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Old 9 October 2011, 08:34 AM   #31
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I love Apple products and do not care about the stigma that might be attached to this type of affair. I purchased them with my hard earned money and enjoy the use of them so why should one be stigmatized for it? Cheers!
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Old 9 October 2011, 08:40 AM   #32
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Im an ex I.T. and never drank the Apple Kool-aid. IMHO it all connects to the same internet. The Dell laptop I use cost about half of an Apple would with the same confi...
I just dont see paying more for a intel based chip but to me its just a tool....to some Appleheads its a lifestyle.
My buddy from IBM should have worked for Apple, every new product they put out he was the first in line to get it.
He started a blog called "Appleheads for life" I dont know if its still out there....

The same could be said for a watch....why pay 6k for a Rolex when a 50.00 Casio g shock keeps better time.
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Old 9 October 2011, 02:07 PM   #35
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Old 9 October 2011, 03:54 PM   #36
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In the old days there were "religious" debates between PC people and Mac people. Not so much any more.

No stigma for owning Apple. However, as Apple becomes more mainstream and successful, there are some who naturally rebel against the "favorite."

I build high end PCs for gaming...but use a Mac for things I need a solid platform for...family photos, etc.

Funny....I find it extremely ironic that Rolex fanboys call out Apple for having great packaging, but use the same old stuff in side...and having great marketing!!!

One could point to Rolex putting the 3135 movement into many different "packages" and commanding sky high prices for different watch cases via great marketing!!!
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Old 9 October 2011, 04:44 PM   #37
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Funny....I find it extremely ironic that Rolex fanboys call out Apple for having great packaging, but use the same old stuff in side...and having great marketing!!!

One could point to Rolex putting the 3135 movement into many different "packages" and commanding sky high prices for different watch cases via great marketing!!!
rolex is the only brand i am passionate about as it seems to deny the trend of planned obsolescence. i guess we all know apple's history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o
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Old 9 October 2011, 06:02 PM   #38
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Is there a stigma attached to owning Apple products?
Simple to use, looks pretty with minimal customisation ability then choose Apple. If you want the opposite choose non Apple. Its more to do with price vs what you get and what you want to do with it. However, this logic cannot be applied to watches as tech products are out of date 6 months after you get one so I don't classify it as timeless collection type possessions.
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Old 9 October 2011, 06:07 PM   #39
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Is there a stigma attached to Apple products?

In my experience yes!

I have been an apple user for six years in an academic setting, which is where my experience comes from.

I enjoy using apple products more than any other brand despite what the fanboys or haters say.

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Old 9 October 2011, 06:30 PM   #40
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I use both Apple and PC, but Apple is the preferred one and the one I use at home.

It's funny now seeing the friends who used to 'poo poo' my Apple products, now using them
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Old 9 October 2011, 06:34 PM   #41
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What is the worst thing about owning a Mac? Telling your parents that you're gay.

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Typical Apple bashing joke.

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rolex is the only brand i am passionate about as it seems to deny the trend of planned obsolescence. i guess we all know apple's history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5DCwN28y8o
I think that planned obsolescence is a moot argument with regards to any computer manufacturers, technological advances ensure that that tool is rarely, if ever needed, consumers will always want the most advanced machine available.

Mechanical watches however, have changed relatively little over the years, one could argue that with the advancement of materials used in the construction of modern watches, that planned obsolescence should not be an equation that any watch manufacturer would employ. 5 year service anyone?
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Old 9 October 2011, 07:44 PM   #43
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what is the worst thing about owning a mac? Telling your parents that you're gay.

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(i am a mac/ipad/iphone user)..
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Old 9 October 2011, 11:59 PM   #44
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I use Mac but what I do find funny is how many folks talk about how easy it is to get a virus on a pc. My buddy works on computers and he says most viruses are caught through, yup you guessed it.....porn. It makes me laugh every time I hear of people getting a computer virus. All I can think of is what porn site they got it from.
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Old 10 October 2011, 01:01 AM   #45
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I don't really see a stigma, but there are many misconceptions which go both ways. Apple is a bit like the Marines. Sometimes I think they hire the same advertising company. They rely a lot on image.

