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JohnBaker3 · 22 April 2015, 04:42 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Role...item1c51ab2bc3

FYI:

Well used 5513 Milsub on eBay.....

omitohud · 22 April 2015, 04:52 AM

R all parts authentic? The crystal looks weird.

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Wilddyan · 22 April 2015, 04:53 AM

I am in no way an expert, but shouldn't it have some kind of military markings on the back?

JohnBaker3 · 22 April 2015, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

I am in no way an expert, but shouldn't it have some kind of military markings on the back?

For this model, the serial number should be engraved on the inside of the case back as well as between the lugs....and it is....

omitohud · 22 April 2015, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilddyan

I am in no way an expert, but shouldn't it have some kind of military markings on the back?

Its not uncommon for milsub to b civilized for public sale.

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linesiders · 22 April 2015, 05:15 AM

We'll know pretty quick. If it is gone in 24 hours it was legit, if it is still for auction in 24 hours it is not.

Vincent65 · 22 April 2015, 06:17 AM

Second hand looks dodgy to me. That's about 8 grand right there. Bit of dial damage, too.

dpa94114 · 22 April 2015, 07:54 AM

Interesting that they are showing a shipping price to the US... that would make me suspect about their knowledge of Rolex.

highcotton · 22 April 2015, 11:06 AM

Caseback is stamped first quarter of 72. I was born January of 72. Don't know if I will be able to resist.

jedly1 · 22 April 2015, 11:25 AM

appears to be legitish , serial is from a recognised batch , but obviously issue numbers have been removed from case back demolishing its value.

as mentioned the seconds fingers is fake, and that plus lume on hands brings into question all the hand and i would want it in hand to form an opinion regarding the other two hands.

dial and bezel damaged as pointed out.

Jiggo · 22 April 2015, 03:35 PM

a great friend always tell me...
"NEVER trust the BAY"
will stick to that!

Haywood_Milton · 22 April 2015, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

appears to be legitish , serial is from a recognised batch , but obviously issue numbers have been removed from case back demolishing its value.

as mentioned the seconds fingers is fake, and that plus lume on hands brings into question all the hand and i would want it in hand to form an opinion regarding the other two hands.

dial and bezel damaged as pointed out.

Yes, what Jed says.

Might well end up finding its way to the person who is most desperate for parts, damaged or not.

I have a few from this batch, one with a number very, very close to this one.

Not the most impressive listing for a watch of this nature.

Haywood Milton, UK

mistral · 23 April 2015, 03:41 AM

before placing a bid and he refused an inspection. I live 30km from Richmond Hill Ont Canada where this item is located. Is inspection refusal normal when selling an expensive item? His ebay ad says 'free pick up'.

andromeda160 · 23 April 2015, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistral

before placing a bid and he refused an inspection. I live 30km from Richmond Hill Ont Canada where this item is located. Is inspection refusal normal when selling an expensive item? His ebay ad says 'free pick up'.

any reputable auction house or seller I know has encouraged people to look at an item prior to purchase. Buyer satisfaction should be his #1 priority with this watch. or he could end up with a pissed off buyer who backs out at the end due to undisclosed problems. Plus on something this expensive, it'd be comforting to know the seller physically has the item and isn't just selling this for some third party and taking a cut.

Evo6 · 23 April 2015, 04:33 AM

Where could you source a proper mulsub seconds hand?

southtexas · 23 April 2015, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo6

Where could you source a proper mulsub seconds hand?

Greekbum here on the forum probably has 7 or 8 of them (I'm only half-kidding, as he has just about everything else;) )

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jedly1 · 23 April 2015, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evo6

Where could you source a proper mulsub seconds hand?

You won't..there one guy on my Milsub hands wait list who has been waiting/looking for 7 years

J!m · 23 April 2015, 07:11 AM

Looks pretty good to me. Seconds hand is probaby the Omega Seamaster 300 one; or possibly a speedmaster one. They are similar, but not *quite* right...

themaninblack · 23 April 2015, 03:22 PM

You have to be damn careful with these things. I have handled a fake milsub which was a real 5513 re-worked by a very handy watchmaker and restorer. He did it for a project and it was very neat indeed. The guy was not selling it but was pretty proud of his handywork and I could see why. He had handled real milsubs. As pointed out above you really want to be buying from someone known and reputable and be able to see proof of the provenance. These are big bucks investments.

2ar2c1 · 24 April 2015, 05:00 AM

as Jed says, not a full spec milsub.
I sent the seller a question this morning about shipping to the USA. Richmond Hill is not far from a US border, so I asked if he/she would be willing to travel into the US in order to ship to a US address.

Just heard back: the answer is yes.

leica-ur · 24 April 2015, 05:08 AM

Hello,
I am seller of this watch. The professional guys know these are two types: with number on the case back and without number which has engrave inside of the case back. You can find it in Rolex book too.

I welcome inspection and verification of the description at the time of pick up for final winner. In addition, I am ok with payment at the pick-up time.

Regards

Haywood_Milton · 24 April 2015, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leica-ur

The professional guys know these are two types: with number on the case back and without number which has engrave inside of the case back. You can find it in Rolex book too.

Thankyou for joining us. Would you be able to explain a little more clearly what you are saying about the numbers on the outside of the case back?

May I also ask for the name of the book to which you are referring ?

