So what part of Europe are you from?

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by timebroker

"Wir haben es nicht gewusst". Something like that?

Oh Fillip,they knew very well."Bad planning" the official reason.The truth is 80k Boers were winning against 356k British soldiers.They were losing the war,before the concentration camps were created.A child under 5,did not make it.Simple.14 of my direct family died in the Vereeniging concentration camp alone.Their names are inscribed on the memorial A quarter of the nations women and children died in the camps.
From this, the sense of self protectionism ,arose which played a large part in the history ,later on. Perhaps this is not that well known.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

Chris,

I see English genetics are noticeably absent.

You must speak Afrikaans which is derived from my parents' mother tongue, Dutch.

My father -- who is now in his mid-80s -- told me of how he was taught in grammar school about the Boer War.

I bet most people are not aware that the English 'invented' large-scale concentration camps there where Afrikaners were held and starved and half the child population died.


Boer women and children in a concentration camp

Afrikaans is my heart and soul.I think in Afrikaans.It is a wonderfully expressive language.

"O Boere taal ,jou het ek lief,bo alles"
"Oh,Boere language,you I love above anything else"

9 out of 10 that died in the camps were children ,under 10 years of age.

We had to apologize for Apartheid for decades,yet NEVER did we receive an apology.

"The Scorched Earth" ... a wonderful documentary regarding this subject.Also,Deneys Reitz "Commando" an excellent read,about the experience of war through the eyes of an 18 year old soldier.Fascinating.

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

...Also, Deneys Reitz "Commando" an excellent read, about the experience of war through the eyes of an 18 year old soldier. Fascinating.

I just ordered this book based on your recommendation:

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

I just ordered this book based on your recommendation:

Enjoy !!

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

Enjoy !!

Looking forward to it!

Unfortunately, The Scorched Earth documentary is not available on video in the US.

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

A quarter of the nations women and children died in the camps....

Fascinating web site:

The Concentration Camps: 1899 - 1902

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

I am well aware of it and I'm not proud of it.

We are aware of it,but we also dont dwell in the past ..

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

Fascinating web site:

The Concentration Camps: 1899 - 1902

Interesting .... One of the bitter ender generals that did not sign the peace treaty of Vereeniging and who wanted to fight to the end,has the same first names and surname as I do.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

Fascinating web site:

The Concentration Camps: 1899 - 1902

My family was in the Heilbron and Vereeniging concentration camps.My great grandmother on my mothers side, lost two children in the Heilbron camp.Great grandfather died from measles in the veld.His grave is next to the Vereeniging memorial.

The picture of Lizzie van Zyl,the most well known.

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

I am from Africa, but am Dutch, German and French genetically. I am an Afrikaner.

Hi Chris,

Wow -- you are the real deal!



Afrikaner

History

Origins of ethnic group
Afrikaners are descended from northwestern European settlers who first arrived in the Cape of Good Hope during the period of administration (1652–1795) by the Dutch East India Company (Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie or VOC). While the original settlers came mainly from the Netherlands, their numbers were also swelled later by French and German religious refugees. Their antecendents were primarily Dutch Calvinists and Flemish, together with smaller numbers of German Protestants, French Huguenots, Frisians and Walloons.


Romanticised painting of an account of the arrival of
Jan van Riebeeck.

The original intention by the Dutch who first settled at the Cape in 1652 was to establish a geographically limited refreshment station for the Dutch East India Company. The arrival in 1688 of a small group of French Huguenots who had escaped Catholic religious persecution added new blood and increased the settlers' numbers. Some of the colonists from other parts of Europe (e.g. Scandinavia, Portugal, and Spain) were later also incorporated into what today comprises Afrikaners.

The first person on record as referring to himself as an "Afrikaner" was Hendrik Biebouw, who, in March 1707, stated that he was an Afrikaner and did not want to leave Africa. Biebouw meant by this claim to resist his expulsion from the Cape Colony, as ordered by the magistrate of Stellenbosch.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner

[timebroker]

Didn't know about the concentration camps.
We can only imagine what went on in those places except from books and movies.

Schindler's list was partially based on interviews with all remaining survivors who wanted to have their memories recorded for mankind, so we will never forget what we are capable of.

6.5 million people still speak Afrikaans to this day?
Some words are really funny for dutch speaking people, like 'dustbin' cannot remember in Afrikaans

[Launch Mini]

Not from Europe, but from Canada,
the only country to have ever burned down the White House.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by S2000 Driver

Hi Chris,

Wow -- you are the real deal!



Afrikaner

History

Origins of ethnic group
Afrikaners are descended from northwestern European settlers who first arrived in the Cape of Good Hope during the period of administration (1652–1795) by the Dutch East India Company (Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie or VOC). While the original settlers came mainly from the Netherlands, their numbers were also swelled later by French and German religious refugees. Their antecendents were primarily Dutch Calvinists and Flemish, together with smaller numbers of German Protestants, French Huguenots, Frisians and Walloons.


Romanticised painting of an account of the arrival of
Jan van Riebeeck.

The original intention by the Dutch who first settled at the Cape in 1652 was to establish a geographically limited refreshment station for the Dutch East India Company. The arrival in 1688 of a small group of French Huguenots who had escaped Catholic religious persecution added new blood and increased the settlers' numbers. Some of the colonists from other parts of Europe (e.g. Scandinavia, Portugal, and Spain) were later also incorporated into what today comprises Afrikaners.

The first person on record as referring to himself as an "Afrikaner" was Hendrik Biebouw, who, in March 1707, stated that he was an Afrikaner and did not want to leave Africa. Biebouw meant by this claim to resist his expulsion from the Cape Colony, as ordered by the magistrate of Stellenbosch.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaner

"The Real Deal" ...almost sounds like a WWF wrestler ,but yes,I guess I am the real deal concidering origin.

