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argentumle · 12 April 2014, 06:49 PM

For sale:
16610 Submariner date purchased in 2008, m-serial number
Watch is in near-mint condition, no marks or dings, just a few hairlines on the bracelet from careful wear. Crystal is flawless.
Asking price is $5100/3700€ - (wire transfer, insured international express shipping is included, watch is in europe)
The set is all complete with boxes, tags, bezel protector, manuals and papers.
Please don't hesitate to mail me for more pictures, etc.
Thanks

argentumle · 15 April 2014, 12:34 AM

and bump!

argentumle · 18 April 2014, 06:48 AM

up.....

argentumle · 19 April 2014, 11:03 PM

bump

argentumle · 22 April 2014, 09:05 PM

Still for sale, reduced to 4900$/3540€

argentumle · 27 April 2014, 09:13 AM

up

argentumle · 1 May 2014, 09:16 AM

NEW PRICE: 4600 US$/3300 EUROS
Reasonable offers are welcome. Thanks

argentumle · 4 May 2014, 03:02 AM

Sold! Thanks rolexforum & buyer

argentumle · 4 May 2014, 03:11 AM

SOLD, Thanks rolexforum & buyer

Lol-x · 4 May 2014, 10:24 PM

This sale is one where the buyer should exercise extreme caution and contact me before doing anything.

I do now know who the buyer is but do not proceed without speaking to me first.

Lol-x · 4 May 2014, 11:12 PM

Bump - WARNING

See above

Lol-x · 4 May 2014, 11:55 PM

Bump - WARNING

See above

mailman · 5 May 2014, 12:24 AM

Bump

Rockrolex · 5 May 2014, 01:24 AM

Bump.

sleddog · 5 May 2014, 02:33 AM

Bump.

Welshwatchman · 5 May 2014, 04:35 AM

Scammer.

sleddog · 5 May 2014, 06:58 AM

.

Lol-x · 5 May 2014, 08:52 AM

Bump

See above

mailman · 5 May 2014, 11:12 AM

Bump

Lol-x · 5 May 2014, 06:31 PM

Be aware, be very aware.

Old Expat Beast · 5 May 2014, 07:20 PM

Thanks Mods. Now that this has been moved to Watchout, can we ask what's up? Watch or Seller, or both?

Thanks again.

Kingair · 5 May 2014, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Thanks Mods. Now that this has been moved to Watchout, can we ask what's up? Watch or Seller, or both?

Thanks again.

Same question here ?

HAGOne

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Welshwatchman · 5 May 2014, 09:15 PM

We have some suspicions that the seller is not what they purport to be.

Nothing absolute, just reports that this type of advert is too similar to known scams on other sites.

Also, his location is not what the seller states it to be.

Johny · 5 May 2014, 11:46 PM

bump.

socalwatchcollector · 5 May 2014, 11:56 PM

Did you guys stop the sale? It appears from the thread he sold it twice?

Good catch as well!

Tools · 6 May 2014, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalwatchcollector

Did you guys stop the sale? It appears from the thread he sold it twice?

Good catch as well!

That seems to be the scam.. Be careful out there

GermanyMatt · 6 May 2014, 02:16 AM

Hope you guys were able to make contact with the buyer. $5100 for a full pkg M-serial Sub? Yeah that's too good to be true.

nickb732 · 6 May 2014, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanyMatt

Hope you guys were able to make contact with the buyer. $5100 for a full pkg M-serial Sub? Yeah that's too good to be true.

His last price was $4600.

winster · 6 May 2014, 04:15 AM

Before I start my story, I would like to apologize if I am not supposed to post my experience here. I have no posts in this forum, but I have been a long time lurker here. I usually buy and sell or post on WUS under the same ID.

I was scammed by this chap from Germany last year November, while attempting to get a Z series SD from TZ. 3 other gentlemen across the globe met the same fate as me. Am sure there are many more who have no idea what to do. There was Rolex's and Speedmasters involved in the sales.

