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kayin · 22 April 2012, 06:57 AM

Hello, trying to elicit opinions. Currently own several Omega Watches:

Americas Cup Seamaster;
Bond 40th Seamaster;
Casino Royale Planet Ocean
Apollo Anniversary Speedmaster.

As you can see I like Omega and I like Bond. Late last year I had a significant birthday and my other half said she would buy me a watch to celebrate; I was waiting for the 50th Bond but now that I have seen it am somewhat disappointed. I

In additon, seems somewhat exploitative that Omega are also oging to offer a Skyfall Planet Ocean and a Skyfall Aqua Terra. So, at some point during my melancholy contemplation my thoughts turned to Rolex, i.e. Bond has worn Rolex in a number of movies and in print, and then I saw the new Submariner no date images from Basel 2012.

So my question is simply this: buy the 50th Anniversay Omega or buy the new Sub No Date when it becomes available ?

Related question will there be a waiting list for the New Sub.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advice

capote · 22 April 2012, 07:01 AM

As much as I dislike the idea of a no date ceramic sub I prefer it over the 50th anniversary Bond Seamaster because...well just look at it. Get the 14060m instead, iconic watch (and closer to what the fictual character used to wear back in the Connery/Moore days)

Frogman4me · 22 April 2012, 07:04 AM

No date sub for me. I owned many seamasters as well, once I owned a no date sub they all went

dddrees · 22 April 2012, 07:12 AM

The ND Sub is a classic.

I personally would get the discountinued model with lug holes. older style case, and older style bracelet.

Take a look at the current SubC and compare it against the discountinued Sub ND to determine if you think it would be adviseable for you to wait for the newer SubC ND or not.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority here will recomend that you get a Sub.

TSW · 22 April 2012, 07:15 AM

Sub all day long!

jay1988 · 22 April 2012, 07:27 AM

First of all wrong place to ask people to choose between Rolex and any other watch. There was someone asking to choose between Rolex and Patek a few days ago and the poll came pretty close.

I say Sub and to justify ? Have you seen that embossed 007 dial on the seamaster ? It's just wrong. I actually like the older ones but this 50th one ? Lets just say by trying to glam it up for 50 they have made it too Bond obsessed. I doubt Bond would be caught dead in something so fan like.

Also your collection needs some Rolex up in there.

gwozhog · 22 April 2012, 07:28 AM

Nothing personal but Omega always = dissapointment for me.

gwalker · 22 April 2012, 07:35 AM

I would take the Sub over those. A regular PO might be another story. I'm just not a huge fan of the Bond editions.

jay_kay · 22 April 2012, 07:49 AM

Get a sub 14060 leave the New 114060 and the Omega!

kayin · 22 April 2012, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay1988

First of all wrong place to ask people to choose between Rolex and any other watch. There was someone asking to choose between Rolex and Patek a few days ago and the poll came pretty close.

I say Sub and to justify ? Have you seen that embossed 007 dial on the seamaster ? It's just wrong. I actually like the older ones but this 50th one ? Lets just say by trying to glam it up for 50 they have made it too Bond obsessed. I doubt Bond would be caught dead in something so fan like.

Also your collection needs some Rolex up in there.

I thought a good place to pose the question as assumed that the professional opinions on here would be reasonably objective with perhaps just a tint of prejudice :-)

I have the 40th with the embossed dial and that is the rub - the 50th is just more of the same. I would not expect bond to wear the 40th either but was hoping that the homage would be more 'subtle'.

I think you might be right about Rolex in the collection.

I am very appreciative of all the responses so far

Joey_V · 22 April 2012, 08:30 AM

No question, Sub.

Mr. RoC · 22 April 2012, 08:31 AM

Time for a Rolex...

IMO... Omega are a dime a dozen especially the "Bond" watches. Heck... as of right now there are 5 other co-workers that have the exact same Omega SMP Bond watch but full size, mine is the mid-size. As for Rolex... only myself - Explorer, another co-worker - '85 Sub Date and my Supervisor - Yacht Master.

