And this, ladies & gentlemen, is how you purchase a Rolex!!

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

I really hope that your Expy is a keeper JJ. I will never tell you which watch to keep or not but the Expy has such a special place here in TRF I think. It is probably the most photographed Expy on here.

No worries, Jerome....it has virtually become my daily beater and I'm wearing it now even as I type this message.

Cheers - JJ

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by bayhillrolex

What power loupe should you use ??
I'm a numismatist and commonly use a 5x to inspect coins (This all you really should need for coins)

10x should be adequate and can easily spot any flaw on the dial or bezel.

JJ

Originally Posted by USMCsilver

10x is common in the jewelry world. However, I, myself, would never use one. I look at diamonds with loupes, that's it.

Like Nick said, no watch is perfect. If there's something wrong with the watch, so be it. If I never see it, I'll never know it is there. Hell, as soon as I walk out of the door, it's gonna get scratched. It's a watch -- who cares?

I only use the loupe to spot a flaw (if there is one and Rolex QC has missed it) on the dial. That's the main spot where the flaw can usually be detected.

I've never come across a Rolex with a defective bezel or bracelet.....or even watchcase which is usually well protected with the plastic stickers.

It's always the DIAL that has some fault or the other. Fortunately, it's very rare....but why take a chance?

So I make it a firm point to always examine the DIAL BEFORE plonking down a single cent by way of payment.

JJ

[Andad]

I have some specks on the dial of my DD. They are not on the original pix I took when I bought it. When I look at them with a 15x loupe I can clearly see that they are flecks of gold. I'm going to wait until I can see more of them and melt them down for a few $$$'s.
I will put the DD on my microscope at 100x and post a pix. I should use the microscope for my AD inspections and why not, I am paying the dollars for Rolex 'quality'.

[timebroker]

Inspected a DJ with a loupe yesterday, if I would not have done that I probably would have bought a fake one ... simple as that, everything was scary perfect on the dial except the crown was off centered to the 12 o'clock.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by timebroker

Inspected a DJ with a loupe yesterday, if I would not have done that I probably would have bought a fake one ... simple as that, everything was scary perfect on the dial except the crown was off centered to the 12 o'clock.

Probably you didn't use the loupe right! It is rocket science to use a loupe, as Nick states!

C'mon! Look again! There MUST be a flaw!

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by directioneng

The best way is to buy one of JJ's FLIPPERS.

Who bought his TT Blue Sub btw?



We still haven't seen that proof that he actually still has it (a pic of it on today's newspaper where you can see the date would be preferred!)

[Atomant]

JJ u should include a checklist for dial fault too!

[Atomant]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

10x should be adequate and can easily spot any flaw on the dial or bezel.

JJ



I only use the loupe to spot a flaw (if there is one and Rolex QC has missed it) on the dial. That's the main spot where the flaw can usually be detected.

I've never come across a Rolex with a defective bezel or bracelet.....or even watchcase which is usually well protected with the plastic stickers.

It's always the DIAL that has some fault or the other. Fortunately, it's very rare....but why take a chance?

So I make it a firm point to always examine the DIAL BEFORE plonking down a single cent by way of payment.

JJ

It's much easier to replace the bezel, bracelet or crown than the dial. I'm not a watch maker but I believe you need to remove the back case, the movement before you can reach the dial? So yes, I think a dial that is free from defects right off the factory is more important as it would probably take more work to replace the dial. I would rather my brand new TT sub be 100% dial free of defects than to have the RSC replace the dial on it even if it's covered under warrantee.

[leopardprey]

Scratch on the bezel or bracelet is not really a big deal to me, as I am going to put those on myself withing a couple weeks of wearing. But, the Dial. That is a different matter. There is only one way for a scratch, blemish, lint, etc.. to be there and that is through poor QC.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Atomant

JJ u should include a checklist for dial fault too!

I'm not JJ, but I would do the following (and DID so when I bought my recent Sub Date):

1) Bring your OWN X 10 watch maker's loupe (the kind you can hold with your eyes)

2) Be sure to have GOOD light conditions while inspecting the watch.

3) Be SYSTEMATIC when inspecting the dial. Don't just light a "bit there and then a bit there", but:

a) First let the light catch the DIAL from an ANGLE, and then inspect the dial with the loupe for any imperfections. Then:

b) inspection the dial directly vertically down to see if there is dust collected on the dial (sometimes there IS!). Then:

4) Inspect EVERY LETTER and LINE in the "Rolex" printing, starting with "Rolex" and ending with "Certified".

5) Inspect every hour marker, one at a time

6) Inspect the hands (for example: Does the red paint on the GMT hand to all the way down to the triangle?). Sometimes you see finger prints (smudge) on the hands, too!