I have been closely monitoring him on TZ and WUS on a daily basis, and easy time his posts appears I report them to mods. One might argue that I might be wrong in some cases, but thus far I have been spot on based on how I have learnt to spot him. When i doubt I do send an email to the seller and its easy from then on to decide whether the seller is a scammer or not. The scammers return reply always could be traced to the same location based on IP trace. He also claims to be in Netherlands in a village bordering Germany, however the IP trace is quite accurate to indicate his location.

I was a bit surprised he was now trying his luck in the TRF sales forum, especially given that members here pay a fee to post, and the fact the community here is quite mature, and could spot an aberration as such as this. I came across his post by chance while growing for approximate value of a V series which I plan to buy locally in Singapore.

I do not know the location of the seller in this case, and the details of the deal.
Please be vigilant in guarding this forum. A full set M series SUB at sub 4k USD is simply too good to be true, even at where I come from.

This scammer is usually a newbie, i.e he has creates an ID just to post the watch for sale (in this case he has paid 25$). He may usually post a single picture of the watch or more, which depends on how many pictures of the watch he can find online. When contacted he comes across as a trusted individual no doubt. However when probed for references you get none, instead he will mention that his experience is only in local F2F deals and local watch communities or gatherings.
If you ask for more pictures he will come up with reasons such as "A sudden business trip" which is convenient to delay any possible pictures. A good way to know if the sale is a scam or not is to ask the seller to get picture of the watch with a newspaper of the day to with a thumbs up sign next the watch or whatever to prove he has the watch. You guys know how that works.

He will provide a fake ID which probably stolen or from internet belonging that of a middle aged man who seems calm and trust worthy.

I fell for it, so its not difficult for other to get trapped, especially when his prices are way below "even the best deal" around. I have no hope of getting my money back but at least I would do what I can to prevent another scam. Even though I have been tracking him quite avidly, just two weeks ago i spotted a post on TZ selling a Speedy pro. When i replied to the post, a member contacted me saying he has already been scammed.

If any one has any questions or require more details I am happy to provide what info you may need. Especially if there is another post as similar to this.

Old Expat Beast · 6 May 2014, 10:04 AM

Thanks for the info. I don't understand why he made two 'sold' posts, though. A mistake?

12 April 2014, 06:49 PM	#1
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	FS: 16610 Rolex Submariner date -WARNING- For sale: 16610 Submariner date purchased in 2008, m-serial number Watch is in near-mint condition, no marks or dings, just a few hairlines on the bracelet from careful wear. Crystal is flawless. Asking price is $5100/3700€ - (wire transfer, insured international express shipping is included, watch is in europe) The set is all complete with boxes, tags, bezel protector, manuals and papers. Please don't hesitate to mail me for more pictures, etc. Thanks Attached Images Last edited by Tools; 5 May 2014 at 01:31 AM..

4 May 2014, 03:11 AM	#9
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	SOLD! Thanks SOLD, Thanks rolexforum & buyer

4 May 2014, 10:24 PM	#10
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	This sale is one where the buyer should exercise extreme caution and contact me before doing anything. I do now know who the buyer is but do not proceed without speaking to me first. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

4 May 2014, 11:12 PM	#11
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	Bump - WARNING See above __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

4 May 2014, 11:55 PM	#12
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	Bump - WARNING See above __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

15 April 2014, 12:34 AM	#2
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	and bump!

18 April 2014, 06:48 AM	#3
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	up.....

19 April 2014, 11:03 PM	#4
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	bump

22 April 2014, 09:05 PM	#5
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	Still for sale, reduced to 4900$/3540€

27 April 2014, 09:13 AM	#6
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	up

1 May 2014, 09:16 AM	#7
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	NEW PRICE: 4600 US$/3300 EUROS Reasonable offers are welcome. Thanks

4 May 2014, 03:02 AM	#8
argentumle Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Europe Posts: 10	Sold! Thanks rolexforum & buyer

5 May 2014, 12:24 AM	#13
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Bump __________________ JJ

5 May 2014, 01:24 AM	#14
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,966	Bump. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

5 May 2014, 02:33 AM	#15
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,931	Bump. __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

5 May 2014, 04:35 AM	#16
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	Scammer.

5 May 2014, 06:58 AM	#17
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,931	. __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

5 May 2014, 08:52 AM	#18
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	Bump See above __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

5 May 2014, 11:12 AM	#19
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Bump __________________ JJ

5 May 2014, 06:31 PM	#20
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,587	Be aware, be very aware. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

5 May 2014, 07:20 PM	#21
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,820	Thanks Mods. Now that this has been moved to Watchout, can we ask what's up? Watch or Seller, or both? Thanks again.

