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tobey fischer · 19 October 2013, 11:00 PM

now i know it is not the kind of forum to discuss such matters and i don't want to bother you guys. i recently bought a submariner 114060 ceramic . i am going to start by saying it was a dream watch for 3 years . an most importantly i am a PERFECTIONIST when it comes to objects and i hate that fact . i was SOO pleased with the sub c the first week but recently , i discovered that the clasp is welded to the bracelet instead of being pinned or screwed and that made me very sad about the sub i just don't find it good anymore because of just that i really hate myself for that i mean i have what i always wanted but because of the simple fact that the clasp is welded to the bracelet i can't seem to enjoy it can you guys help me or is it just the wrong forum ?

Cc1966 · 19 October 2013, 11:02 PM

Very sad that it is welded? Hmmm....perhaps you do need to change to another watch...best not to sweat it, and try to enjoy it!

azguy · 19 October 2013, 11:06 PM

sell it, use your phone to tell time

SC11 · 19 October 2013, 11:11 PM

Nothing wrong with a weld !

There was some issues early on but it appears Rolex have addressed it so way worry !

I've seen/heard more issues of screws coming out then failing welds, food for thought.

Stop worrying and enjoy life's too short.

03cobraa · 19 October 2013, 11:15 PM

Do you have a Car, Motorcycle, bike? If you do, Its got welded part too!
What do you have against welding?? Most of the time it IS the best way to join metals together. Don't sweat it! The Sub-C is one of the best watches you can get! I know.. I've got one too!

tobey fischer · 19 October 2013, 11:17 PM

thanks guys amazing how this forum has so many nice people

77T · 19 October 2013, 11:18 PM

There are many parts and pieces in a Rolex that could be done differently - and many could debate done better.

How would you react to some of those shortcomings?

My suggestion is to realize a weld is not the "big" issue you think it is...and worry more about the desk swirls

franzy · 19 October 2013, 11:39 PM

The 114060 is as close to the perfect watch. In fact I think it is. Enjoy the watch and the best clasp on the market.

Annan · 19 October 2013, 11:50 PM

No problem with a welded clasp these days that I am aware of. Don't dwell on this one thing. Rather, dwell on and celebrate the thousand things that ARE right and good about this watch.

scranger · 20 October 2013, 12:56 AM

Here's a nice non-welded watch.

tobey fischer · 20 October 2013, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scranger

Here's a nice non-welded watch.

thats it gonna sell my sub to get this perfection

CDNWatchNut · 20 October 2013, 01:02 AM

Like everyone else, I think you may be needlessly obsessing over a non-issue. Enjoy your sub and wear it as intended without worry.

yld2rob · 20 October 2013, 01:11 AM

I love my sub's. Could care less that it has a weld. As long as nothing falls apart.

scranger · 20 October 2013, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobey fischer

thats it gonna sell my sub to get this perfection

Suddenly, the welds don't look so bad

AK797 · 20 October 2013, 03:31 AM

Look thru this forum, hundreds of satisfied and problem free Subc owners. Now look at you. Now look at us. Now look at you. Now become like us.

Rolexitis · 20 October 2013, 05:45 AM

Smh

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Cesium133 · 20 October 2013, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

Look thru this forum, hundreds of satisfied and problem free Subc owners. Now look at you. Now look at us. Now look at you. Now become like us.

:

superdog · 20 October 2013, 06:05 AM

Time to seek out a therapist.

Sixshooter · 20 October 2013, 06:11 AM

If that is such a major issue for you, wouldn't it have been wise to take a look before buying one?

Laszlo · 20 October 2013, 06:18 AM

Wow.

bridgs · 20 October 2013, 06:59 AM

You have a great watch there, so just enjoy the rest of the bracelet and the awesome watch head.

Bangel · 20 October 2013, 07:08 AM

It is what it is.

Some people have expressed views that they thought the old clasp was superior for this very reason. To date, I don't think those concerns have been realised though. I have a sub c and I certainly don't give it a second thought.

Also, if it does fail before you've had it for 2 years, it will still be under warranty.

Andykllhr · 20 October 2013, 07:59 AM

Tobey, I'm on the lookout to trade my 16610 for a 114060 if you want the older bracelet ;)

Sent from my iPhone

SLS · 20 October 2013, 08:22 AM

The third thread with this same topic, all from new members bloodrain, rickgrimes (who were the same) and now tobey_fischer?
Just saying

Scott

LA_LEC · 20 October 2013, 09:38 AM

I see his point. He is not saying that he fears the weld failing and his watch falling off his wrist. He is saying that he expected something else. Granted most would research a multi-thousand dollar purchase more thoroughly prior to handing over the money, but clearly he expected something else and discovered it after the purchase.

