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rr-nyc · 20 January 2010, 09:43 AM

I've never let my 328 run down nor have I ever wound it. (When I'm not wearing it, its on a winder)

I finally let it run down over the course of the last couple days which I don't believe was near 3 days and concerned me. But even more alarming to me was as I wound the watch, it felt very rough to wind---Is this normal?

It doesn't feel like anything is grinding but the resistance would vary on and off per winding cycle. I don't want to mess up the movement so please give me your feedback

B. Doggy · 20 January 2010, 10:49 AM

How old is your watch and what kind of winder do you have? Maybe the specs on the winder would help....oh, and you found one that fits a PAM??

You can't overwind a mechanical watch. There's a clutch inside that prevents this. Try listening closely to it when winding and wait for louder clicks. This will let you know when it's fully wound. I'd let it power down completely and then give it a full manual winding.

Resistance from the crown when winding really is different from watch-to-watch. In fact, you could have one serviced and it may feel different than when you first bought it. My 312 is different that my 243....

Good luck! I'm sure everything is in order on your 328.

rr-nyc · 20 January 2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B. Doggy

How old is your watch and what kind of winder do you have? Maybe the specs on the winder would help....oh, and you found one that fits a PAM??

You can't overwind a mechanical watch. There's a clutch inside that prevents this. Try listening closely to it when winding and wait for louder clicks. This will let you know when it's fully wound. I'd let it power down completely and then give it a full manual winding.

Resistance from the crown when winding really is different from watch-to-watch. In fact, you could have one serviced and it may feel different than when you first bought it. My 312 is different that my 243....

Good luck! I'm sure everything is in order on your 328.

While I was winding, I held it up to my ear and hear it winding but the feel of the crown between my fingers feel very odd. It has a "thumpy" feel if that makes sense. Maybe I'll bring it to the boutique tomorrow.

As far as a winder, I purchased a rotolution winder. Its fully programmable via USB and yes, the factory pillows fit a 44mm panerai perfectly.

B. Doggy · 20 January 2010, 01:20 PM

Well good luck. "Thumpy" would not be how I'd describe my watches at all.

CorruptedSanity · 20 January 2010, 03:31 PM

rr-nyc, I had the same issue ( I even mentioned here I think). My pam312 winding feels rough as you say. Not smooth and click'y like other watches. I checked another pam312 at the boutqiue (within a month of purchasing mine) and found it to be the same. Several months later, I tried winding another pam312 at the boutique and it felt smooth and free. I guess our movements/winding mechanisms had some sort of flaw and apparently its been fixed now. Im hesistant to let them open it up. Its been working fine, keeping perfect time. So let it be.

xbox · 20 January 2010, 04:01 PM

I wouldn't worry either and as Saif says, best to let it be - maybe it will be sorted come service time.

rr-nyc · 20 January 2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SaifAlSuwaidi

rr-nyc, I had the same issue ( I even mentioned here I think). My pam312 winding feels rough as you say. Not smooth and click'y like other watches. I checked another pam312 at the boutqiue (within a month of purchasing mine) and found it to be the same. Several months later, I tried winding another pam312 at the boutique and it felt smooth and free. I guess our movements/winding mechanisms had some sort of flaw and apparently its been fixed now. Im hesistant to let them open it up. Its been working fine, keeping perfect time. So let it be.

Thanks... Its kind of annoying though, don't you think? I'm hoping that it will become smooth as time goes on rather than waiting for service time to come around to fix it. I'll compare it to other 312/328's when I pick up my new strap from the AD

Similar to what Bryan said, my Breitling came back to me after service and it wound differently than before it went in for service which was even harder for me to take. It went back in wice to fix but I'm stuck with it

CorruptedSanity · 20 January 2010, 06:20 PM

It wont get smooth haha. I mean I have had mine since August and have honestly not needed to wind it up more than say 10 days in the past 5 months or so but every time its been the same. I dont think it will "loosen" up with time and if does then I will be worried as it seems they built the movement this way from the start and may require servicing/new parts to get it to wind freely as the newer pam312s.

Pass by the AD and try winding other 312s and 328s. But be sure to check the production number on the back. Mine is from the first 100 I think (# 16 if im not mistaken either) and I am assuming that watches close to ours in production will be the same where as watches in the maybe 500s and up will be different.

CorruptedSanity · 20 January 2010, 06:21 PM

Perhaps we could get other pam312 owners to voice thier experiences and base the results on production numbers on the back. I think its x/1500 right?

A1000 · 21 January 2010, 06:30 AM

Mine's in the 500s and winds up smoothly with a light audible clicking. Hope this helps

rr-nyc · 21 January 2010, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by A1000

Mine's in the 500s and winds up smoothly with a light audible clicking. Hope this helps

Not good news for me... Mine is a L0XX/1000. Technically, mine was made after yours so it makes me wonder

Fred_Tan · 21 January 2010, 09:20 AM

You will feel that the stem is about to break & the resistance is very very high torque....it's normal.

No worries.
Just wind it....

zlin08033 · 21 January 2010, 09:38 AM

I just got mine 328 L0xx/1000, very smooth.

rr-nyc · 21 January 2010, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Tan

You will feel that the stem is about to break & the resistance is very very high torque....it's normal.

No worries.
Just wind it....

Thanks Fred... I know you've had your hands on enough PAM's to tell me its normal

rr-nyc · 21 January 2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by zlin08033

I just got mine 328 L0xx/1000, very smooth.

Our production numbers must be pretty close--09X for me

johannsmit · 26 January 2010, 02:57 PM

I have 1663/2000 (K) and mine winds just fine!

Shade · 26 January 2010, 03:06 PM

Mine (Pam 312 though) feels just fine, smooth (I tried winding it a few minutes ago)...

