Faingator problems, I need some good advice

[mjclark32]

If you want to pay for shipping send the watch to me and I will have it serviced for you with a full FNFZ4 2 year warranty! FREE OF CHARGE!

I hope this gets resolved in an amicable way. its really dangerous to claim something that is out of our hands. A watch might be running within COSC specs one day and way outside of it the next. I have seen that happen.

Merry Christmas to all of you!

as a reminder... Love... Not War![/QUOTE]


Major kudos to you!
Whether the OP takes you up on this generous offer or not

[imono]

I do not see Woody wanting to keep the watch anymore.

Like me I'd send it back and buy something else.
Too much talk and this talk will come to no end.

[FNFZ4]

Originally Posted by RRsDJ

Not everyone rips you off by taking the money and splitting. Whats to say once Woody sends the watch back, faingator says its not in the original condition that he shipped it to him in and decides to deduct from his refund? Not saying he will just playing out a scenario. Ive personally been in a situation like that and its frustrating to say the least.

Woody said he would come down to Florida to do a face to face refund but the seller refused? That seems a little strange. Most every seller on TRF states they welcome a face to face transaction. I think that would be the best solution that way theres no dispute as to the condition of the watch being returned.

Just my .02¢.

This is another Scenario... that is true. But IMHO this is just a big misunderstanding and can be settled amicably. I dont think Richard would do that. All we have as sellers in this community is our name. 5k or 10k can not replace that reputation.

He is not really dishonest because he sent the watch. I have seen watches running fine then it gets dropped and its running all whack... I have timed a watch running +2. put it in the safe for 2 weeks, wear it, time it again and its loosing 20 secs...

However, the customer must be happy before I am happy.... so if he wants a refund, i even pay for the return shipping.... so its 0 cost to the buyer...

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by FNFZ4

This is another Scenario... that is true. But IMHO this is just a big misunderstanding and can be settled amicably. I dont think Richard would do that. All we have as sellers in this community is our name. 5k or 10k can not replace that reputation.

He is not really dishonest because he sent the watch. I have seen watches running fine then it gets dropped and its running all whack... I have timed a watch running +2. put it in the safe for 2 weeks, wear it, time it again and its loosing 20 secs...

However, the customer must be happy before I am happy.... so if he wants a refund, i even pay for the return shipping.... so its 0 cost to the buyer...

I agree. I dont think the seller sold it like that on purpose. I see he has alot of great feedback. Its just too bad this same thing has happened before on TRF. I dont understand why the seller isnt willing to do a face to face refund.

Woodys willing to come down from North Carolina to Florida on his own dime to do the refund. That seems like a win / win for both guys. It sucks for Woody because he'll still be out transportation cost but maybe he can make a vacation out of it and hit up Disney World and see DAVIDSW while hes down here to get himself another birthday present.

[Czechman]

I think we've reached an impasse here and this thread should be locked.

Whatever sliver of trust I may have had in the seller disappeared when he refused to do a face-to-face return. There is only one reason why he would want to receive and inspect the watch away from the eyes of others and it shouldn't be hard to figure that one out.

The only way I can guarantee that I won't be cheated again is if I keep the watch and have it repaired. I like the watch. If you look at my "happy birthday to me" posting and my original feedback for fain you can tell how happy I was until the truth came out.

The true test of a merchant is not what happens when things go right. The true test of a merchant is what happens when things go wrong. Refusing to do a face-to-face return speaks for itself.

I'm going to take FNFZ4 up on their incredible act of kindness so I'm done here, but not before I thank everyone for their thoughts and suggestions. This is a vibrant community and one of the more civil and educated forums on all of the Internet. I'm proud to be a member here.

THANK YOU:
kilyung (Mike) for offering to do the FTF return
689maple (Russ) for the background info on the seller
Kanger (Dan) for multiple offers of help
FNFX4 (Alfred) for showing the true meaning of Christmas

Peace out.

[Gaijin]

Sorry that things went haywire.



















IBTL!

[train-time]

WOW; no face to face return. It would seem to me that any upstanding seller would welcome a face to face return. He inspects the goods and you get your money back. Perhaps one of our other well know Florida sellers can handle the exchange as an independant third party and we get this settled now.

I predicted who the seller was in this situation based on his after the sale service in the last scenario. What is that they say about dealing with adversity that measures the character of a person?

[Czechman]

Originally Posted by Edward Arthur

WOW; no face to face return. It would seem to me that any upstanding seller would welcome a face to face return. He inspects the goods and you get your money back. Perhaps one of our other well know Florida sellers can handle the exchange as an independant third party and we get this settled now.