As others have suggested, now that you have discovered his about your watch I would be satisfied knowing that the weld doesn't fail that often. If you really want to have a change I would suggest you sell or trade this newer sub for one of the classic discontinued versions with the classic style bracelet and clasp.

Not only will you get more of what you had in mind BUT you will have the added BONUS of getting a watch that will only go up in value as you wear it and enjoy it for years to come...and some people (including myself) would go a step further and say that the classic design is actually more pleasing to the eye than the newer version.

Sixshooter · 20 October 2013, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

The third thread with this same topic, all from new members bloodrain, rickgrimes (who were the same) and now tobey_fischer?
Just saying

Scott

I'm with ya. Seems to be a lot of pointless thread starters popping up recently. Not to mention yesterday's thread by the same guy on the exact same subject. Give it a rest man.

Rolexitis · 20 October 2013, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLS

The third thread with this same topic, all from new members bloodrain, rickgrimes (who were the same) and now tobey_fischer?
Just saying

Scott

My thoughts exactly

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Andad · 20 October 2013, 10:58 AM

Rolex would have subjected this new clasp to countless mechanical tests to confirm the strength and longevity of this bracelet.
If you look at the cross section of the weld you will see that it is bigger than the cross section of the springbar pins and these pins are still the same as has been used on similar Rolex models.
The aesthetics of a weld compared to a non welded bracelets is a personal like or dislike and I understand where you are coming from.

A 1/16" (1.6mm diameter) monel 4130 steel rivet shears at about 370lbs.
Two together as in a springbar is 760lbs.
Probably more than your wrist could take.

Sixshooter · 20 October 2013, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directioneng

Rolex would have subjected this new clasp to countless mechanical tests to confirm the strength and longevity of this bracelet.
If you look at the cross section of the weld you will see that it is bigger than the cross section of the springbar pins and these pins are still the same as has been used on similar Rolex models.
The aesthetics of a weld compared to a non welded bracelets is a personal like or dislike and I understand where you are coming from.

A 1/16" (1.6mm diameter) monel 4130 steel rivet shears at about 370lbs.
Two together as in a springbar is 760lbs.
Probably more than your wrist could take.

I would sure hope something on my watch bracelet let go before my wrist did if it got hung on something!

Cc1966 · 20 October 2013, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sixshooter

I would sure hope something on my watch bracelet let go before my wrist did if it got hung on something!

Probably won't. Had a worker lose a finger because of the nature of his titanium wedding ring. Ouch....

19 October 2013, 11:00 PM	#1
tobey fischer Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: seattle Posts: 10	i need help now i know it is not the kind of forum to discuss such matters and i don't want to bother you guys. i recently bought a submariner 114060 ceramic . i am going to start by saying it was a dream watch for 3 years . an most importantly i am a PERFECTIONIST when it comes to objects and i hate that fact . i was SOO pleased with the sub c the first week but recently , i discovered that the clasp is welded to the bracelet instead of being pinned or screwed and that made me very sad about the sub i just don't find it good anymore because of just that i really hate myself for that i mean i have what i always wanted but because of the simple fact that the clasp is welded to the bracelet i can't seem to enjoy it can you guys help me or is it just the wrong forum ?

19 October 2013, 11:02 PM	#2
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	Very sad that it is welded? Hmmm....perhaps you do need to change to another watch...best not to sweat it, and try to enjoy it! __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

19 October 2013, 11:15 PM	#5
03cobraa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Kelly Location: In the Bluegrass Watch: 116610LN Posts: 550	Do you have a Car, Motorcycle, bike? If you do, Its got welded part too! What do you have against welding?? Most of the time it IS the best way to join metals together. Don't sweat it! The Sub-C is one of the best watches you can get! I know.. I've got one too! __________________ SubC 116610LN, DJ 16014, GMT16750 pepsi Matte, Explorer II 16570 Polar V, Sea Dweller 16600, Sub 14060 More to come! "Too many watches, too little time"!

19 October 2013, 11:18 PM	#7
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,024	There are many parts and pieces in a Rolex that could be done differently - and many could debate done better. How would you react to some of those shortcomings? My suggestion is to realize a weld is not the "big" issue you think it is...and worry more about the desk swirls __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

19 October 2013, 11:50 PM	#9
Annan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Ron Location: Arizona, USA Watch: 116233 Posts: 3,180	No problem with a welded clasp these days that I am aware of. Don't dwell on this one thing. Rather, dwell on and celebrate the thousand things that ARE right and good about this watch. __________________ *so many Rolexes.....so little time*

19 October 2013, 11:06 PM	#3
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	sell it, use your phone to tell time

19 October 2013, 11:11 PM	#4
SC11 Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Watch: AP ☠️ Posts: 6,151	Nothing wrong with a weld ! There was some issues early on but it appears Rolex have addressed it so way worry ! I've seen/heard more issues of screws coming out then failing welds, food for thought. Stop worrying and enjoy life's too short.

