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Jeffa32 · 21 November 2011, 06:49 PM

Wanted to ask the member their views on the AP offshore Royal Oak series.

To me they are not the most attractive tool watches and bloody expensive. Do they have special movements etc which warrant this price?

xbox · 21 November 2011, 08:04 PM

I wouldn't refer to any AP as a tool watch, so let us say the ROO series are Sports watches.

Regarding bang for your buck, AP put massive effort into the details - the external finish combinations are simply breathtaking, same for the internal finishing.

Everything oozes quality - dials, bracelets, horn-back straps with deviating stitching, colour schemes, case materials ....... I could go on.

Go spend a few minutes with one and see what you think

dalip · 21 November 2011, 08:09 PM

It's all a matter of taste Jeff.

Many refer to the top 3 as:

Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet and Patek Philippe. Can take that or leave it.

I don't necessarily go by others opinions but I am certainly a fan of AP as I am a huge fan of Rolex...(I have mostly Rolex in my collection) - I don't have PP or VC.

I have the AP ROO Safari...this has the in house caliber 3126/3840 - 55 hour reserve + 59 jewels..

To my understanding AP only make around 30,000 watches per year.

They have an extraordinary finish - the attention to detail is incredible! I am not a fan of all their models in this range (actually I am of most!) but I certainly was blown away by the Safari....

Here are my pics of my recent acquisition....and Jeff....I don't think I'm missing anything!! - at the end of the day if you find them unattractive that's your preference....I certainly do not

TSW · 21 November 2011, 08:14 PM

Neither would i call the Offshore as a Tool watch just as a sportier line from Audemars Piguet.
AP is putting a lot of their work in the finishing both in the movement , case and the dials.
I wasn't all in love by AP until i tried one on and now i keep wanting more of them.
These are the different movements AP uses for the Offshore series.

Caliber 2326 is the JLC-based movement found in the Rubber Clad and older Offshores.

The 3126 is the AP-based (3120 base) movement which is found in a number of Offshore models, including all current Safari, Navy, Volcano and the Grand Prix.

The chronograph module is a Dubois-Depraz, found in both the 2326 and the 3126, which sits at the top of the base movement.

Thomas

TSW · 21 November 2011, 08:18 PM

3126 movement with its 22carat rotor

Sweramic · 21 November 2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TSW

I wasn't all in love by AP until i tried one on and now i keep wanting more of them.

What he said!

Jeffa32 · 21 November 2011, 09:06 PM

Thanks for views. Certainly not judging anybodies choice of watch. Heck, I have a breitling and and Pam which have very mixed loyalty. Just interested to hear your views.

Andad · 21 November 2011, 09:08 PM

I KNEW it was a TT Dalip.

Sweramic · 21 November 2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

I KNEW it was a TT Dalip.

dalip · 21 November 2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

I KNEW it was a TT Dalip.

Only on the inside Eddie...where it matters most

cedargrove · 22 November 2011, 12:20 AM

I've never loved the look of the RO / ROO as I'm not partial to the angles (i.e. octaganol bezel, hexoganol screws, etc), but I realize this is purely personal preference.

However I have tried a few on and they feel great. Finish is excellent, and the bracelet is a work of art.

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 12:47 AM

I am really starting to love AP, Might have to save for one of those soon.

RolexWatcher · 22 November 2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

I am really starting to love AP, Might have to save for one of those soon.

+1 Especially the one Dalip has...Amazing watch!

TSW · 22 November 2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

I am really starting to love AP, Might have to save for one of those soon.

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Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

+1 Especially the one Dalip has...Amazing watch!

Let the enabling begin

dalip · 22 November 2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

I am really starting to love AP, Might have to save for one of those soon.

It's well worth it...

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Originally Posted by RolexWatcher

+1 Especially the one Dalip has...Amazing watch!

Thanks...

I am very pleased with my decision to pick the safari up....

capote · 22 November 2011, 01:43 AM

I prefer the RO to ROO in most cases, the ROO are too big for my taste and some models looks completly insane. The Safari shown above is great looking though.

B. Doggy · 22 November 2011, 01:50 AM

I'm sure loving my AP!

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 01:53 AM

What’s the list price on a RO, SS bracelet, like this one? What kind of discount would be the norm, 25%?

http://www.audemarspiguet.com/collec...-royal-oak-26/

I don’t have an AD any ware near my home.