5 May 2014, 09:15 PM	#23
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	We have some suspicions that the seller is not what they purport to be. Nothing absolute, just reports that this type of advert is too similar to known scams on other sites. Also, his location is not what the seller states it to be.

5 May 2014, 11:46 PM	#24
Johny "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: john Location: Scotland Watch: sub 16610Lv Posts: 13,523	bump. __________________ "AFTER DARK" BAR AND NIGHT CLUB GM.

5 May 2014, 11:56 PM	#25
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,620	Did you guys stop the sale? It appears from the thread he sold it twice? Good catch as well!

6 May 2014, 02:16 AM	#27
GermanyMatt "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Matt Location: Northern VA Watch: 126711, 126610 Posts: 1,803	Hope you guys were able to make contact with the buyer. $5100 for a full pkg M-serial Sub? Yeah that's too good to be true.

6 May 2014, 04:15 AM	#29
winster "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Singapore Posts: 9	Before I start my story, I would like to apologize if I am not supposed to post my experience here. I have no posts in this forum, but I have been a long time lurker here. I usually buy and sell or post on WUS under the same ID. I was scammed by this chap from Germany last year November, while attempting to get a Z series SD from TZ. 3 other gentlemen across the globe met the same fate as me. Am sure there are many more who have no idea what to do. There was Rolex's and Speedmasters involved in the sales. I have been closely monitoring him on TZ and WUS on a daily basis, and easy time his posts appears I report them to mods. One might argue that I might be wrong in some cases, but thus far I have been spot on based on how I have learnt to spot him. When i doubt I do send an email to the seller and its easy from then on to decide whether the seller is a scammer or not. The scammers return reply always could be traced to the same location based on IP trace. He also claims to be in Netherlands in a village bordering Germany, however the IP trace is quite accurate to indicate his location. I was a bit surprised he was now trying his luck in the TRF sales forum, especially given that members here pay a fee to post, and the fact the community here is quite mature, and could spot an aberration as such as this. I came across his post by chance while growing for approximate value of a V series which I plan to buy locally in Singapore. I do not know the location of the seller in this case, and the details of the deal. Please be vigilant in guarding this forum. A full set M series SUB at sub 4k USD is simply too good to be true, even at where I come from. This scammer is usually a newbie, i.e he has creates an ID just to post the watch for sale (in this case he has paid 25$). He may usually post a single picture of the watch or more, which depends on how many pictures of the watch he can find online. When contacted he comes across as a trusted individual no doubt. However when probed for references you get none, instead he will mention that his experience is only in local F2F deals and local watch communities or gatherings. If you ask for more pictures he will come up with reasons such as "A sudden business trip" which is convenient to delay any possible pictures. A good way to know if the sale is a scam or not is to ask the seller to get picture of the watch with a newspaper of the day to with a thumbs up sign next the watch or whatever to prove he has the watch. You guys know how that works. He will provide a fake ID which probably stolen or from internet belonging that of a middle aged man who seems calm and trust worthy. I fell for it, so its not difficult for other to get trapped, especially when his prices are way below "even the best deal" around. I have no hope of getting my money back but at least I would do what I can to prevent another scam. Even though I have been tracking him quite avidly, just two weeks ago i spotted a post on TZ selling a Speedy pro. When i replied to the post, a member contacted me saying he has already been scammed. If any one has any questions or require more details I am happy to provide what info you may need. Especially if there is another post as similar to this.

6 May 2014, 10:04 AM	#30
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,820	Thanks for the info. I don't understand why he made two 'sold' posts, though. A mistake?

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