GMT Master II - Red Needle

[kevinsky]

Hi there,

Could anyone tell whether GMT Master II - red needle (16710), either red black bezel, red blue or black is available in US? If yes, how much and any discount?

Thanks a lot in advance.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by kevinsky

Hi there,

Could anyone tell whether GMT Master II - red needle (16670), either red black bezel, red blue or black is available in US? If yes, how much and any discount?

Thanks a lot in advance.

I think you mean 16710. Yes, still available but getting harder to find. List is $5140.00 US I think. Some AD's will discount because they are selling the new GMT IIc [116710].
Good luck,
dP

[kevinsky]

Tks Dan. I misquoted the ref.

how much discount it is usually offered for a watch like 16710 in the States? I'm far away in Hong Kong and haven't been to the States for four years.

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

I think you mean 16710. Yes, still available but getting harder to find. List is $5140.00 US I think. Some AD's will discount because they are selling the new GMT IIc [116710].
Good luck,
dP

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Welcome to TRF!

There still are GMT II 16710's out there, but better be quick since they are not made anymore. As for discount?? Depends on the AD and your negotiations skills, but I'd say you should be able to get around 10 to 15 %.

Best of luck!

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Welcome to TRF!

There still are GMT II 16710's out there, but better be quick since they are not made anymore. As for discount?? Depends on the AD and your negotiations skills, but I'd say you should be able to get around 10 to 15 %.

Best of luck!

hi nice to see ya!

im seeing whether i can go to the States soon. i hope i can! or i may need to ask for help of someone who's travelling around.

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Welcome to TRF!

There still are GMT II 16710's out there, but better be quick since they are not made anymore. As for discount?? Depends on the AD and your negotiations skills, but I'd say you should be able to get around 10 to 15 %.

Best of luck!

You in Denmark then? You mean stock is available in Europe?

[0luke1]

I ordered and picked up a 16710 this year. It came with a GMT IIc manual, by the way.

Find an AD who will ship the box back to you - then you can avoid sales tax (roughly 7% depending on the state you buy it in). You should also be able to get a 15% discount on a watch like that.

[mike]

They can still be had. Pricing will vary depending on the AD's policies.

[GoldenBear]

I saw a couple of each the other day. They even had the two dials (ll and II).

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Originally Posted by kevinsky

You in Denmark then? You mean stock is available in Europe?

They seem to be sold out from the Danish AD's, I am afraid, but there might be other European AD's who have NOS (New Old Stock) GMT II 16710's.

[Fatso]

Chateau d'Ivoire in Montreal has two left. They're asking CA $5500

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by 0luke1

I ordered and picked up a 16710 this year. It came with a GMT IIc manual, by the way.

Find an AD who will ship the box back to you - then you can avoid sales tax (roughly 7% depending on the state you buy it in). You should also be able to get a 15% discount on a watch like that.

You mean they gave you GMT IIc at a price of 16710? Cool ~

I almost forgot the sales tax issue as it is not required in HK. Is the price quoted as retail price with sales tax inclusive, or I need to pay 7% of the sales tax? Maybe I can claim tax refund as a tourist.

[kevinsky]

Thank you all for the kind responses!!

[sleedawg]

When and which part of the US are you visiting? If you're going to be in the NYC area, I can suggest a dealer that I believe has a red/blue and red/black 16710 in stock.

MSRP on the 16710 is $5075 and then take about 10-15% off for discount and then add 7% for sales tax. (depending on what state, the tax will change - my suggestion is 7% tax)

Not sure if you can get the 7% sales tax back as tourist. I know you can do that in Europe, but not sure if you can do that in the US.

[Tools]

I've noticed the 16710 availability is drying up.. Some Grey Dealers are not even offering it anymore as their source suppliers do not need to "dump" any excess stock.

If you do find some AD's with this model in stock, I'm not so sure you are going to see a lot of discounting..

There are plenty of people willing to pay MSRP since this is their last chance to get this discontinued model new..

Of course, it all depends on the policy of the AD you're shopping at..

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by sleedawg

When and which part of the US are you visiting? If you're going to be in the NYC area, I can suggest a dealer that I believe has a red/blue and red/black 16710 in stock.

