Omega Seamaster or Rolex Submariner

[DJJon]

OP: Keep your sights on adding a Sub as time goes on. It is a light watch and smaller, but as time goes on you may find these to be strengths. Get the Maxicase Sub-C or new SubND-C if you want that incremental increase in perceived size.

The black face/black dial DEFINES what a diver watch is.
Anything else is a variation on the theme - The Rolex Submariner theme, to be exact.

[JP Chestnut]

Originally Posted by DJJon

OP: Keep your sights on adding a Sub as time goes on. It is a light watch and smaller, but as time goes on you may find these to be strengths. Get the Maxicase Sub-C or new SubND-C if you want that incremental increase in perceived size.

The black face/black dial DEFINES what a diver watch is.
Anything else is a variation on the theme - The Rolex Submariner theme, to be exact.

The BP 50 Fathoms and the Rolex Sub were both produced in 1953 (maybe 1954 for Rolex, depending on how you count). They both had black dials. How exactly did Rolex define the dive watch theme?

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JP Chestnut

The BP 50 Fathoms and the Rolex Sub were both produced in 1953 (maybe 1954 for Rolex, depending on how you count). They both had black dials. How exactly did Rolex define the dive watch theme?

Yup:
http://people.timezone.com/jmerino/history50.pdf

Also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch

[mrallen13]

Originally Posted by WatchingTime

The Sub's strength is unfortunately also its weakness. It's basically the same watch it was 50 years ago, and 10 years ago, and today. While the sports cars from 50 years ago are legendary, they cannot hold there own against a modern day sports car. I have been doing ALOT of research and reading, and I came into the forum entirely unbiased. I have owned two Rolex's (a DJ and the Presidential DD w/ diamond dial). I too bought into the Rolex mystique, but I am older and wiser now. If I want someone to notice me, I'll wear my Presidential. The fact is, I DON"T want someone to notice my Presidential in the outdoorsy town I live in, so it is getting sold for either a Rolex Explorer II, or the Omega Planet Ocean. IMHO, two of the most modern sport watches you can buy.

One thing is for sure on the Rolex Forum... no one questions the technology and quality of the new Planet Ocean w/ the 8500 movement and ceramic bezel. The only thing the sub seems to have going for it is the Glidelock clasp. As for just the Rolex brand, I am reading of more Rolex aficionados switching to the new Explorer II from the SUB, then the opposite.

Hmmm... so I can buy a Planet Ocean, which reportedly is a better, more modern watch than the SUB for less money? The PO offers a better, more modern movement, and it is offered in a "full size" 42 and 45.5mm (sorry, but a 40mm SUB is just too small Rolex!) AND it is also a VERY well respected timepiece in the watch community which is gaining market share?

It's really not a contest between the PO and the SUB. It's a contest between the Explorer II and the PO (I don't need a divers watch, just like the look).

P.s. If anyone has anything negative to say about the new Planet Ocean, I WANT to hear both sides of the argument. Love the forum, and I enjoy a constructive, spirited discussion (it is what makes us all the wiser). Cheers.

WatchingTime,

I have owned both - 2 Sub and one PO. The PO 8500 is an amazingly beautiful watch. While the hands aren't the best in my opinion, the rest of the watch's styling made them perfectly acceptable. I owned that watch for just about 10 days and it was with great difficulty that I ended up trading it in. The watch was so incredibly thick and top heavy for me and without the bracelet having a micro adjustment, it simply beat my wrists to death, which is something I've never experience with any other dive watch. By the time I took it back, my plastic Timex Ironman watch hurt to wear.

All that said, I still find it a beautiful watch and find myself thinking it wasn't that bad and force myself to walk away when I see one in a shop. Maybe find a PO Anonymous meeting. Hi, I'm Matt. I haven't worn a PO in 3 months...

The new SubC ND has really grown on me though. I had previously owned a Sub Date that had been my father's and the change in dial and case took getting used to, but now I couldn't see going back.

Both watches are great for what they are supposed to do - keep accurate time underwater and look good doing it. Whichever one best meets your style/desire is the best. The rest is just noise.