That's exactly what was proposed. kilyung (Mike) offered to do the F2F for me as a disinterested third party and faingator refused.

Dishonest person demands to receive and inspect the watch with no witness present with the "promise" to refund all of my money. Yea, right.

[SkyKing31]

Originally Posted by Czechman

That's exactly what was proposed. kilyung (Mike) offered to do the F2F for me as a disinterested third party and faingator refused.

Dishonest person demands to receive and inspect the watch with no witness present with the "promise" to refund all of my money. Yea, right.

Sorry for your headache Woody. The purchase of a Rolex weather it be new or preowned should be a wonderful experience. I hope you can have the watch fixed to your satisfaction. I think you are correct in keeping the watch because of the return policy. I can't imagine a seller refusing to do a F2F return unless the seller had bad intentions. I'm not saying he does, but thats just how I feel and my opinion. I hope that you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

[Gaijin]

OK, I take back my IBTL.


I think in all fairness we should hear more from Fangator on this. He has been one here for a long time and has had many transactions. As my brother the pilot says "You are only as good as your last landing."

Fangator this is your chance to say your piece.

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by Gaijin

OK, I take back my IBTL.


I think in all fairness we should hear more from Fangator on this. He has been one here for a long time and has had many transactions. As my brother the pilot says "You are only as good as your last landing."

Fangator this is your chance to say your piece.

He's already replied in this thread. We know he said return it, Woody doesn't feel comfortable. If you read the thread where this same thing happened last year the seller wasn't much help then either.

I'm glad Woody is getting his watch fixed! Pretty sad another seller not involved in this deal is stepping up and repairing it for free while the seller refuses a face to face refund.


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[Welshwatchman]

Kudos to Alfred (FNFZ4).

As I recall, the last time Faingator turned his back on a customer (Gasman as I recall), GREG stepped in to carry out good customer service. Kudos Greg (Mosco) also.

It seems unfair to label Faingator dishonest. You can't prove he knew that the watch wasn't keeping great time.

There is a case for suggesting that you may be better off purchasing from an AD or "Trusted Seller" here (those who you KNOW will come through for you) than take the risk with Faingator.

Saying that, if he's super cheap then you can take the risk of being on your lonesome if there's a problem of any sort.

[Gaijin]

Yes, I know. I read the thread I was just trying to give Faingator a public opportunity to give a more detailed version from his perspective or to make this whole. He has been relitively silent. I'd like to hear what he has to say. He has done numerous successful transactions here.

In business when a item return is warranted it is normally returned and then the money refunded. I see no evidence that he would not return the money if the OP returned the watch. I would not necessarily agree to a third party acting to return it either. Between me and the buyer.

[Welshwatchman]

I've deleted the second thread regarding this and edited the above title to include the seller username.

Remember we can't just pronounce people as dishonest/fraudulent/etc.

It is a matter of subjective OPINION. The facts need to be stated so that the reader can form their own opinion.

[Mickey®]

Buying a used watch is always a risk...one man's "looks great and keeps time" is another man's "POS and needs service".

Good luck to all.

[Czechman]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

I've deleted the second thread regarding this and edited the above title to include the seller username.
Remember we can't just pronounce people as dishonest/fraudulent/etc.
It is a matter of subjective OPINION. The facts need to be stated so that the reader can form their own opinion.

Mr Moderator,

I originally posted this here just looking for advice on how to deal with a situation in general and intentionally did not mention the sellers name. I simply wanted advice, but then the seller outed himself. It was always my intention that if I wasn't able to resolve this without outing this guy I would follow up in "Who's Who".

As a result of this discussion, kilyung volunteered to act as an independent party and do a face-to-face return with the seller... but faingator refused the face-to-face leaving me with no alternative than to post in the Who's Who forum.

The "Who's Who" forum is the place where people go to check the credibility of buyers and sellers. Deleting my post from "Who's Who" defeats the purpose of that forum. If this thread can only exist in one forum, PLEASE move it to Who's Who so other people who are looking there can hear this story.

This is absolutely the last I have to say in public regarding this subject. Anyone wanting to contact me regarding this is asked to do it in a PM.

Good day.

[lig]

Woody - I hope this issue is resolved soon.

As a relative newb here I have certainly seen evidence of who I would NOT buy from as well as some very generous community spirit from multiple members.

[FNFZ4]

Sorry to hear that you cant come to an amicable solution.

No Worries, just let me know in advance when you want to send me your watch and ill take care of it. If you need my references, I am sure you can find a few here in TRF.

It seems unfair to label Faingator dishonest. You can't prove he knew that the watch wasn't keeping great time.

There is a case for suggesting that you may be better off purchasing from an AD or "Trusted Seller" here (those who you KNOW will come through for you) than take the risk with Faingator.