Scandinavian,Spain,Portugal ... I dont think thats very factually correct.If so, in very limited numbers.Most Portoguese came from Mozambique and Angola,late in the 20th century.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by timebroker

Didn't know about the concentration camps.
We can only imagine what went on in those places except from books and movies.

Schindler's list was partially based on interviews with all remaining survivors who wanted to have their memories recorded for mankind, so we will never forget what we are capable of.

6.5 million people still speak Afrikaans to this day?
Some words are really funny for dutch speaking people, like 'dustbin' cannot remember in Afrikaans

People capable of speaking Afrikaans are much more.As a home language,about 7 million.Afrikaners,about 4.5 million,of these 3.5 million in SA and about 1 million,in mostly ~ UK,Aus,NZ,Canada and the US.

Some words have a different meaning.For us the Dutch for a cattle farmer and cat,is strange ...

[ADISMO]

TRANSYLVANIA, home of Vlad Tepes aka Dracula. You can "count" on me loving my SD.

Edited: because TRF isn't a place for that other kind of politics.

[Blue Bull]

Originally Posted by ADISMO

TRANSYLVANIA, home of Vlad Tepes aka Dracula. You can "count" on me loving my SD.

Edited: because TRF isn't a place for that other kind of politics.

"Staked" anybody recently ?? Btw,his castle was up for sale about a month ago.

[TARDIS]

.....,but we also dont dwell in the past ..

[ianmedium]

We had to apologize for Apartheid for decades


And Hopefully will continue to do so!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by leopardprey

So what part of Europe are you from?


The part where we kicked your Ass?

or

The part where we saved your Ass?














PS. If you are from the UK you get to answer yes to both of the above! LOL LOL LOL Happy 4th of July!

Scotland, where Mel Gibson kicked everybodys ass.

[leopardprey]

My Brother's wife is from Scotland! Her family is from North Berick (sic?) and still lives there. Was a great traditional wedding my brother had over there about 7 years ago. We all wore Tuxedos and Kilts for the wedding. I was the Best Man.

I got in trouble with a couple of the Scottish Blokes who worked for me in Iraq. LOL

I was telling them how my Brother and his Scottish Wife have a Daughter (5yrs old) and Son (4 years old). I was telling them how my niece will state she is Scottish and say but that her little brother is American.

The Scots working for me asked why that was so? I replied "well, my nephew has a set of balls!"

They did not talk to me for several days!

[Andad]

That's .

If they were true Scots 'yid hiv got the heeder'.

[Andad]

That's

If they were true Scots 'yid hiv got the heeder'.

[Andad]

Twice.

[leopardprey]

Yeah, I was running scared from those Scottish Blokes more than I was the Iraqi Insurgents over the next week! LOL

But, they set themselves up for it! LOL

To be honest, there has not been a Scottish Bloke I have met yet that I dont like, same with the Kiwis. And the Kiwis, Brits, and Aussie I had on my project were the best! The Kiwis were always laid back and did what ever I asked of them "No dramas Mate" Great group of guys.

I had a great time in Scotland. What a beautiful country! Can't wait to get back to Scotland (and South Africa as many of the above post have ben talking about!). LOved driving around Loch Ness area! One of these days want to hike the entire length of the Scotish Highlanders Trail in one setting.

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by leopardprey

Yeah, I was running scared from those Scottish Blokes more than I was the Iraqi Insurgents over the next week! LOL

But, they set themselves up for it! LOL

To be honest, there has not been a Scottish Bloke I have met yet that I dont like, same with the Kiwis. And the Kiwis, Brits, and Aussie I had on my project were the best! The Kiwis were always laid back and did what ever I asked of them "No dramas Mate" Great group of guys.

I had a great time in Scotland. What a beautiful country! Can't wait to get back to Scotland (and South Africa as many of the above post have ben talking about!). LOved driving around Loch Ness area! One of these days want to hike the entire length of the Scotish Highlanders Trail in one setting.

Never have been to Scotland or Kiwi country but the ones I met traveling all were great guys ... and girls btw

[Obsession]

Very very unfortunutely I'm from the eastest part of the Europe which is Istanbul/Turkey I ve 2 houses at Europe continent 1 house at Asia continent in Istanbul. I want to go to abroad and leave this country as soon as possible and I can do nothing for now...

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by Obsession

Very very unfortunutely I'm from the eastest part of the Europe which is Istanbul/Turkey I ve 2 houses at Europe continent 1 house at Asia continent in Istanbul. I want to go to abroad and leave this country as soon as possible and I can do nothing for now...

Eventually Turkey will be taken into the European Union all be it for the wrong reasons.

[leopardprey]

Both New Zealand and Turkey are both on my list to travel to! Both have great Hunting and Trekking!

But, Aykun, I can understand your concerns.

[S2000 Driver]

Originally Posted by leopardprey

...there has not been a Scottish Bloke I have met yet that I dont like, same with the Kiwis...

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by leopardprey

Both New Zealand and Turkey are both on my list to travel to! Both have great Hunting and Trekking!

But, Aykun, I can understand your concerns.

At the risk of being fried by some of the kiwis here
I spoke with a french retired guy when traveling in India.
He rode through the entire world (one trip was from Mexico to Chili!) on a bicycle and said New Zealand/Australia is great but the most beautiful country/part of the world was Tasmania?
Did mention the winds were horrible at times in the mountains.
Anybody ever been there?
Am thinking of moving to New Zealand/Australia in a couple of years, maybe Tasmania if it is that beautiful.