And as mentioned before the Rolex will have a better re-sale value. My mid-size 14yr old SMP that was recently overhauled ($900 service) by Swatch Group Canada can sell for around $1000 - $1200 the most at least that what offers were coming in. Heck, I would probably be giving it away for free if it had not been fully serviced INCLUDING new dial and bezel insert. I went to a local watch store that sell authentic Rolex had a used 89 Sub Date in excellent condition and was ASKING $5500.... those were going for around $3000 back in 89 if my research is correct. 23 years later you can ask for more than what the Rolex was worth back then and nobody will say a they. With my Omega... 14 years later and just after a complete overhaul by Swatch Group Canada and is "like brand new"condition again and you ask for slightly less than what it cost brand new back then and folks are calling you crazy....

Go Rolex and skip the Omega this time... I'm glad I did.

Cabaiguan · 22 April 2012, 09:38 AM

The 50th anni SMP is too gimmicky. Nothing about it that I like. Now the new PO...thats a watch!

Between your two choices, Sub all the way.

Tools · 22 April 2012, 09:45 AM

Let me say that I like Omegas. I have several going all the way back to a '62Seamaster.. I'm even taking my Electric Blue with me to Hawaii next week..

But it is just laughable that Omega would market a 50th Anniversary Bond watch when they have only bought the movie franchise rights in the past decade...

And really, what Bond character would even be wearing such a thing ???

OK.. rant off.. The Sub is the true Bond watch - since the beginning; that's the one to get. Omega is only in the Bond films now because they paid their way in..

mike · 22 April 2012, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Let me say that I like Omegas. I have several going all the way back to a '62Seamaster.. I'm even taking my Electric Blue with me to Hawaii next week..

But it is just laughable that Omega would market a 50th Anniversary Bond watch when they have only bought the movie franchise rights in the past decade...

And really, what Bond character would even be wearing such a thing ???

OK.. rant off.. The Sub is the true Bond watch - since the beginning; that's the one to get. Omega is only in the Bond films now because they paid their way in..

Spot on.

Omega makes wonderfull watches, but they've beat the Bond thing to death.

Hairdude1 · 22 April 2012, 10:17 AM

SUB all the way!

Bowlduck · 22 April 2012, 10:31 AM

Sub 14060M all day long. Classic!

karmatp · 22 April 2012, 10:35 AM

Omega make one heck of a watch but I just don't like the 50th bond at all. The 14060 is a tue icon and I love mine, so that gets my vote.

If you were considering a ceramic PO with the 8500, now that would be much tougher.

Dr. Robert · 22 April 2012, 11:01 AM

I prefer the look of the Rolex sub vs. the "Bond" Omega.

Marrk · 22 April 2012, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dddrees

The ND Sub is a classic.

x 2. You won't regret it.

kilyung · 22 April 2012, 11:11 AM

Sub but the caseback of the 50th Bond is COOL!!!

z0mghenry · 22 April 2012, 12:02 PM

I like Omegas but the "special editions" are not really my cup of tea (except for the LM 2500C, just gorgeous). That said I would go with the new ND SubC.

kayin · 22 April 2012, 08:42 PM

Okay, so I am becoming more convinced that Rolex is the way to go but why are people advocating older models over the yet to be released Ceramic Sub ?

Are the superior in some way or is it simply a question of aesthetics ?

Sorry if these questions are overly simple.

OrangeSport · 22 April 2012, 08:58 PM

I struggle with Omega when they put 007 on the dial etc. Sorry, it just kind of cheapens the watch for me, but each to their own. Sorry.

Would go for the ND Sub, especially a 14060M:

OrangeSport · 22 April 2012, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kayin

Are the superior in some way or is it simply a question of aesthetics ?

The classic looks and the open lug holes...

dysondiver · 22 April 2012, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dddrees

The ND Sub is a classic.

I personally would get the discountinued model with lug holes. older style case, and older style bracelet.

Take a look at the current SubC and compare it against the discountinued Sub ND to determine if you think it would be adviseable for you to wait for the newer SubC ND or not.

I'm pretty sure the vast majority here will recomend that you get a Sub.

yip , says it all

nick c · 22 April 2012, 09:14 PM

14060 all the way

witch watch · 22 April 2012, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cabaiguan

The 50th anni SMP is too gimmicky. Nothing about it that I like. Now the new PO...thats a watch!