MSRP on the 16710 is $5075 and then take about 10-15% off for discount and then add 7% for sales tax. (depending on what state, the tax will change - my suggestion is 7% tax)

Not sure if you can get the 7% sales tax back as tourist. I know you can do that in Europe, but not sure if you can do that in the US.

im checking it with my friend on the claimability of sales tax in the states. well, years ago, i almost went to the WA state every year but i didn't do any sales tax claim. perhaps it's not the same as it is in europe. btw, EU countries charge higher sales tax than yours do.

[Felly Jr.]

Originally Posted by kevinsky

Hi there,

Could anyone tell whether GMT Master II - red needle (16710), either red black bezel, red blue or black is available in US? If yes, how much and any discount?

Thanks a lot in advance.

My AD has a Pepsi left and I believe a Coke as well. PM me if you would like the contact info. They're in Oregon so you won't pay sales tax and I'm sure you could get some sort of discount as I think he's looking to move it quick.

[Lubrifar]

Why not just find one in HKG and bargain the price down?

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by Felly Jr.

My AD has a Pepsi left and I believe a Coke as well. PM me if you would like the contact info. They're in Oregon so you won't pay sales tax and I'm sure you could get some sort of discount as I think he's looking to move it quick.

THANKS! Let me consider it. I really like GMT II coke.

But they will send it to me? I've no one known in the Oregon state.

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by Lubrifar

Why not just find one in HKG and bargain the price down?

There was no coke, pepsi or black GMT II in HK anymore for the following reasons:

(i) the Mainland Chinese come to HK and buy a lot of luxurious goods including of course Rolexes. Not only GMT, there are few sub and exp ii's in the market.

(ii) The previous stock should have dried up and even at the retail price without discount (in HK, AD usually offers 5% to 10% for sports models), it's hard to find a brand-new piece.

Fyi, even for the green needle, i.e. GMT IIc, the stock is also short and the market price was once 14% higher than the retail price.

Our market is different. In the past, the Japanese came to buy and now the Mainland Chinese come to consume. After all, goods are cheaper in HK as the HK$ (pegged to US$) has depreciated a lot and there is still no sales tax even though the government really wanna widen the tax base.

Having said that, GMT ii was not a popular sports model in HK. It is only the birth of GMT IIc to have brought some edge to this model.

[kevinsky]

Originally Posted by sleedawg

When and which part of the US are you visiting? If you're going to be in the NYC area, I can suggest a dealer that I believe has a red/blue and red/black 16710 in stock.

MSRP on the 16710 is $5075 and then take about 10-15% off for discount and then add 7% for sales tax. (depending on what state, the tax will change - my suggestion is 7% tax)

Not sure if you can get the 7% sales tax back as tourist. I know you can do that in Europe, but not sure if you can do that in the US.

My friend said that tourists can get the 7% sales tax back though the detailed procedures are yet to be confirmed.

[Incurable]

With current exchange rates, you may be able to do well here in the US. Shipping internationally could be an issue, dependant on the AD. Unless things have gone up, the $5075 list price is correct. Discounts are also available, again, dependant on AD. You may want to check in w/Downing (IIRC) and see if Portland, OR has any in stock. I know deals have been negotiated before but I don't want to speak for others or their willingness to help out. The other thing to be aware of are trade agreements. I know I can order from HK duty free because of existing trade agreements. Local state sales tax would be irrelevant regardless of what state you buy from. Good luck!!

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by Tools

I've noticed the 16710 availability is drying up.. Some Grey Dealers are not even offering it anymore as their source suppliers do not need to "dump" any excess stock.

If you do find some AD's with this model in stock, I'm not so sure you are going to see a lot of discounting..

There are plenty of people willing to pay MSRP since this is their last chance to get this discontinued model new..

Of course, it all depends on the policy of the AD you're shopping at..

You're right about that, Larry. I just checked www.alanfurman.com and they're only offering the 11671x models. Maybe they still have a few of the 1671x models in the back room that they're not advertizing.

[mailman]

Cayce at Pre-Owned Rolex has two '07 16710 models for sale.

[JBat]

Originally Posted by Felly Jr.

My AD has a Pepsi left and I believe a Coke as well. PM me if you would like the contact info. They're in Oregon so you won't pay sales tax and I'm sure you could get some sort of discount as I think he's looking to move it quick.

Felly, could you PM me with your AD's contact info? Thanks!

[Felly Jr.]

Originally Posted by JBat

Felly, could you PM me with your AD's contact info? Thanks!

PM sent