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wandyprawira · 29 July 2007, 01:20 AM

Hi guys,

I need some advice for the best laptop out there, please. Would you pick Toshiba, Fujitsu, or Sony?

Thanks.

ppemilien · 29 July 2007, 02:23 AM

It's all depends on the purpose. When it comes to bussiness IBM and Lenovo are very good. They come with encryption software and a very resistant frame. Maybe you also want to consider the reputation of the after sales customer service

I hope this help a little

Pat

Uncle-AJ · 29 July 2007, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wandyprawira

Hi guys,

I need some advice for the best laptop out there, please. Would you pick Toshiba, Fujitsu, or Sony?

Thanks.

I use a Fujitsu and my wife has a Sony. There pros and cons with both makes so you really need to decide what your priority is. My Fujitsu has bearth for all kinds of memory cards, while my wife's Sony only has an SD and Sony Memory Stick slot. Look carefully at the specs before deciding.

timebroker · 29 July 2007, 03:38 AM

Hi,

I would almost never buy a brand but just look at what is inside.
For instance, NEVER buy a Celeron cpu.

AMD 64 is good imo.
ATI for a graphic card.
RAM memory, it's better to have 1024 MB or at least a laptop that supports more than 512 MB for the future.
MSI is good for almost all parts, especially motherboards.
Make sure that there is room/possibilities for extra hardware if ever you want to do an upgrade.
If you want to watch movies, design things etc, the screen width should be important too. Do not forget resolution and frequency.

If possible try to find one that has all or most software you need, pre installed.

Stick with Windows XP for the time being, Vista is slow and not secure until SP I/II (as were all Windows OS), if you buy a XP system you should get a voucher for upgrading to Vista with the laptop.

Expect to pay at least 700-800 euro for a decent one, probably should be around the same price in dollar.

If you search like this, you will find one that can last 5 years or more unless your needs change.

Happy hunting.

leopardprey · 29 July 2007, 01:47 PM

Been using HPs over the last couple of years. Have held up real nice!

Flyjet601 · 29 July 2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leopardprey

Been using HPs over the last couple of years. Have held up real nice!

I agree. I have a HP now for 2 years, and it has worked flawlessly

........Windows on the other hand

timebroker · 29 July 2007, 03:44 PM

Bought a HP desktop not even a year ago, was greatly disappointed, very slow and poorly built but their laptops always have had nice reviews.
All my previous systems were custom made and never had any major problems with them, then I bought the HP cause it was reasonably cheap and had an AMD cpu so i thought why not ... first time I kicked my PC

wandyprawira · 29 July 2007, 04:00 PM

Thanks for the replies, folks.

It seems nobody was suggesting Toshiba. I've never been wanting a Toshiba for like 10 years because the last one I got was really slow and too much of a problem. However, it was a Pentium 1 back then and now I'm looking at the latest release which is Toshiba Portege M600-E340 with a Core 2 Duo Santa Rosa.

I use a Fujitsu at the moment and I'm quite happy with the performance except the dead pixel on the screen. Previously, I used Thinkpad from IBM but ever since it's branded Lenovo I've lost my temptation.

Do you guys realize that the life cycle of an Intel processor is only like 5 months now before the new release is coming. If you're interested, look at the links here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrin..._Rosa_platform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ge.2C_65_nm.29

From the links it becomes clear that even a laptop was informed to have a Core 2 Duo inside but we have to check which Core 2 Duo. There are a lot of product variations with the same name Core 2 Duo. The latest code name is Santa Rosa with T7300 & T7500 that have 800 MT/s for the Front Side Bus and 4MB L2 Cache. This is exactly why one product of a laptop is more expensive than the other.

JJ Irani · 29 July 2007, 04:13 PM

In my new office, the first dame who sits on my lap, gets to be my permanent laptop!!

Uncle-AJ · 29 July 2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

In my new office, the first dame who sits on my lap, gets to be my permanent laptop!!

Sounds like she could be on a sticky wicket.

wandyprawira · 29 July 2007, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

In my new office, the first dame who sits on my lap, gets to be my permanent laptop!!

