except for Beckett with a 6-4 record. His last outing wasn't good but he was coming off the DL. Before the DL he had gone 4-0 with an ERA of 1.1 in his last four starts. The Yankees have this young pitcher named Nova who has been awesome for a young pitcher. 8-4 record for us. He is legit. Our 5th starter has been Garcia and he has been adequate enough with a 7-6 record with 3.13 ERA but hopefully Hughes can right the ship and be back in the line-up as a legit pitcher.

Now Boston is a mess. Yes Beckett is off the hook and Lester was picthing well as well but he is now on the DL so who knows what he will be like when he returns. Bucholz was playing well but is also on the DL. Andrew Miler has pitched 4 games for Boston and he was terrible before signing with Boston. I doubt it will last and he is certainly not better than every other pitcher on the Yankees. His ERA is hovering around 3.57. Garcia has a beter ERA. And don't even mention Wakefield. The guy is washed up especially when he plays AL teams who have been him multiple times. His ERA is hoovering around 4.57.

I really don't see how you can say Boston pitching is so superior. It just isn't plain and simple.

[Sherwooddavid]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

Okay let's clear this up:

AJ Burnett is actually having a decent season this year. He was terrible last year but he has an 8-7 record with a 4.12 ERA but more importantly he has pitched late into most games. You make fun of Colon all you want but he has a better ERA than everyone on the Redsox except for Beckett with a 6-4 record. His last outing wasn't good but he was coming off the DL. Before the DL he had gone 4-0 with an ERA of 1.1 in his last four starts. The Yankees have this young pitcher named Nova who has been awesome for a young pitcher. 8-4 record for us. He is legit. Our 5th starter has been Garcia and he has been adequate enough with a 7-6 record with 3.13 ERA but hopefully Hughes can right the ship and be back in the line-up as a legit pitcher.

Now Boston is a mess. Yes Beckett is off the hook and Lester was picthing well as well but he is now on the DL so who knows what he will be like when he returns. Bucholz was playing well but is also on the DL. Andrew Miler has pitched 4 games for Boston and he was terrible before signing with Boston. I doubt it will last and he is certainly not better than every other pitcher on the Yankees. His ERA is hovering around 3.57. Garcia has a beter ERA. And don't even mention Wakefield. The guy is washed up especially when he plays AL teams who have been him multiple times. His ERA is hoovering around 4.57.

I really don't see how you can say Boston pitching is so superior. It just isn't plain and simple.

As much as I have to admit it your right,the Sox pitching is a mess right now and I think Becket got hurt last night. Thank God for the All Star break !
If they can hold on the next couple weeks until Lester and Bucholtz get back I think they will be OK.

[Brunotheboxer]

[beowulf566]

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

[beowulf566]

And I watched it today........maybe pitchers will stop talking to trash to papi now

[mtrunner]

Jeter got his 3000th hit on a homerun. Incredible. 4-4 today!

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

Jeter got his 3000th hit on a homerun. Incredible. 4-4 today!

I hate the Yankees of course but giving credit where credit is due the guy has class and will be a hall of famer for sure.

[beowulf566]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

I hate the Yankees of course but giving credit where credit is due the guy has class and will be a hall of famer for sure.

Agreed

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

Jeter got his 3000th hit on a homerun. Incredible. 4-4 today!

make that 5-5 with the winning hit, too.

what a day......