Thanks,

Eric

TSW · 22 November 2011, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric23

What’s the list price on a RO, SS bracelet, like this one? What kind of discount would be the norm, 25%?

http://www.audemarspiguet.com/collec...-royal-oak-26/

I don’t have an AD any ware near my home.

Thanks,

Eric

I'd say 15-20% discount on the Jumbo tops as it is a very popular model.
Also have a look at the 15300

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TSW

I'd say 15-20% discount on the Jumbo tops as it is a very popular model.
Also have a look at the 15300

Thomas, what is the difference? Movement or just the dial? Also do you have any ideas on the list prices?

Thanks,

Eric

Manofsteelpt · 22 November 2011, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by TSW

3126 movement with its 22carat rotor

I wonder why they don't show this off with a clear case back

Manofsteelpt · 22 November 2011, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

Thomas, what is the difference? Movement or just the dial? Also do you have any ideas on the list prices?

Thanks,

Eric

I'm not an AP expert like Thomas or some of the other guys here, but the 15202 is based on the original RO. The movement is different, I believe it's better, no seconds hand, and I'm sure some other differences too. Oh, and retails about $18k.

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 03:51 AM

Does anyone know a good AD to talk to in the USA? There is a few in Canada but none near my place (and none have emails listed on there website). Please PM me if you have a good contact that I can talk with to get some prices and stuff.

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

I'm not an AP expert like Thomas or some of the other guys here, but the 15202 is based on the original RO. The movement is different, I believe it's better, no seconds hand, and I'm sure some other differences too. Oh, and retails about $18k.

Thanks, I like the blue of dial on the 15202ST.OO.0944ST.03

TSW · 22 November 2011, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

Thomas, what is the difference? Movement or just the dial? Also do you have any ideas on the list prices?

Thanks,

Eric

Eric,

The Jumbo with reference 15202 is the newer reference of the original Royal Oak 5402ST which was produced in 1972.
The Caliber 2121 is very thin (3.05mm) and are used as a base movement in several other more complicated AP's.
The rotor can be ordered with a personalized rotor which i've seen and it's pretty neat to have your initials on it.
The other more visible difference between the 15202 is that both the case and bracelet are much thinner then the 15300 and also doesn't have a screw in crown.
It also don't have a second hand an a non quick-set date.

The most AD's have a waiting list for the Jumbo and the price for it is 18,800€ compared to the 15300 which is 13,000€

Thomas

TSW · 22 November 2011, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

I wonder why they don't show this off with a clear case back

It's because of making the case stronger. Then there is actually a anti magnetic cage behind the back case.

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSW

Eric,

The Jumbo with reference 15202 is the newer reference of the original Royal Oak 5402ST which was produced in 1972.
The Caliber 2121 is very thin (3.05mm) and are used as a base movement in several other more complicated AP's.
The rotor can be ordered with a personalized rotor which i've seen and it's pretty neat to have your initials on it.
The other more visible difference between the 15202 is that both the case and bracelet are much thinner then the 15300 and also doesn't have a screw in crown.
It also don't have a second hand an a non quick-set date.

The most AD's have a waiting list for the Jumbo and the price for it is 18,800€ compared to the 15300 which is 13,000€

Thomas

Thanks Thomas for all the info.

I would like the thinner model that fits under my cufflinks.

TSW · 22 November 2011, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by eric23

Thanks Thomas for all the info.

I would like the thinner model that fits under my cufflinks.

I'm pretty sure a 15300 would fit perfect under your cuffs.
I would recommend you to try them both before you pull the trigger.

eric23 · 22 November 2011, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TSW

I'm pretty sure a 15300 would fit perfect under your cuffs.
I would recommend you to try them both before you pull the trigger.

I am going to have to travel next year and see a few in person.

wantonebad · 22 November 2011, 06:37 AM

The AP ROO is a millionaire's tool watch. It's not my favorite esthetically, however i do recognize that it is an EXTREMELY high-end, mass produced watch, in fact one of the best and I would be honored to own one. Even though if given my druthers I would make a different selection with that money LOL

21 November 2011, 06:49 PM	#1
Jeffa32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Singapore Watch: Datejust II Posts: 426	Royal Oak Offshore - am I missing something? Wanted to ask the member their views on the AP offshore Royal Oak series. To me they are not the most attractive tool watches and bloody expensive. Do they have special movements etc which warrant this price? __________________ Omega Speedmaster, Breitling Steelfish, Datejust II, IWC Portofino Chronograph, Planet Ocean Liquidmetal XL, BLNR, IWC Portuguese 7 day