Between your two choices, Sub all the way.

kayin · 22 April 2012, 09:34 PM

These photos that people are posting are really nice, it reminds me of one of the design principles laid out by Dieter Rams:

Good design is aesthetic.The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products we use every day affect our person and our well-being. But only well-executed objects can be beautiful.

colpol · 22 April 2012, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwalker

I would take the Sub over those. A regular PO might be another story. I'm just not a huge fan of the Bond editions.

x 2 not a fan of the bond editions

Having said that my brother bought a new standard Omega PO 3 weeks ago with the grey-ish ceramic bezel. What a watch !! Probably £2k + cheaper than the Sub no date.

22 April 2012, 06:57 AM	#1
kayin Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: United Kingdom Watch: Speedy Apollo 11 Posts: 173	New Submariner No Date Vs Omega Bond 50th Hello, trying to elicit opinions. Currently own several Omega Watches: Americas Cup Seamaster; Bond 40th Seamaster; Casino Royale Planet Ocean Apollo Anniversary Speedmaster. As you can see I like Omega and I like Bond. Late last year I had a significant birthday and my other half said she would buy me a watch to celebrate; I was waiting for the 50th Bond but now that I have seen it am somewhat disappointed. I In additon, seems somewhat exploitative that Omega are also oging to offer a Skyfall Planet Ocean and a Skyfall Aqua Terra. So, at some point during my melancholy contemplation my thoughts turned to Rolex, i.e. Bond has worn Rolex in a number of movies and in print, and then I saw the new Submariner no date images from Basel 2012. So my question is simply this: buy the 50th Anniversay Omega or buy the new Sub No Date when it becomes available ? Related question will there be a waiting list for the New Sub. Thanks in advance for any suggestions or advice

22 April 2012, 07:12 AM	#4
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	The ND Sub is a classic. I personally would get the discountinued model with lug holes. older style case, and older style bracelet. Take a look at the current SubC and compare it against the discountinued Sub ND to determine if you think it would be adviseable for you to wait for the newer SubC ND or not. I'm pretty sure the vast majority here will recomend that you get a Sub. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

22 April 2012, 07:15 AM	#5
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Sub all day long! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

22 April 2012, 07:28 AM	#7
gwozhog "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Point Blank, TX Posts: 2,894	Nothing personal but Omega always = dissapointment for me. __________________ I once dated a girl in high school and her dad told me I would never amount to anything. He was right

22 April 2012, 07:49 AM	#9
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	Get a sub 14060 leave the New 114060 and the Omega! __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

22 April 2012, 07:01 AM	#2
capote "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Daniel Location: Sweden Watch: 16570 Posts: 7,315	As much as I dislike the idea of a no date ceramic sub I prefer it over the 50th anniversary Bond Seamaster because...well just look at it. Get the 14060m instead, iconic watch (and closer to what the fictual character used to wear back in the Connery/Moore days)

22 April 2012, 07:04 AM	#3
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	No date sub for me. I owned many seamasters as well, once I owned a no date sub they all went

22 April 2012, 07:27 AM	#6
jay1988 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,515	First of all wrong place to ask people to choose between Rolex and any other watch. There was someone asking to choose between Rolex and Patek a few days ago and the poll came pretty close. I say Sub and to justify ? Have you seen that embossed 007 dial on the seamaster ? It's just wrong. I actually like the older ones but this 50th one ? Lets just say by trying to glam it up for 50 they have made it too Bond obsessed. I doubt Bond would be caught dead in something so fan like. Also your collection needs some Rolex up in there.

22 April 2012, 07:35 AM	#8
gwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Gunter Location: AL/NJ Watch: DSSD; 116610LN Posts: 5,509	I would take the Sub over those. A regular PO might be another story. I'm just not a huge fan of the Bond editions.

22 April 2012, 08:30 AM	#11
Joey_V "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Joey Location: Dallas, TX Watch: SS Sub 16610 M Posts: 3,824	No question, Sub. __________________ Current Rotation: Rolex Submariner Date (M) - 1/08, Rolex Milgauss GV (V) - 2/10, Rolex SS Black Daytona (V) - 6/10, Rolex GMTIIC (G) - 5/11, TAG Heuer Silverstone (286/1860) - 1/2015 Former-watches: Omega PO/2535.80/2254, TAG Carrera/F1x2/Monaco, Panerai 312K/292L Wish List: Panerai 270/505, Rolex SMURF, Rolex RG Daytona, Rolex DSSD