19 October 2013, 11:17 PM	#6
tobey fischer Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: seattle Posts: 10	thanks guys amazing how this forum has so many nice people

19 October 2013, 11:39 PM	#8
franzy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: USA Posts: 1,264	The 114060 is as close to the perfect watch. In fact I think it is. Enjoy the watch and the best clasp on the market.

20 October 2013, 12:56 AM	#10
scranger "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Fred Location: Columbia, SC Watch: GMTII, DD, Daytona Posts: 249	Here's a nice non-welded watch. Attached Images

20 October 2013, 01:02 AM	#12
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	Like everyone else, I think you may be needlessly obsessing over a non-issue. Enjoy your sub and wear it as intended without worry.

20 October 2013, 01:11 AM	#13
yld2rob "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Penna Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,658	I love my sub's. Could care less that it has a weld. As long as nothing falls apart. __________________ Rolex Sub-126610LV Rolex Sub- 126613LB Rolex GMT BLRO 126710 Rolex GMT BLNR Rolex Datejust 16220

20 October 2013, 03:31 AM	#15
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Look thru this forum, hundreds of satisfied and problem free Subc owners. Now look at you. Now look at us. Now look at you. Now become like us.

20 October 2013, 05:45 AM	#16
Rolexitis "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Earth Watch: 114060 Posts: 3,203	Smh Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

20 October 2013, 06:05 AM	#18
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	Time to seek out a therapist. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

20 October 2013, 06:11 AM	#19
Sixshooter "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Caleb Location: Lubbock TX. USA Watch: Crude Prices Posts: 1,103	If that is such a major issue for you, wouldn't it have been wise to take a look before buying one? __________________ - VC - AP - Rolex - Omega

20 October 2013, 06:18 AM	#20
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	Wow.

20 October 2013, 06:59 AM	#21
bridgs "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Shane Location: Minnesota Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 1,125	You have a great watch there, so just enjoy the rest of the bracelet and the awesome watch head.

20 October 2013, 07:08 AM	#22
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	It is what it is. Some people have expressed views that they thought the old clasp was superior for this very reason. To date, I don't think those concerns have been realised though. I have a sub c and I certainly don't give it a second thought. Also, if it does fail before you've had it for 2 years, it will still be under warranty.

20 October 2013, 07:59 AM	#23
Andykllhr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: Portsmouth,UK Watch: Sub 116610LN Posts: 147	Tobey, I'm on the lookout to trade my 16610 for a 114060 if you want the older bracelet ;) Sent from my iPhone __________________ Sub 14060 W Series (sold) Sub 16610 M Series (sold) Sub 14060 A series (sold) Sub 114060 (sold) EXP II 216570 (Current)

20 October 2013, 08:22 AM	#24
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The third thread with this same topic, all from new members bloodrain, rickgrimes (who were the same) and now tobey_fischer? Just saying Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

20 October 2013, 09:38 AM	#25
LA_LEC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Explorer Posts: 1,793	I see his point. He is not saying that he fears the weld failing and his watch falling off his wrist. He is saying that he expected something else. Granted most would research a multi-thousand dollar purchase more thoroughly prior to handing over the money, but clearly he expected something else and discovered it after the purchase. As others have suggested, now that you have discovered his about your watch I would be satisfied knowing that the weld doesn't fail that often. If you really want to have a change I would suggest you sell or trade this newer sub for one of the classic discontinued versions with the classic style bracelet and clasp. Not only will you get more of what you had in mind BUT you will have the added BONUS of getting a watch that will only go up in value as you wear it and enjoy it for years to come...and some people (including myself) would go a step further and say that the classic design is actually more pleasing to the eye than the newer version. __________________ 16610 ♛ 16610LV ♛ 214270 MK2 "Life is far too short not to wear a Rolex!"

20 October 2013, 10:58 AM	#28
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,534	Rolex would have subjected this new clasp to countless mechanical tests to confirm the strength and longevity of this bracelet. If you look at the cross section of the weld you will see that it is bigger than the cross section of the springbar pins and these pins are still the same as has been used on similar Rolex models. The aesthetics of a weld compared to a non welded bracelets is a personal like or dislike and I understand where you are coming from. A 1/16" (1.6mm diameter) monel 4130 steel rivet shears at about 370lbs. Two together as in a springbar is 760lbs. Probably more than your wrist could take. __________________ E

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