JJ Irani · 30 July 2007, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

Sounds like she could be on a sticky wicket.

Rubenonfire · 30 July 2007, 05:59 AM

As it's been said, it depends on the usage. I can't really speak for anything other than the HP Pavilion that I have, but it's everything I need it to be and more. For average use I can't think of anything better. It's fast as all get out, has a BEAUTIFUL huge monitor, full keyboard, HDMI outputs...it's really slick. I custom built it on HP.com, but I admit it's probably more firepower than what the average user would need in a laptop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

In my new office, the first dame who sits on my lap, gets to be my permanent laptop!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

Sounds like she could be on a sticky wicket.

I knew we'd go this route soon...

Randy · 30 July 2007, 07:44 AM

I have had IBM, Dell, and Sony, would not purchase another Sony- Go with IBM or Dell. We have 4 Dell laptops and 2 Dell workstations, exceptional tech support from Dell. Good luck!

ianmedium · 30 July 2007, 09:05 AM

TOSHIBA!!!
I'll champion them. I am writing at this moment on my 4 year old Satellite. It's built like a brick out house, ultra reliable, clear screen, nicley laid out key board and enough usb ports for all my needs!

I can download music no problems, I run xp with all the updates and AVG free anti virus and have never had a problem
After four years of heavy usage the keyboard looks like new and only the track pad has some shine on it.

Also I have had no problems with my celeron proccesor. This computer owes me nothing and the only reason I would change it is to get something higher powered to play flight simulator!! other than that it does everything so well.

I would without hesitation recommend the brand, it will be my next one!
Hope that helps!

S2000 Driver · 30 July 2007, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppemilien

It's all depends on the purpose. When it comes to business IBM and Lenovo are very good. They come with encryption software and a very resistant frame.

timebroker · 30 July 2007, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy

I have had IBM, Dell, and Sony, would not purchase another Sony- Go with IBM or Dell. We have 4 Dell laptops and 2 Dell workstations, exceptional tech support from Dell. Good luck!

Dell actually cut back on customer tech support for maintaining profits some time ago, they lost a lot of customers apparently by doing that.
Still, one of the cheapest and best possibilities out there.

TARDIS · 30 July 2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

Sounds like she could be on a sticky wicket.

Might be stumped as well

TARDIS · 30 July 2007, 11:35 PM

According to the nerd in my family.

APPLE

timebroker · 31 July 2007, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARDIS

According to the nerd in my family.

APPLE

Every family seems to have one but who do you turn to if something goes wrong?

roadcarver · 31 July 2007, 10:38 PM

Good choices on CPU and graphics card

The current company that I work for was ATI, recently bought out by AMD.

Asus and MSI barebones are decent... I have an MSI barebones with an ATI Mobility 9600 GPU.

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebroker

Hi,

I would almost never buy a brand but just look at what is inside.
For instance, NEVER buy a Celeron cpu.

AMD 64 is good imo.
ATI for a graphic card.
RAM memory, it's better to have 1024 MB or at least a laptop that supports more than 512 MB for the future.
MSI is good for almost all parts, especially motherboards.
Make sure that there is room/possibilities for extra hardware if ever you want to do an upgrade.
If you want to watch movies, design things etc, the screen width should be important too. Do not forget resolution and frequency.

If possible try to find one that has all or most software you need, pre installed.

Stick with Windows XP for the time being, Vista is slow and not secure until SP I/II (as were all Windows OS), if you buy a XP system you should get a voucher for upgrading to Vista with the laptop.

Expect to pay at least 700-800 euro for a decent one, probably should be around the same price in dollar.

If you search like this, you will find one that can last 5 years or more unless your needs change.

Happy hunting.