My current ride is a Dell Latitude E6320 with an i7 processor, 8GB ram and a 256GB SSD. It's a nice laptop, but it, and the rest of the E6x20 line, is a pound heavier than the E6x10 line. Even the 12" version, which was once the lightest non-netbook out there, gained a pound and some girth. The lousy thing is that the new ones have this huge plastic bezel around the screen. The end result is that my 13" laptop is nearly the same size and weight as my old 14". I don't know what they were thinking.

With Mac stuff I think people get annoyed with the fanboys and the hipster marketing. But the product is excellent. I've been buying a lot of Macbook Airs for work lately and I am impressed by the machine. I had a 12" Powerbook G4 years ago and that was a great machine.

I did a cost comparison recently and found the 13" Macbook Air to be $15 cheaper than the a comparable Dell Latitude 13". Go to a Macbook Pro, and it is a few hundred more than the comparable Dell. As long as they don't switch to a new processor architecture like they did with the mac I bought my Dad in 2004, it's probably worth the extra 2-300. From what I have seen so far, I can't say enough about the Macbook Air.
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Old 10 October 2011, 01:40 AM   #47
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Old 10 October 2011, 02:27 AM   #48
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I need them both. Mac is FAR superior for every day use. PC is essential for certain software that only works on a PC. Vueprint comes to mind.
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rolex is the only brand i am passionate about as it seems to deny the trend of planned obsolescence. i guess we all know apple's history:
A laptop computer today - no matter how advanced - will not be terribly useful after 5 years or so. So many other factors in play Vs. a watch. To give time, the hands need to go round and report on a small set of data points.

Speech recognition, connectivity etc, need advancements in technology that have not been thought of yet. In 20 years, 12 noon will always come round at 12 noon.

Maybe you should stay with a PC...Those things will work perfectly for 20 years with no upgrades required...right?
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It's the people who love Apple, will buy ANYTHING Apple without even testing or questioning about it first...sometimes referred to as "drinking the Kool-Aid".

I'm not a Mac user, I have an iPad that I got for free and that I see it has some limited amount of usefulness, but I love my iPods, other than the fact that the batteries are not user replaceable.
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I need them both. Mac is FAR superior for every day use. PC is essential for certain software that only works on a PC. Vueprint comes to mind.
OK.

Somebody make me a convert!

Why is it FAR superior. I have PC, never have had a problem, works just fine. What does it do twice as good, as the price dictates?

I mean, a lot of people here who use Mac say they also use PC. So I need two laptops?
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OK.

Somebody make me a convert!

Why is it FAR superior. I have PC, never have had a problem, works just fine. What does it do twice as good, as the price dictates?

I mean, a lot of people here who use Mac say they also use PC. So I need two laptops?
I don't think you need converting Doug, why change if what you have has never let you down, I certainly don't need two laptops, others may, only you can answer that question in relation to your needs.



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I don't really see a stigma, but there are many misconceptions which go both ways. Apple is a bit like the Marines. Sometimes I think they hire the same advertising company. They rely a lot on image.

My current ride is a Dell Latitude E6320 with an i7 processor, 8GB ram and a 256GB SSD. It's a nice laptop, but it, and the rest of the E6x20 line, is a pound heavier than the E6x10 line. Even the 12" version, which was once the lightest non-netbook out there, gained a pound and some girth. The lousy thing is that the new ones have this huge plastic bezel around the screen. The end result is that my 13" laptop is nearly the same size and weight as my old 14". I don't know what they were thinking.

With Mac stuff I think people get annoyed with the fanboys and the hipster marketing. But the product is excellent. I've been buying a lot of Macbook Airs for work lately and I am impressed by the machine. I had a 12" Powerbook G4 years ago and that was a great machine.

I did a cost comparison recently and found the 13" Macbook Air to be $15 cheaper than the a comparable Dell Latitude 13". Go to a Macbook Pro, and it is a few hundred more than the comparable Dell. As long as they don't switch to a new processor architecture like they did with the mac I bought my Dad in 2004, it's probably worth the extra 2-300. From what I have seen so far, I can't say enough about the Macbook Air.
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I think that planned obsolescence is a moot argument with regards to any computer manufacturers, technological advances ensure that that tool is rarely, if ever needed, consumers will always want the most advanced machine available.