21 November 2011, 08:09 PM	#3
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	It's all a matter of taste Jeff. Many refer to the top 3 as: Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet and Patek Philippe. Can take that or leave it. I don't necessarily go by others opinions but I am certainly a fan of AP as I am a huge fan of Rolex...(I have mostly Rolex in my collection) - I don't have PP or VC. I have the AP ROO Safari...this has the in house caliber 3126/3840 - 55 hour reserve + 59 jewels.. To my understanding AP only make around 30,000 watches per year. They have an extraordinary finish - the attention to detail is incredible! I am not a fan of all their models in this range (actually I am of most!) but I certainly was blown away by the Safari.... Here are my pics of my recent acquisition....and Jeff....I don't think I'm missing anything!! - at the end of the day if you find them unattractive that's your preference....I certainly do not __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

21 November 2011, 08:14 PM	#4
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Neither would i call the Offshore as a Tool watch just as a sportier line from Audemars Piguet. AP is putting a lot of their work in the finishing both in the movement , case and the dials. I wasn't all in love by AP until i tried one on and now i keep wanting more of them. These are the different movements AP uses for the Offshore series. Caliber 2326 is the JLC-based movement found in the Rubber Clad and older Offshores. The 3126 is the AP-based (3120 base) movement which is found in a number of Offshore models, including all current Safari, Navy, Volcano and the Grand Prix. The chronograph module is a Dubois-Depraz, found in both the 2326 and the 3126, which sits at the top of the base movement. Thomas __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

21 November 2011, 08:18 PM	#5
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	3126 movement with its 22carat rotor __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

21 November 2011, 09:06 PM	#7
Jeffa32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Singapore Watch: Datejust II Posts: 426	Thanks for views. Certainly not judging anybodies choice of watch. Heck, I have a breitling and and Pam which have very mixed loyalty. Just interested to hear your views. __________________ Omega Speedmaster, Breitling Steelfish, Datejust II, IWC Portofino Chronograph, Planet Ocean Liquidmetal XL, BLNR, IWC Portuguese 7 day

21 November 2011, 08:04 PM	#2
xbox "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Beach in the Med Watch: Hunting ... Posts: 1,148	I wouldn't refer to any AP as a tool watch, so let us say the ROO series are Sports watches. Regarding bang for your buck, AP put massive effort into the details - the external finish combinations are simply breathtaking, same for the internal finishing. Everything oozes quality - dials, bracelets, horn-back straps with deviating stitching, colour schemes, case materials ....... I could go on. Go spend a few minutes with one and see what you think

21 November 2011, 09:08 PM	#8
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,510	I KNEW it was a TT Dalip. __________________ E

22 November 2011, 12:20 AM	#11
cedargrove "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Rich Location: Canada Watch: Milgauss, GMT IIc Posts: 3,013	I've never loved the look of the RO / ROO as I'm not partial to the angles (i.e. octaganol bezel, hexoganol screws, etc), but I realize this is purely personal preference. However I have tried a few on and they feel great. Finish is excellent, and the bracelet is a work of art.

22 November 2011, 12:47 AM	#12
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	I am really starting to love AP, Might have to save for one of those soon.

22 November 2011, 01:43 AM	#16
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	I prefer the RO to ROO in most cases, the ROO are too big for my taste and some models looks completly insane. The Safari shown above is great looking though.

22 November 2011, 01:50 AM	#17
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	I'm sure loving my AP! __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

22 November 2011, 01:53 AM	#18
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	What’s the list price on a RO, SS bracelet, like this one? What kind of discount would be the norm, 25%? http://www.audemarspiguet.com/collec...-royal-oak-26/ I don’t have an AD any ware near my home. Thanks, Eric

22 November 2011, 03:51 AM	#23
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	Does anyone know a good AD to talk to in the USA? There is a few in Canada but none near my place (and none have emails listed on there website). Please PM me if you have a good contact that I can talk with to get some prices and stuff.

22 November 2011, 06:37 AM	#30
wantonebad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,849	The AP ROO is a millionaire's tool watch. It's not my favorite esthetically, however i do recognize that it is an EXTREMELY high-end, mass produced watch, in fact one of the best and I would be honored to own one. Even though if given my druthers I would make a different selection with that money LOL __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

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