7) Inspect the REST of the watch (case, bracelet and clasp)

[Nick Hacko]

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[Flyjet601]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Sorry, Nick, but I find your reply to be rather obnoxious, pompous and demeaning.

I don't think I'm making a fool of myself by asking the AD for a loupe. Yes, I jolly well know how to use one.....been using one for almost 30 bloody years.

And as much as I love Rolex (you'd be hard pressed to find a greater die hard fan then me)....I think Rolex QC sucks at times.

I myself made the fatal mistake of going home with a white Exp-II three years ago and then found a large gash running through the black coronet on the dial.

Naturally, the papers had already been stamped and signed so I couldn't return the watch. Took it back to the AD for a dial change and all that took almost a month.

So I just try to be careful and examine the dial very carefully before the final payment.

What's so difficult to use in a loupe? A long as you get the correct magnification, I see no problem. I know how to use one so how the hell can you be so pompous in assuming that I don't know how to use one??

My ADs respect me and also respect my knowledge on the subject; so I don't need you or any other smartass watchmaker to teach me about the basics of Rolex.

And while on the subject, wasn't it you who only a few days ago was asking us laymen about some non-functional jewels in a Rolex?

Thank you - JJ

I agree with you JJ, that the QC at Rolex is probably average at best. My 116713 LN I just got a few months ago had a defective cyclops date magnifier. Took it to Rolex HK and got it fixed, but how does something like that get thru QC? Unless they have robots doing the QC also....

Nothing wrong inspecting before you buy. And I dont think using a loupe is that complicated......look thru it and see what you see, only bigger.

[Blue Bull]

Why members want to pack up and leave,after some slight altercation, is beyond me ......

[Arby]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... can cooler heads prevail here? I've been here only a few months now and seen how these arguments get completely blown out of proportion. Once you fellas settle down and think it over it's only a place for enthusiests to talk about watches.

Nick, your opinion of us not knowing how to use a loupe as a blanket statement may be true in my point (I had no idea what a loupe was a few years ago). But some people like JJ (and others) that do know how to use one may have been taken aback and thought it may have been snobbish.

In JJ's case it may have been a case of Sheep Deprevation... umm... I mean Sleep Deprevation (I'm joking )

There's been a couple of high profile members falling on swords lately making a big production of leaving. This may not be one of the bigger production jobs but it is one none the less. Once you say you're leaving it makes it hard to come back when you think it over and see how foolish the argument was. Nick, if you are going to leave, then leave. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your informative posts. Hate to see it end over such a paultry reason as being able to or not being able to use a Loupe...

P.S. For those now knowing how to use a loupe I Yahoo Searched "how to loupe" and found 10+ pages on directions.

[dman]

Your way, my way. Pick up the phone, tell my favorite saleslady, who is tre hottie btw, what I am looking for. She knows all the numbers for Panerai and some Rolex too I think. Get a guess on timeframe for arrival or shipping. She overnights the watch to a friend in a neighbor state, I overnight a check. Two days later I get the watch and swear this one I will keep for a long time.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Nick Hacko

JJ:

>so I don't need you or any other smartass watchmaker to teach me about the basics of Rolex.

Mate,

couple weeks ago you've called me a bugger. I did not took it seriousely, but this time I had enough. Calling me a smartass watchmaker is slightly over the top.

I am not paid to post here and I am not seeking publicity.
By the time you read this post I will be unsubscribed and gone from Rolex forum forever. No hard feelings my friend, the life will go on. Happy collecting and take care.

Cheerio to all good friends I've had priviledge to meet here
and to moderators who are doing fine job.

Yours truly,

Nick Hacko,
Master Watchmaker and Jeweller, Sydney

Nick, you called JJ a clown for using a loupe, he called you a smartass watchmaker. Two wrongs don't make a right, but if you wanna think you're big enough to dish it out, you'd jolly well better grow up and be big enough to take what's returned. The disrespectful tone was set by you in the first place with obnoxious comments like "if you want to make a clown of yourself", so you've got no place bleating now.

I've had enough of cleaning up your mess everytime you go over the top with your keyboard. Just a little over a week ago I tried talking to you nicely about this in private, but apparently that was a waste of my time, so no more Mr Nice Guy. If you want to start something, don't go throwing your toys out of the pram when you get a taste of your own medicine.

[C.J.]

Originally Posted by Blue Bull

Why members want to pack up and leave,after some slight altercation, is beyond me ......

You and me both, Chris.....You and me both

[astcell]

16. Repeat monthly.

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Nick Hacko

JJ:

>so I don't need you or any other smartass watchmaker to teach me about the basics of Rolex.

Mate,

couple weeks ago you've called me a bugger. I did not took it seriousely, but this time I had enough. Calling me a smartass watchmaker is slightly over the top.

