Would you accept this ???

[bp1983]

what would you say the condition of this watch is, is it as described?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=264904

dent can't be picked up by the camera I was told

[dssxxxx]

If you keep it, then just have it serviced and it will look like new.

[Watchdog]

Love that model, but it was misrepresented to you IMO.

[Flat6fan]

the seller made a mistake and admitted it. You should be made whole, and not have to pay shipping. if seller tries to make you eat the shipping costs, but refunds the watch price, you should name and shame him.(after the check clears). Everyone makes mistakes. You should state clearly to the seller what it will take to satisfy you. If he does the right thing, you should tell the world that, too.

[Bluehinder]

Originally Posted by Mickey®

Depends on the PRICE I paid.

This is the only question. The rest can be fixed. Is it worth the hassle? If the price was good/great, I'd just polish it.

Talk to him and demand a reduction in the price. He doesn't want any trouble either.

[agfebres]

Sounds like a classic case of Deception....

[c9smw]

A quick update on what has happened.
I spoke to a watchmaker I know who gave me a price to change the crystal & polish up to look like new again. I gave this price to the seller who has agreed to cover the cost and is sending me a partial refund. I should have the watch in a few days, I'll post some pictures so we have a before and after

[andyboy39]

Not as described, return this item for a refund.

[JGX]

Originally Posted by c9smw

A quick update on what has happened.
I spoke to a watchmaker I know who gave me a price to change the crystal & polish up to look like new again. I gave this price to the seller who has agreed to cover the cost and is sending me a partial refund. I should have the watch in a few days, I'll post some pictures so we have a before and after

Seems like a fair solution.

[TakesALickin]

Originally Posted by bp1983

is there a guide or guideline to show how to describe a used watch you are selling? to some people like new might be one thing compared to another persons like new,,,how do you describe it fairly because sometimes pictures dont tell the full story? any thoughts?

Usually considered the collecting community's standard:

Timezone Grading System

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by JGX

Seems like a fair solution.

the best solution and similar as i wrote in my earlier comment,
a nice compensation better for all parties involved

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by c9smw

A quick update on what has happened.
I spoke to a watchmaker I know who gave me a price to change the crystal & polish up to look like new again. I gave this price to the seller who has agreed to cover the cost and is sending me a partial refund. I should have the watch in a few days, I'll post some pictures so we have a before and after

as long as you're happy with that - good luck and look forward to the 'after' pics!

[tattooedfagin]

I'd be miffed too but being in the UK I'd be reluctant to return due to hassle & waiting around, so long as all else is fine the scratches can be sorted well with a Cape Cod cloth....I'd email the seller along with photos of the marks & ask for a part refund if possible, that or return if it really bothers you

[Vincent65]

no offense mate, but a Cape Cod won't touch most of that, and you don't want the satin/brushed (what's left of it) finished facets, to go shiny, which is what a CC cloth would do!

[Royalex]

Unacceptable

[chicfarmer1]

They lied to you, sadly. It's that simple.

Glad you had a resolution that you can live with. You might want to post the info on the seller, however, on the Watch Out section, explaining the resolution as well as the initial problem.

[Auragentum]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

no offense mate, but a Cape Cod won't touch most of that, and you don't want the satin/brushed (what's left of it) finished facets, to go shiny, which is what a CC cloth would do!

Exactly.

OP: Hope everything works out for you. Keep us posted.

[Richmond1958]

I would certainly return, but just hedge your exposure as many wise members have commented.

[Rocco22]

I would be pissed and get my money back if that was described as new.

[Asdapuff]

not acceptable...get an amount of your money back, that exceeds the cost of a polish, and hopefully end up with a cheaper watch.

[honeybear]

You can only polish a watch a finite number of times before you loose the sharpness of the case lines. To me, simply paying for the cost of a polish and crystal replacement is inadequate compensation, since a polished watch is worth less than a like new watch.

[c9smw]

Well here it is, back to it's former glory !!! (Except the dust, but I'm at work)










I've got to say, this watch is ace !!! I know alot of people have slated the movement in this watch, to a point were I was dubious about buying one, but in 2 days it has gained 1 second !!! Thats better than an of the Sub's, Daytona's, YM's or GMT's that I've owned over the years.
My current SubC (below) gains approx 3 seconds per day

[Vincent65]

that's better - now enjoy it!

[davenotize]

If you got a decent deal and you love the watch, then keep it. simply grab a scotch brite pad and give it an even wipe and your scratches are off. those scratches look like they were collected in a months use.

[Tools]

The watch looks great..

Glad that everything worked out.. Now you can truly say that it is "like new"..

[padi56]

Originally Posted by c9smw

Well here it is, back to it's former glory !!! (Except the dust, but I'm at work)





I've got to say, this watch is ace !!! I know alot of people have slated the movement in this watch, to a point were I was dubious about buying one, but in 2 days it has gained 1 second !!! Thats better than an of the Sub's, Daytona's, YM's or GMT's that I've owned over the years.
My current SubC (below) gains approx 3 seconds per day

Glad it all turned out right in the end,while I would agree there is a lot of hype on the net about the Dubois-dépraz module it takes a real experienced watchmaker with knowledge of the Dubois-dépraz to service it.My watchmaker friend stated he had only seen one with a problem and he has serviced a few of them over the years.Now In the module all the main wheels are well over engineered and at least five times thicker and stronger than in most other normal chrono movements, plus all pushers, heart cams, and pivots are well over engineered. And the module finish work on all internal parts are too quite a high standard.IMHO even the polishing of heart cam sides for hammer function is excellent and to a very high standard of finish IMHO it is better than Rolex own movement finish.So what this boils down too if they are properly serviced these modules will last a lifetime of usage.

Don't assume all chrono modules are equal now these modules are quite expensive in there own right.So should be serviced with watchmakers who has the credentials and tools to service them, but sadly many today will not service them, but IMHO thats simply because they don't know how too its that simple.IMHO you are looking at an well over engineered chrono module for a wristwatch, but if a say local watchmaker takes your module apart and damages a part, he will have trouble getting it from the manufacturer.These Dubois-dépraz module need precise oiling,plus wheel height and jewel adjustments.Plus the end shake of wheel adjustments and of course the driving wheel seating position from the base 2892 calibre gear must mesh to the module properly, and this can be a very tedious task to do if you are not skilled with the module.

Now this is one of the main reasons why they have a bad name in the watch service industry not because they are a bad chrono module. Its because they need proper care and service with the correct oils and grease etc.IMHO its a fine chrono module with the excellent ETA 2892 and cannot see any reason with proper service to last a life time and beyond, myself would have no problem buying one.And I would not think that Rolex would have put this combination, into any Rolex Tudor watch if they thought it would ever be a problem movement, and they did not have the skills to service them or have the parts for many many years to come,enjoy your watch in good health for many years to come..