22 April 2012, 08:31 AM	#12
Mr. RoC "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Canada Watch: where you're going Posts: 277	Time for a Rolex... IMO... Omega are a dime a dozen especially the "Bond" watches. Heck... as of right now there are 5 other co-workers that have the exact same Omega SMP Bond watch but full size, mine is the mid-size. As for Rolex... only myself - Explorer, another co-worker - '85 Sub Date and my Supervisor - Yacht Master. And as mentioned before the Rolex will have a better re-sale value. My mid-size 14yr old SMP that was recently overhauled ($900 service) by Swatch Group Canada can sell for around $1000 - $1200 the most at least that what offers were coming in. Heck, I would probably be giving it away for free if it had not been fully serviced INCLUDING new dial and bezel insert. I went to a local watch store that sell authentic Rolex had a used 89 Sub Date in excellent condition and was ASKING $5500.... those were going for around $3000 back in 89 if my research is correct. 23 years later you can ask for more than what the Rolex was worth back then and nobody will say a they. With my Omega... 14 years later and just after a complete overhaul by Swatch Group Canada and is "like brand new"condition again and you ask for slightly less than what it cost brand new back then and folks are calling you crazy.... Go Rolex and skip the Omega this time... I'm glad I did.

22 April 2012, 09:38 AM	#13
Cabaiguan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Raf Location: NJ Watch: GMTII Posts: 2,155	The 50th anni SMP is too gimmicky. Nothing about it that I like. Now the new PO...thats a watch! Between your two choices, Sub all the way. __________________ "A ship of war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell

22 April 2012, 09:45 AM	#14
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Let me say that I like Omegas. I have several going all the way back to a '62Seamaster.. I'm even taking my Electric Blue with me to Hawaii next week.. But it is just laughable that Omega would market a 50th Anniversary Bond watch when they have only bought the movie franchise rights in the past decade... And really, what Bond character would even be wearing such a thing ??? OK.. rant off.. The Sub is the true Bond watch - since the beginning; that's the one to get. Omega is only in the Bond films now because they paid their way in.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

22 April 2012, 10:17 AM	#16
Hairdude1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Chicago Watch: AP,PP, Rolex Posts: 37,156	SUB all the way!

22 April 2012, 10:31 AM	#17
Bowlduck "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: NH Watch: 16613 Posts: 232	Sub 14060M all day long. Classic!

22 April 2012, 10:35 AM	#18
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	Omega make one heck of a watch but I just don't like the 50th bond at all. The 14060 is a tue icon and I love mine, so that gets my vote. If you were considering a ceramic PO with the 8500, now that would be much tougher. __________________ My grails:

22 April 2012, 11:01 AM	#19
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,282	I prefer the look of the Rolex sub vs. the "Bond" Omega. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

22 April 2012, 11:11 AM	#21
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Sub but the caseback of the 50th Bond is COOL!!!

22 April 2012, 12:02 PM	#22
z0mghenry "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Henry Location: GA Posts: 617	I like Omegas but the "special editions" are not really my cup of tea (except for the LM 2500C, just gorgeous). That said I would go with the new ND SubC.

22 April 2012, 08:42 PM	#23
kayin Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: United Kingdom Watch: Speedy Apollo 11 Posts: 173	Okay, so I am becoming more convinced that Rolex is the way to go but why are people advocating older models over the yet to be released Ceramic Sub ? Are the superior in some way or is it simply a question of aesthetics ? Sorry if these questions are overly simple.

22 April 2012, 08:58 PM	#24
OrangeSport "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: Essex, UK Watch: 14060M Posts: 2,943	I struggle with Omega when they put 007 on the dial etc. Sorry, it just kind of cheapens the watch for me, but each to their own. Sorry. Would go for the ND Sub, especially a 14060M: Attached Images __________________

22 April 2012, 09:14 PM	#27
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	14060 all the way Attached Images

22 April 2012, 09:34 PM	#29
kayin Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: United Kingdom Watch: Speedy Apollo 11 Posts: 173	These photos that people are posting are really nice, it reminds me of one of the design principles laid out by Dieter Rams: Good design is aesthetic.The aesthetic quality of a product is integral to its usefulness because products we use every day affect our person and our well-being. But only well-executed objects can be beautiful.

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