Did you get any news from service?

CorruptedSanity · 26 January 2010, 03:26 PM

mine is K0016/2000

rr-nyc · 8 December 2010, 12:29 PM

Update - Over the course of the last several months, the winding of my 312 has smoothed out completely...no more rough winding!

CorruptedSanity · 8 December 2010, 01:22 PM

thanks for the update rr-nyc

mine has but not to the point where its smooth like my other winding watches.

maybe you wind yours more than i do mine.

glimmer · 26 April 2012, 04:25 AM

Was doing some research and came across this thread...I just acquired a 312 last week and it is winding the same way as described here. Any chance that you guys have resolved this issue? Should I just wait for it to smoothen out?

arai · 29 April 2012, 01:33 PM

My PAM 312 N17XX/4000 winds very smooth, just got it today

kilyung · 29 April 2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by arai

My PAM 312 N17XX/4000 winds very smooth, just got it today

Congrats on your 312!

20 January 2010, 09:43 AM	#1
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	Winding question for P9000 movement I've never let my 328 run down nor have I ever wound it. (When I'm not wearing it, its on a winder) I finally let it run down over the course of the last couple days which I don't believe was near 3 days and concerned me. But even more alarming to me was as I wound the watch, it felt very rough to wind---Is this normal? It doesn't feel like anything is grinding but the resistance would vary on and off per winding cycle. I don't want to mess up the movement so please give me your feedback

20 January 2010, 10:49 AM	#2
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	How old is your watch and what kind of winder do you have? Maybe the specs on the winder would help....oh, and you found one that fits a PAM?? You can't overwind a mechanical watch. There's a clutch inside that prevents this. Try listening closely to it when winding and wait for louder clicks. This will let you know when it's fully wound. I'd let it power down completely and then give it a full manual winding. Resistance from the crown when winding really is different from watch-to-watch. In fact, you could have one serviced and it may feel different than when you first bought it. My 312 is different that my 243.... Good luck! I'm sure everything is in order on your 328. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

20 January 2010, 01:20 PM	#4
B. Doggy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Bryan Location: Oregon Posts: 7,399	Well good luck. "Thumpy" would not be how I'd describe my watches at all. __________________ Rolex / Panerai / Omega

21 January 2010, 06:30 AM	#10
A1000 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Adrian Location: UK Posts: 953	Mine's in the 500s and winds up smoothly with a light audible clicking. Hope this helps __________________ Rolex 16610LV (2007) PAM 312K (2009) PAM 292K (2009)

21 January 2010, 09:20 AM	#12
Fred_Tan Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Fred Tan Location: Singapore Watch: Bumble Bee Posts: 668	P.9000 is very hand to manual wind You will feel that the stem is about to break & the resistance is very very high torque....it's normal. No worries. Just wind it....

20 January 2010, 03:31 PM	#5
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	rr-nyc, I had the same issue ( I even mentioned here I think). My pam312 winding feels rough as you say. Not smooth and click'y like other watches. I checked another pam312 at the boutqiue (within a month of purchasing mine) and found it to be the same. Several months later, I tried winding another pam312 at the boutique and it felt smooth and free. I guess our movements/winding mechanisms had some sort of flaw and apparently its been fixed now. Im hesistant to let them open it up. Its been working fine, keeping perfect time. So let it be.

20 January 2010, 04:01 PM	#6
xbox "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Beach in the Med Watch: Hunting ... Posts: 1,148	I wouldn't worry either and as Saif says, best to let it be - maybe it will be sorted come service time.

20 January 2010, 06:20 PM	#8
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	It wont get smooth haha. I mean I have had mine since August and have honestly not needed to wind it up more than say 10 days in the past 5 months or so but every time its been the same. I dont think it will "loosen" up with time and if does then I will be worried as it seems they built the movement this way from the start and may require servicing/new parts to get it to wind freely as the newer pam312s. Pass by the AD and try winding other 312s and 328s. But be sure to check the production number on the back. Mine is from the first 100 I think (# 16 if im not mistaken either) and I am assuming that watches close to ours in production will be the same where as watches in the maybe 500s and up will be different.

20 January 2010, 06:21 PM	#9
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	Perhaps we could get other pam312 owners to voice thier experiences and base the results on production numbers on the back. I think its x/1500 right?

21 January 2010, 09:38 AM	#13
zlin08033 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 1,034	Mine seems OK I just got mine 328 L0xx/1000, very smooth.

26 January 2010, 02:57 PM	#16
johannsmit Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Utah, USA Posts: 49	I have 1663/2000 (K) and mine winds just fine!

26 January 2010, 03:06 PM	#17
Shade "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Norman Location: Jakarta Watch: All of 'em.. Posts: 2,926	Mine (Pam 312 though) feels just fine, smooth (I tried winding it a few minutes ago)... Did you get any news from service?

26 January 2010, 03:26 PM	#18
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	mine is K0016/2000

8 December 2010, 12:29 PM	#19
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	Update - Over the course of the last several months, the winding of my 312 has smoothed out completely...no more rough winding!

8 December 2010, 01:22 PM	#20
CorruptedSanity Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Saif Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE Watch: AP Posts: 402	thanks for the update rr-nyc mine has but not to the point where its smooth like my other winding watches. maybe you wind yours more than i do mine.

26 April 2012, 04:25 AM	#21
glimmer Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Here, everywhere Posts: 1,244	Was doing some research and came across this thread...I just acquired a 312 last week and it is winding the same way as described here. Any chance that you guys have resolved this issue? Should I just wait for it to smoothen out?

29 April 2012, 01:33 PM	#22
arai "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 4	My PAM 312 N17XX/4000 winds very smooth, just got it today

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