Matt

[SUBversive]

I want to be seen. I want it to be noticed. I want to go to a club and a woman who knows her style to see my watch and know what I'm about. I want it to get respect."

Sorry in my opinion these are all the wrong reasons.

A watch won't do that. And flashing it like crazy wont do it either.

The woman at the club who knows her style will think "wow that guy with he igucci watch just maxed out his credit card"

[dysondiver]

buy pre owned , and buy both , black sub , or een a bluesey ,,, and an omega with a different colour scheme , white face and steel bezel maybe .

[jshepard]

He sounds like a fairly young guy... For flash he should've gotten a yellow gold president. Take it from rappers... Nothing says "hey look at me, I'm rich!" more than a young dude with a yellow gold DD. Unless he was willing to go AP ROO....

[yld2rob]

Well. I have both a Seamaster PO and a Rolex Submariner. The Seamaster was my first watch. I love the Omega brand. Needless to say, I still wear them both. I wear my PO as more of an everyday watch. People have come to my table before in the food court to talk about it. I keep my Sub reserved for suits and other special occasions. I am a little OCD. I hate scratches on my watches. BUT, if I was going to have only one watch and had the money for the sub, I would get the sub. It will retain a higher value, and it more noticeable.

[gpo1956]

I owned a Seamaster 2254.50 for 4 years. It was a great watch. I recently came into some "found" money and decided that it was now or never for a Rolex. I bought the 116710 and frankly, I'm a little torn. I love the beauty and quality of the Rolex. I also love the "name". However, I'm 56 years old and the watch is fairly small, especially considering how crowded the face is. Its not a quick glance and get the time watch. Also, the lume is absolutely terrible. The worst I've ever experienced on any watch, much less on a top tier. I love the watch and will keep it due to the circumstances under which it was bought, but I probably would have gone with one of the high end PO Omegas if I had it to do over again.

[Armyguy03]

After reading all the posts I had to re-edit. Glad you made a decision and selected the Omega. I had one, got rid of it for a Sub C, then came a Sub SS. Now I never wear my C because I can go NATO and I have a different watch everyday, also for me, this is the perfect watch. Moreover, no one knows what kind of watch I have on, and for me it is a plus. I too grew up in the ghettos of NYC, fought hard to do right (gangs, drugs, shootings; typical silly behavior of those who refuse to educate and see the bigger picture). Now sitting at 34, after being around the world and combat on my personal choice to serve my country (Iraq & Afghanistan,) I view class, wealth, and life entirely different. Personally I could care less what I or my fellow man has on, because in death you can't take any of it. Moreover, life keeps ticking when your gone. I remember standing at a "fallen Soldier Ceremony, shedding tears for something i still dont understand, and likely never will. Hundreds of people joing together to express grief and sorry for a lost one, connecting, shedding all egos, biases, personalities, to look at one another and see it click that life is worth so much more. HOWEVER, if what you have on makes you happy, then shoot for the moon and if you make it, you'll have on the moons official watch (although many astro's were known, and photographed wearing Rolex GMTs ). Enjoy your purchase, keep striving for success and realize that one day, the chase isn't all that its cracked up to be. I say this because one day, after a cruise in Hawaii, a pretty woman asked me what type of car I drove? My immediate response was "How many degrees do you have?" She immediately froze and couldn't answer. At that moment I realized that material will get you only so far. The doors that have been opened to me, that allowed me to progress mentally, financially, and spiritually had nothing to do with material wealth only with what was in my head, and valued by my heart. Wise men know who is the fool. In his song (the BEST ever), "Rat Race," Bob Marley said it the best "In the abundance of water the fool is thirsty."

CPT

[GradyPhilpott]

Just buy a nice watch that you like and don't try to impart qualities to a material object that it just will never have.

Good taste can come in many shapes, sizes, and prices.

Those who would judge you by the stuff you own are not really the types of people who will have your best interest at heart.

I agree that nice stuff does help to present an image, but an image needs to be supported by substance and character.

A lot of people have already said as much and they really are doing you a favor.

Just pick a nice watch that pleases you. That's what's important.