Goodwatch · 1 August 2007, 04:54 AM

I say Dell. Am on my second Dell now and never any problem. I have a Dell Latitude D420 (my laptop needs to be light and small) with a duo core processor and 1 GB of ram. 12" widescreen. Wifi and bluetooth. It comes with a special mediabay which snaps on the underside. This gives me a DVD writer and more ports.

mikesyd · 1 August 2007, 08:15 AM

oh please ....
Thers only one elite laptop out there and it's a MAC..
Macbook and the MacbookPro !!
Never a let down .

timebroker · 1 August 2007, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesyd

oh please ....
Thers only one elite laptop out there and it's a MAC..
Macbook and the MacbookPro !!
Never a let down .

I am writing this post from an Apple, not too fond of it.
If I need software for a PC, just go online and within 2 minutes I'll find freeware or shareware that does the job. Try that with Apple not going to happen

And I do not mean software for writing a letter or anything like that, very specific software for anything you can imagine.
I do like the layout and many ideas they have incorporated in their OS but even then I would never buy an Apple unless it was for the sizes their desktops (mini) and laptops come in.
Known Apple for over 15 years always had good ideas but never convinced it was better than MS Windows if you take into account everything.
If they would have a good virtual pc that does not crash all the time ... sure.

timebroker · 1 August 2007, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Good choices on CPU and graphics card

The current company that I work for was ATI, recently bought out by AMD.

Asus and MSI barebones are decent... I have an MSI barebones with an ATI Mobility 9600 GPU.

AMD recently bought another company as well, cannot remember which one. I do not understand they are still below Intel, their server mobo's and bridges/chipset structures are awesome.
Love ATI and Matrox, were state of the art back in those days, especially the Radeons were excellent.
Is it still true that MSI produces 90% of all GPU's, even for ATI?
ATI/AMD rox, you can never go wrong with them although the Sempron is not all that.

roadcarver · 1 August 2007, 09:54 AM

ATI develops the GPU, but we use other foundries such as TSMC to produce them.

MSI is a partner of ours so they use our ref design to develop their mobo and or graphics card.

Quote:

Originally Posted by timebroker

AMD recently bought another company as well, cannot remember which one. I do not understand they are still below Intel, their server mobo's and bridges/chipset structures are awesome.
Love ATI and Matrox, were state of the art back in those days, especially the Radeons were excellent.
Is it still true that MSI produces 90% of all GPU's, even for ATI?
ATI/AMD rox, you can never go wrong with them although the Sempron is not all that.

GrandDaddy · 1 August 2007, 11:19 AM

AMDs are battery hogs. They're okay if you don't plan on working "unplugged" for long periods of time. If you plan on running your laptop on battery most of the time, Intel will be a better choice. Just IMHO and personal experience.

roadcarver · 1 August 2007, 11:53 AM

That is correct since the second core does not shut down. Future gens will have this corrected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

AMDs are battery hogs. They're okay if you don't plan on working "unplugged" for long periods of time. If you plan on running your laptop on battery most of the time, Intel will be a better choice. Just IMHO and personal experience.

29 July 2007, 01:20 AM	#1
wandyprawira "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: hub Posts: 520	Which laptop? Hi guys, I need some advice for the best laptop out there, please. Would you pick Toshiba, Fujitsu, or Sony? Thanks. __________________

29 July 2007, 04:00 PM	#8
wandyprawira "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: hub Posts: 520	Thanks for the replies, folks. It seems nobody was suggesting Toshiba. I've never been wanting a Toshiba for like 10 years because the last one I got was really slow and too much of a problem. However, it was a Pentium 1 back then and now I'm looking at the latest release which is Toshiba Portege M600-E340 with a Core 2 Duo Santa Rosa. I use a Fujitsu at the moment and I'm quite happy with the performance except the dead pixel on the screen. Previously, I used Thinkpad from IBM but ever since it's branded Lenovo I've lost my temptation. Do you guys realize that the life cycle of an Intel processor is only like 5 months now before the new release is coming. If you're interested, look at the links here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrin..._Rosa_platform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ge.2C_65_nm.29 From the links it becomes clear that even a laptop was informed to have a Core 2 Duo inside but we have to check which Core 2 Duo. There are a lot of product variations with the same name Core 2 Duo. The latest code name is Santa Rosa with T7300 & T7500 that have 800 MT/s for the Front Side Bus and 4MB L2 Cache. This is exactly why one product of a laptop is more expensive than the other. __________________

