Rolex NO ETA / TUDOR ETA .. I don't get it.

[applebook]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

What's prestigious about a watch movement being made 100% in-house? Lots of watch corporations are being pieced together so that they can claim their movements are "100% in-house" b

Which companies are you referring to? Who makes these false claims?

The obvious answer to your question is that you can't buy a watch with a Rolex movement for under a grand, while you CAN buy many watches with the same ETA movement as the Tudor for significantly less than what Tudor charges. What makes Tudor's ETA so special?

The question to this thread should be "why is Tudor charging a premium for their basic ETA watches?"

[applebook]

Originally Posted by powerband

I was hoping to buy a Fiat for the prestige.

And the 550 hp V8 or V12 in the rear too.

[Singslinger]

[QUOTE=applebook;4272404]Which companies are you referring to? Who makes these false claims?

The obvious answer to your question is that you can't buy a watch with a Rolex movement for under a grand, while you CAN buy many watches with the same ETA movement as the Tudor for significantly less than what Tudor charges. What makes Tudor's ETA so special?

The question to this thread should be "why is Tudor charging a premium for their basic ETA watches?"[/

It's all relative isn't it? Someone earlier posted the same question about Panerai as compared to Tudor...

Personally, I think Tudor offer decent value for money. They offer a wide range of attractive sports and dress watches that are backed by the Rolex service network

[Tools]

Not sure why some folks seem so concerned about the price of a Tudor and somehow equate price to the ETA ebauch that Rolex heavily modifies for them..

Many watches use ETA movements and are more costly than a Tudor.. You're buying the prestige and reputation of a top-tier watch, not a well dressed beater movement.

Omega, Ulysse Nardin, Breitling, Bregeut, Blancpain, Longines, Rado and a few others work just fine with ETA movements...

Let's use another car analogy... It's like passing up that Shelby Cobra because it uses a Ford engine..

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by applebook

Which companies are you referring to? Who makes these false claims?

Well, I think Carl F. Bucherer acquired an atelier a few years ago. Panerai's movement factory also does work for other Richemont brands, etc. They're not "false claims" IMHO since they are, legitimately, manufacturers now. Just saying there's lots of corporate finagling going on and the movement itself is what's important.

Originally Posted by applebook

The obvious answer to your question is that you can't buy a watch with a Rolex movement for under a grand, while you CAN buy many watches with the same ETA movement as the Tudor for significantly less

I wasn't talking about the relative quality of Rolex vs. ETA movements; of course Rolex movements are superior. I'm saying that the movement quality has nothing to do with whether or not the movement maker is part of the same corporation as the casemaker. I think the whole "in-house movement" hype will fade in the next decade or two.

[superdog]

Why does in house movement = prestige?

[Jason71]

Originally Posted by applebook

The question to this thread should be "why is Tudor charging a premium for their basic ETA watches?"

How do you know how much Tudor is modifying this movement?? I own many watches with ETA movements, ESPECIALLY the ETA 2824-2 and NONE of them run as accurately as my Black Bay. I might have just gotten lucky, or else they highly regulated it before it left the factory...........but I tend to believe it is highly modified.

[landroverking]

Yes. Eta is the base.

[ingoodtime]

There is no question about ETA quality. Ibelieve myBreitling superocean steelfish xplus caliber 17 is a modified ETA movement and it has been agreat watch. My Potger Pietri Earthquake 6.9 has a valjoux 7750 chrono movement which is highly regarded in the horology world. I would be proud to wear a tudor watch. We sll know it is a quality watch at a much moreaffordable price than Rolex which has become unaffordable for many of us past loyal customers.

[francis]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Apparently Tudor is not up to your "prestige" standards. If status trumps everything else then Rolex is where you should concentrate your efforts.

I however, have no problem with the use of chronometer grade ETA movements in my Tudor watches. They've preformed as consistently and flawlessly as any Rolex I've owned. Plus I enjoy Tudor's more adventurous design approach. To each their own.
dP

Indeed. I have no problem with the non chronometer grade ETA's... The ones I have are at least equal to any Rolex I have had or have... My Hamilton's accuracy and consistency are only rivaled by my Omega..

[Billywiz]

The car anolgy works for me ...just because this is a Rolex owned company isnt it like comparing the top of the range Lexus to the entry level Toyota? Both owned by the same company but incomparable luxury

Both great cars...but I know what Id want..land would'nt

[Billywiz]

Originally Posted by superdog

Why does in house movement = prestige?

Exactly...the Panerai I had after they incorporated thier in house movement was completely useless...worst most unreliable , uncomfortable , noisy watch Zi ever owned?
The older one pre in house was terrific.

[FeelingTheBlues]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Apparently Tudor is not up to your "prestige" standards. If status trumps everything else then Rolex is where you should concentrate your efforts.

I however, have no problem with the use of chronometer grade ETA movements in my Tudor watches. They've preformed as consistently and flawlessly as any Rolex I've owned. Plus I enjoy Tudor's more adventurous design approach. To each their own.
dP

Very, very well said Dan. I've worked on some ETA movements and the 2824 was one of my favorite, it was a pretty accurate one and well built in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Agree 100% DP! Not to mention how durable and precise their Valjoux's are in my vintage Daytona's, Tudors and Omega's!!!!

Indeed my friend, as far as I know Rolex's good reputation regarding the quality of their movements was earned before they started making fully in-house ones, just like Patek.

I think the stigma associated with ETA is pretty much like the one associated with Seiko or Grand Seiko, everybody is entitled to his opinion but I think a lot would probably change their mind if they read more about those names. Rolex does make some great reliable watches but they're not the only ones, even if the others don't make every single component of their timepieces.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by applebook

Which companies are you referring to? Who makes these false claims?

The obvious answer to your question is that you can't buy a watch with a Rolex movement for under a grand, while you CAN buy many watches with the same ETA movement as the Tudor for significantly less than what Tudor charges. What makes Tudor's ETA so special?

The question to this thread should be "why is Tudor charging a premium for their basic ETA watches?"

Again I can see you have little knowledge of ETA yes ETA makes a base movement but in most of the movements they make 5 grades.Now the top 2 grades are chronometer movements and cost quite a bit more than the base movements like in say the round of the mill watches.Its a bit like say Seiko you cannot compare the movements in there volume high street mechanical watches,with the mechanical in the Seiko Grand and Credor range, totally different movements its the same for ETA.And don't forget Rolex used movements from ETA Valjoux in there mechanical chronographs,before the Zenith and the in-house made 4130.