I am not paid to post here and I am not seeking publicity.
By the time you read this post I will be unsubscribed and gone from Rolex forum forever. No hard feelings my friend, the life will go on. Happy collecting and take care.

Cheerio to all good friends I've had priviledge to meet here
and to moderators who are doing fine job.

Yours truly,

Nick Hacko,
Master Watchmaker and Jeweller, Sydney

Nick, I have observed that you can dish it out, but you can't take it in return.

My only thought is -- Don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Nick Hacko

JJ:

>so I don't need you or any other smartass watchmaker to teach me about the basics of Rolex.

Mate,

couple weeks ago you've called me a bugger. I did not took it seriousely, but this time I had enough. Calling me a smartass watchmaker is slightly over the top.

I am not paid to post here and I am not seeking publicity.
By the time you read this post I will be unsubscribed and gone from Rolex forum forever. No hard feelings my friend, the life will go on. Happy collecting and take care.

Cheerio to all good friends I've had priviledge to meet here
and to moderators who are doing fine job.

Yours truly,

Nick Hacko,
Master Watchmaker and Jeweller, Sydney

[JJ Irani]

Hi guys,

In conclusion, I can only add that I'm sorry to see Nick leave.

I honestly started this thread half in jest (as always) but also with an undertone of help to newbies who are always wondering how they should obtain their very first Rolex.

I was mainly trying to help them (of course, in my own silly style)....but I wasn't expecting this thread to escalate to this level.

Let's all just carry on with the usual watch banter please.

Thanks - JJ

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hi guys,

In conclusion, I can only add that I'm sorry to see Nick leave.

I honestly started this thread half in jest (as always) but also with an undertone of help to newbies who are always wondering how they should obtain their very first Rolex.

I was mainly trying to help them (of course, in my own silly style)....but I wasn't expecting this thread to escalate to this level.

Let's all just carry on with the usual watch banter please.

Thanks - JJ

[Tools]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

...I honestly started this thread half in jest (as always) ..


Let's all just carry on with the usual watch banter please.

Thanks - JJ

JJ,
You need to be more like me......and never do anything even

halfway in jest...or toungue in cheek either....

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Tools

JJ,
You need to be more like me......and never do anything even

halfway in jest...or toungue in cheek either....

DOH!

Then it wouldn't be the same JJ anymore, and the sheep wouldn't like him anymore either!

[advocatia]

Originally Posted by dman

Your way, my way. Pick up the phone, tell my favorite saleslady, who is tre hottie btw, what I am looking for. She knows all the numbers for Panerai and some Rolex too I think. Get a guess on timeframe for arrival or shipping. She overnights the watch to a friend in a neighbor state, I overnight a check. Two days later I get the watch and swear this one I will keep for a long time.

Daren: Did you ever get the new SSGMTII ?

[Obsession]

unfortunutely, none of them I just look from the window since 7 years to Oyster Collection and in few minutes I leave and after few minutes again I come back and look again to the beauty of watches in that decoration and throw this dream to my heart that's all, I'm sure that if I enter inside they will not care about me cause I cant buy a TT yet and I dont want SS.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Obsession

unfortunutely, none of them I just look from the window since 7 years to Oyster Collection and in few minutes I leave and after few minutes again I come back and look again to the beauty of watches in that decoration and throw this dream to my heart that's all, I'm sure that if I enter inside they will not care about me cause I cant buy a TT yet and I dont want SS.

Patience, my friend.....it will come.....just you wait and see!!

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Obsession

unfortunutely, none of them I just look from the window since 7 years to Oyster Collection .............. I'm sure that if I enter inside they will not care about me cause I cant buy a TT yet and I dont want SS.

That's right....If you don't get the one you really want; the desire will never go away..

[timebroker]

Originally Posted by Obsession

unfortunutely, none of them I just look from the window since 7 years to Oyster Collection and in few minutes I leave and after few minutes again I come back and look again to the beauty of watches in that decoration and throw this dream to my heart that's all, I'm sure that if I enter inside they will not care about me cause I cant buy a TT yet and I dont want SS.

If you feel like that about watches, why not make a hobby out of buying and selling watches, one at a time, steadily growing and eventually you can buy the one you want to keep from the small profits you make, start with Seiko for instance?
Every watch has a buyer ...

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by Obsession

unfortunutely, none of them I just look from the window since 7 years to Oyster Collection and in few minutes I leave and after few minutes again I come back and look again to the beauty of watches in that decoration and throw this dream to my heart that's all, I'm sure that if I enter inside they will not care about me cause I cant buy a TT yet and I dont want SS.

It will be celebration time BIG time here on TRF when you finally get your TT Rolex.

I hope you get it soon