29 July 2007, 04:13 PM	#9
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	In my new office, the first dame who sits on my lap, gets to be my permanent laptop!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

1 August 2007, 04:54 AM	#22
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	I say Dell. Am on my second Dell now and never any problem. I have a Dell Latitude D420 (my laptop needs to be light and small) with a duo core processor and 1 GB of ram. 12" widescreen. Wifi and bluetooth. It comes with a special mediabay which snaps on the underside. This gives me a DVD writer and more ports. __________________ Member# 127

29 July 2007, 02:23 AM	#2
ppemilien "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 5	It's all depends on the purpose. When it comes to bussiness IBM and Lenovo are very good. They come with encryption software and a very resistant frame. Maybe you also want to consider the reputation of the after sales customer service I hope this help a little Pat

29 July 2007, 03:38 AM	#4
timebroker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Filip Location: Belgium Posts: 1,619	Hi, I would almost never buy a brand but just look at what is inside. For instance, NEVER buy a Celeron cpu. AMD 64 is good imo. ATI for a graphic card. RAM memory, it's better to have 1024 MB or at least a laptop that supports more than 512 MB for the future. MSI is good for almost all parts, especially motherboards. Make sure that there is room/possibilities for extra hardware if ever you want to do an upgrade. If you want to watch movies, design things etc, the screen width should be important too. Do not forget resolution and frequency. If possible try to find one that has all or most software you need, pre installed. Stick with Windows XP for the time being, Vista is slow and not secure until SP I/II (as were all Windows OS), if you buy a XP system you should get a voucher for upgrading to Vista with the laptop. Expect to pay at least 700-800 euro for a decent one, probably should be around the same price in dollar. If you search like this, you will find one that can last 5 years or more unless your needs change. Happy hunting.

29 July 2007, 01:47 PM	#5
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	Been using HPs over the last couple of years. Have held up real nice!

29 July 2007, 03:44 PM	#7
timebroker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Filip Location: Belgium Posts: 1,619	Bought a HP desktop not even a year ago, was greatly disappointed, very slow and poorly built but their laptops always have had nice reviews. All my previous systems were custom made and never had any major problems with them, then I bought the HP cause it was reasonably cheap and had an AMD cpu so i thought why not ... first time I kicked my PC

30 July 2007, 07:44 AM	#14
Randy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Randy Location: Ohio Watch: AP, Rolex, Panerai Posts: 1,241	I have had IBM, Dell, and Sony, would not purchase another Sony- Go with IBM or Dell. We have 4 Dell laptops and 2 Dell workstations, exceptional tech support from Dell. Good luck!

30 July 2007, 09:05 AM	#15
ianmedium Deregistered Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vancouver Watch: Rolex Datejust Posts: 450	TOSHIBA!!! I'll champion them. I am writing at this moment on my 4 year old Satellite. It's built like a brick out house, ultra reliable, clear screen, nicley laid out key board and enough usb ports for all my needs! I can download music no problems, I run xp with all the updates and AVG free anti virus and have never had a problem After four years of heavy usage the keyboard looks like new and only the track pad has some shine on it. Also I have had no problems with my celeron proccesor. This computer owes me nothing and the only reason I would change it is to get something higher powered to play flight simulator!! other than that it does everything so well. I would without hesitation recommend the brand, it will be my next one! Hope that helps!

30 July 2007, 11:35 PM	#19
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	According to the nerd in my family. APPLE

1 August 2007, 08:15 AM	#23
mikesyd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Mike Location: Sweden Posts: 12	oh please .... Thers only one elite laptop out there and it's a MAC.. Macbook and the MacbookPro !! Never a let down .

1 August 2007, 11:19 AM	#27
GrandDaddy Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 576	AMDs are battery hogs. They're okay if you don't plan on working "unplugged" for long periods of time. If you plan on running your laptop on battery most of the time, Intel will be a better choice. Just IMHO and personal experience.

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