Saying that, if he's super cheap then you can take the risk of being on your lonesome if there's a problem of any sort.

Paul,

you are fair and spot on once again....

There are a lot of things that can happen to shipping a watch... it can get magnetize, it can be dropped, banged up etc etc etc...

I understand how you feel Woody and given past precedents, its easy to come to a conclusion of dishonesty. However, I believe and concur with Paul that dishonesty is such a strong word. Yes, there was a similar situation in the past.

But as a fellow seller, I would also ask for the return of the watch prior to issuing a refund. That I understand Richards position. Like I said before, It is highly unlikely that he will keep the watch and not refund you your money. if that was his intention, he would not have sent a watch in the first place. I understand your fears and concerns and they are valid, but I believe it is highly unlikely because he is not known to be a scammer.

I am also weary meeting people face to face. I only meet them in Banks that have armed guards. Even that is not a guarantee of safety. Remember what happen to Gab? (Sorry to pull you into this Bro...) He was in a Bank when the guy took his watch... I believe that Richard is just trying to avoid an escalation or an altercation.

What about the 3rd Party? Well I am not sure why he would not agree to 3rd Party. We all know Mike (kilyung) is a stand up guy!

Again, I am not siding with either member.

Woody,

I got your PM and just let me know when you want to send it. No Worries and Merry Christmas to you all...

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Czechman

Mr Moderator,

Mr Member.

You are welcome to create a fresh thread in the Buyer/Seller but keep it factual and simple.

You are also welcome to link to this thread.

[perpetualman88]

Originally Posted by RRsDJ

Not everyone rips you off by taking the money and splitting. Whats to say once Woody sends the watch back, faingator says its not in the original condition that he shipped it to him in and decides to deduct from his refund? Not saying he will just playing out a scenario. Ive personally been in a situation like that and its frustrating to say the least.

Woody said he would come down to Florida to do a face to face refund but the seller refused? That seems a little strange. Most every seller on TRF states they welcome a face to face transaction. I think that would be the best solution that way theres no dispute as to the condition of the watch being returned.

Just my .02¢.

you are right not wanting to meet up in person is strange

[TempoKing]

Free Service offer:
Woody ...my buddy who does all of my watches is an official Rolex employed
Factory Service specialist watchmaker...I will do a service to your watch
and after that... your watch will be singing...Oooo Sole Mio..in D majore
No need to go further.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Free Service offer:
Woody ...my buddy who does all of my watches is an official Rolex employed
Factory Service specialist watchmaker...I will do a service to your watch
and after that... your watch will be singing...Oooo Sole Mio..in D majore
No need to go further.

You're late to the party Big A, he already has a free service offer.

Send him the equivilent in cash instead.

[FNFZ4]

Originally Posted by MonBK

You're late to the party Big A, he already has a free service offer.

Send him the equivilent in cash instead.

No worries. He can go either one of US... its a win win for all...

[TempoKing]

Originally Posted by MonBK

You're late to the party Big A, he already has a free service offer.

Send him the equivilent in cash instead.

............................................. ...............silly man..

Maybe Woody has something I want...

[T.S.Eliot]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Mr Member.

You are welcome to create a fresh thread in the Buyer/Seller but keep it factual and simple.

You are also welcome to link to this thread.

That actually made me smile comic relief in the right time

[T.S.Eliot]

Originally Posted by MonBK

You're late to the party Big A, he already has a free service offer.

Send him the equivilent in cash instead.

Originally Posted by TempoKing

............................................. ...............silly man..

Maybe Woody has something I want...

Very funny guys very funny

[RRsDJ]

Originally Posted by T.S.Eliot

That actually made me smile comic relief in the right time

Comic relief at the right time? I doubt Woody found it funny.

[T.S.Eliot]

Originally Posted by RRsDJ

Comic relief at the right time? I doubt Woody found it funny.

Woody can speak for himself, as far as your concerned, you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else.

[hsfrank]

Originally Posted by MonBK

If you would disclose the location of the seller maybe one of our trusted members could act as a middleman?

It has worked before to both parties satisfaction.

A most excellent idea! You send the watch to him which he holds until he receives the money. Certainly any price or fee you paid will be well worth it. I can not help but believe that he would agree to this. It works for both of you. If he won't agree it is full disclosure and peer pressure time.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by hsfrank

A most excellent idea! You send the watch to him which he holds until he receives the money. Certainly any price or fee you paid will be well worth it. I can not help but believe that he would agree to this. It works for both of you. If he won't agree it is full disclosure and peer pressure time.

If you actually read this thread you'll find that the seller turned this down.