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Nick Hacko · 8 August 2007, 01:35 PM

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JJ Irani · 8 August 2007, 05:33 PM

Nick, YOU are asking US?????

We thought you were the expert on Rolex.....and I was quite clearly under the impression that all 31 jewels in a Rolex were FUNCTIONAL ones!!

If you are now trying to say that there actually are NON-FUNCTIONAL jewels in a Rolex, I am very dsiappointed.

JJ

Lol-x · 8 August 2007, 06:32 PM

My guess is that this jewel works in conjunction with several other components that are situated around the edge of the date ring.
The jewel provides a point for enabling the date ring to rotate smoothly when it come time to change every 24 hours, and also with the other positioning components around the edge of the date ring assists in ensuring correct positioning of the date ring.

padi56 · 8 August 2007, 06:39 PM

Perhaps its the fact that 31 sounds better than 30 and we all know bigger is always better.

Henry T · 8 August 2007, 06:47 PM

Would Rolex put in more jewels just to make up the numbers? Hmm.

padi56 · 8 August 2007, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry T

Would Rolex put in more jewels just to make up the numbers? Hmm.

Well at one time in the watch jewel war in the 60s and 70s some
watches were boasting 100 jewels.But only 15 to 17 were on the
working parts rest were purely cosmetic.

^fai^ · 8 August 2007, 07:15 PM

Since you was saying "obviously support jewels for calendar ring" and why not using 2 or 4 or even more, but 3. I believed 3 dummy jewels (3 points = balanced) itself will has their self-alignment or blancing in order to allowed the calendar ring balanced.

This is just my thinking...

SPACE-DWELLER · 8 August 2007, 09:42 PM

Could they be there just for decorative purposes?

Nick Hacko · 8 August 2007, 09:48 PM

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Dan Pierce · 8 August 2007, 09:52 PM

Beats the hell out of me.

dP

Henry T · 8 August 2007, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacedweller

Could they be there just for decorative purposes?

Put it there for decoration and then cover it up so no one can see it? Makes no sense.

Maybe what padi said is correct, 31 sure sounds better and bigger than 30.

SPACE-DWELLER · 8 August 2007, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry T

Put it there for decoration and then cover it up so no one can see it? Makes no sense.

Maybe what padi said is correct, 31 sure sounds better and bigger than 30.

Well, in fact much decoration on the movement is done in place you normally cannot really see.

Rolex does it. And Patek does it to a great extend, also on models that do not have a see-through glass back

SSD · 8 August 2007, 10:22 PM

Is the part in which this jewel is mounted shared by any other cal. movement? This is also way out in left field I know, but could a jewel, in any way, serve to attenuate vibration? It does not appear the jewel is tall enouth to touch the dial... Maybe it really is for bragging purposes.

By the way, excellent photos.

Lol-x · 8 August 2007, 11:20 PM

I like Jamie's suggestion, an attenuator

Man the darn jewel must have some practical function, I'll be gutted if it is just for marketing purposes.

Ironstark, Vanessa please help

Rockrolex · 8 August 2007, 11:25 PM

I have one question. Where's the battery?

Lol-x · 9 August 2007, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

I have one question. Where's the battery?

Didn't you know its AC 110/240V

Rockrolex · 9 August 2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Didn't you know its AC 110/240V

Then where's the extension cord?

Solar · 9 August 2007, 01:46 AM

The reason is to have a spare for the watchmaker; they had to drill the spot to maintain balance, and to equalise the drilled out material put in a non-funtioning jewel so that if the watch went in for service many years later, the spare part would be there in the event that the same type/density/size of jewel was hard to get in the future. If the spare was used, the weight deficeit would be negligible enough. The idea being that the imbalance casued by any possible weight difference would be outweighed by the need for a new jewel, a much more serious requirement.

Just my thoughts,

Chris

Tools · 9 August 2007, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Hacko

........

Ironstark? Vanessa? Anyone else?

Oh sure....go to the Rolex people.....

I think it's a spare....You know, like a spare tire....You never know when one of your jewels will go flat....

edited: Oops, Chris, guess we were on the same wavelength.

nko51 · 9 August 2007, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Nick, YOU are asking US?????

JJ

SSD · 9 August 2007, 02:11 AM

Al could always remove it with his grinder when he cleans it...

ratae1950 · 9 August 2007, 03:40 AM

Being completely ignorant of watch movements of any kind....

Could the hole be a 'place holder' for the Day function that might utilize the basic movement frame.....?

Jocke · 9 August 2007, 05:52 AM

Nick.

Could it have something to do with the day wheel in a cal 3155? I suppose
both movements have the same plate. Just a guess.

Jocke

mickiratt · 9 August 2007, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

Nick.

Could it have something to do with the day wheel in a cal 3155? I suppose
both movements have the same plate. Just a guess.

Jocke

That sounds logical to me as well. Also, Maybe that particular jewel is not counted as part of the "31."

Nick Hacko · 9 August 2007, 07:36 AM

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Lol-x · 9 August 2007, 07:51 PM

Come on, someone has to know the answer to this

jac67 · 9 August 2007, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

I think it's a spare....You know, like a spare tire....You never know when one of your jewels will go flat....

Yeah, I just opened up my Sub, and I found a spare winding crown in there.

John.

miner · 9 August 2007, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jac67

Yeah, I just opened up my Sub, and I found a spare winding crown in there.

John.

Might as well change the oil while you're there. Couple of pints of Castrol GTX works best I reckon..

wandyprawira · 9 August 2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jac67

Yeah, I just opened up my Sub, and I found a spare winding crown in there.

John.

It's good to have spares of everything, I guess. I hope there were a spare of the case and bracelet in there.

Earl · 10 August 2007, 02:44 AM

I think this is going to be a really short thread since the majority of us are not watch makers and offer only our idea's :o)

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8 August 2007, 06:32 PM	#3
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,588	My guess is that this jewel works in conjunction with several other components that are situated around the edge of the date ring. The jewel provides a point for enabling the date ring to rotate smoothly when it come time to change every 24 hours, and also with the other positioning components around the edge of the date ring assists in ensuring correct positioning of the date ring.

8 August 2007, 07:15 PM	#7
^fai^ Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Singapore Posts: 231	Since you was saying "obviously support jewels for calendar ring" and why not using 2 or 4 or even more, but 3. I believed 3 dummy jewels (3 points = balanced) itself will has their self-alignment or blancing in order to allowed the calendar ring balanced. This is just my thinking...

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Solar "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North America Watch: their hands, baby. Posts: 1,116	The reason is to have a spare for the watchmaker; they had to drill the spot to maintain balance, and to equalise the drilled out material put in a non-funtioning jewel so that if the watch went in for service many years later, the spare part would be there in the event that the same type/density/size of jewel was hard to get in the future. If the spare was used, the weight deficeit would be negligible enough. The idea being that the imbalance casued by any possible weight difference would be outweighed by the need for a new jewel, a much more serious requirement. Just my thoughts, Chris

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