Mechanical watches however, have changed relatively little over the years, one could argue that with the advancement of materials used in the construction of modern watches, that planned obsolescence should not be an equation that any watch manufacturer would employ. 5 year service anyone?
a 3g iphone could be easily used even today. mine stoped working after a year and a half and was unfixable. few decades ago things that broke down could be fixed (even early cell phones used to be like that). now we throw them away and buy the new one.
even if i accept that trend, i can't be fan of an object serving me for a year.
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OK.

Somebody make me a convert!

Why is it FAR superior. I have PC, never have had a problem, works just fine. What does it do twice as good, as the price dictates?

I mean, a lot of people here who use Mac say they also use PC. So I need two laptops?
Wait...You have a PC...and NEVER had a problem? Which OS, what do you do with your PC besides turn it on. Never had a Blue Screen of Death? Come on...surely you jest. You don't ever install applications, try to configure with peripherals? Don't play games?

Does a Rolex Submariner tell time TWICE as good as a CASIO G-Shock or Tag? Come on...with Apple, you are paying for design aesthetic, a UI which is more thought out and and beautiful / elegant and FAR LESS PROBLEMATIC THAN A PC.

No one will convince you to buy a Mac if you don't appreciate the thought and nuances put into the design which lead to a better user experience. Much like no one will convince anyone in the myriad of Rolex Vs. Omega threads we see in other sections of this forum.
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A laptop computer today - no matter how advanced - will not be terribly useful after 5 years or so. So many other factors in play Vs. a watch. To give time, the hands need to go round and report on a small set of data points.

Speech recognition, connectivity etc, need advancements in technology that have not been thought of yet. In 20 years, 12 noon will always come round at 12 noon.

Maybe you should stay with a PC...Those things will work perfectly for 20 years with no upgrades required...right?
i guess planned obsolescence is done by pc companies as well, i did not say that it only affected macs. the only difference is that i do not hear about dell or toshiba fanboys. a computer is a tool to be used for a limited period, so just like in case of a toaster i do not see the reason for a hype. that is what i said noting more.
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a 3g iphone could be easily used even today. mine stoped working after a year and a half and was unfixable. few decades ago things that broke down could be fixed (even early cell phones used to be like that). now we throw them away and buy the new one.
even if i accept that trend, i can't be fan of an object serving me for a year.

Are you generalising or are you specifically blaming Apple products for working for only a year?
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Wait...You have a PC...and NEVER had a problem? Which OS, what do you do with your PC besides turn it on. Never had a Blue Screen of Death? Come on...surely you jest. You don't ever install applications, try to configure with peripherals? Don't play games?

Does a Rolex Submariner tell time TWICE as good as a CASIO G-Shock or Tag? Come on...with Apple, you are paying for design aesthetic, a UI which is more thought out and and beautiful / elegant and FAR LESS PROBLEMATIC THAN A PC.

No one will convince you to buy a Mac if you don't appreciate the thought and nuances put into the design which lead to a better user experience. Much like no one will convince anyone in the myriad of Rolex Vs. Omega threads we see in other sections of this forum.
i've never had any issues with my pcs so far.....i know it can happen, so i have a backup but so far nothing. i only use the computer for basic things (word, pp and net) so it is just fine for me.
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i guess planned obsolescence is done by pc companies as well, i did not say that it only affected macs. the only difference is that i do not hear about dell or toshiba fanboys. a computer is a tool to be used for a limited period, so just like in case of a toaster i do not see the reason for a hype. that is what i said noting more.
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Are generalising or are you specifically blaming Apple products for working for only a year?
is my english so bad? i only said that i don't get the attachment to an object which is to be thrown away in a year or so. and yes, apple had issues with planned obsolescence. watch that documentary, it is really worth 50minutes of your life.
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You never said anything of the sort, you mentioned only apple.
maybe because this thread was about apple...
i can say the same for todays cars, toasters, fridges and so on.
are you satisfied?
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