Thankyou,

Haywood Milton, UK

mdw3 · 24 April 2015, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedly1

You won't..there one guy on my Milsub hands wait list who has been waiting/looking for 7 years

Well, you know, I did buy a full set of original hands just last year, and another one the year before that. But, you will need to be more lucky than good, as the saying goes.

Michael

JohnAndrew · 24 April 2015, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpa94114

Interesting that they are showing a shipping price to the US... that would make me suspect about their knowledge of Rolex.

This isn't that unusual. Sure there is risk. But there are a number of sellers outside the U.S. who sell and ship Rolex's to US customers.

AS1 · 24 April 2015, 12:51 PM

Shipping cost is one thing, for me the bigger issue is the listing states 100% original but the seconds hand does not appear to be.

jt- · 24 April 2015, 11:59 PM

Yes I'm curious to hear the response to this ^

J!m · 25 April 2015, 01:11 AM

With what little I know I am confortable saying the seconds hand is not Rolex. Probably Omega and Probably for the Speedmaster. Very similar but not exactly the same.

scooba · 25 April 2015, 06:35 AM

$40k now !

Krypt0n1te · 27 April 2015, 10:47 PM

Now $50k...4 days left.

parkaboy · 1 May 2015, 02:19 AM

EDIT: Didn't see the seller had posted on here

22 April 2015, 05:15 AM	#6
linesiders 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,503	We'll know pretty quick. If it is gone in 24 hours it was legit, if it is still for auction in 24 hours it is not. __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

22 April 2015, 06:17 AM	#7
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Second hand looks dodgy to me. That's about 8 grand right there. Bit of dial damage, too. __________________

23 April 2015, 03:41 AM	#13
mistral "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: GMT-5 YKZ Posts: 285	Requested a prior inspection of this watch... before placing a bid and he refused an inspection. I live 30km from Richmond Hill Ont Canada where this item is located. Is inspection refusal normal when selling an expensive item? His ebay ad says 'free pick up'.

24 April 2015, 05:08 AM	#21
leica-ur "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Richmond Hill Posts: 1	Hello, I am seller of this watch. The professional guys know these are two types: with number on the case back and without number which has engrave inside of the case back. You can find it in Rolex book too. I welcome inspection and verification of the description at the time of pick up for final winner. In addition, I am ok with payment at the pick-up time. Regards Last edited by sleddog; 7 March 2016 at 05:41 PM.. Reason: Removed email address.

27 April 2015, 10:47 PM	#29
Krypt0n1te "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: CapeTown S Africa Watch: Rolex ~ Omega Posts: 128	Now $50k...4 days left. __________________ Rolex Sea-Dweller 4000 116600 Rolex Explorer 214270 Omega Sea-Master Pro 300M

22 April 2015, 04:42 AM	#1
JohnBaker3 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: John Baker III Location: Spring,Texas Watch: 1971 Red Sub Posts: 2,222	FYI: 5513 MilSub on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Role...item1c51ab2bc3 FYI: Well used 5513 Milsub on eBay..... Attached Images __________________ As I've grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible, but pissing off everyone is a piece of cake.

22 April 2015, 04:52 AM	#2
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	R all parts authentic? The crystal looks weird. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 April 2015, 04:53 AM	#3
Wilddyan "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: London Posts: 149	I am in no way an expert, but shouldn't it have some kind of military markings on the back?

22 April 2015, 07:54 AM	#8
dpa94114 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: ex SF, back east Posts: 531	Interesting that they are showing a shipping price to the US... that would make me suspect about their knowledge of Rolex.

22 April 2015, 11:06 AM	#9
highcotton "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: alabama Watch: 1972 Red Sub Posts: 208	Caseback is stamped first quarter of 72. I was born January of 72. Don't know if I will be able to resist.

22 April 2015, 11:25 AM	#10
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,929	appears to be legitish , serial is from a recognised batch , but obviously issue numbers have been removed from case back demolishing its value. as mentioned the seconds fingers is fake, and that plus lume on hands brings into question all the hand and i would want it in hand to form an opinion regarding the other two hands. dial and bezel damaged as pointed out.

22 April 2015, 03:35 PM	#11
Jiggo "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Real Name: "A" Location: Bangkok Watch: 5512/5513 Posts: 176	a great friend always tell me... "NEVER trust the BAY" will stick to that!

23 April 2015, 04:33 AM	#15
Evo6 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: SoCal Watch: BLNR55131675BB58 Posts: 829	Where could you source a proper mulsub seconds hand?

23 April 2015, 07:11 AM	#18
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Looks pretty good to me. Seconds hand is probaby the Omega Seamaster 300 one; or possibly a speedmaster one. They are similar, but not quite right...

23 April 2015, 03:22 PM	#19
themaninblack "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 1,058	You have to be damn careful with these things. I have handled a fake milsub which was a real 5513 re-worked by a very handy watchmaker and restorer. He did it for a project and it was very neat indeed. The guy was not selling it but was pretty proud of his handywork and I could see why. He had handled real milsubs. As pointed out above you really want to be buying from someone known and reputable and be able to see proof of the provenance. These are big bucks investments.

24 April 2015, 05:00 AM	#20
2ar2c1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in a house Posts: 537	as Jed says, not a full spec milsub. I sent the seller a question this morning about shipping to the USA. Richmond Hill is not far from a US border, so I asked if he/she would be willing to travel into the US in order to ship to a US address. Just heard back: the answer is yes.

24 April 2015, 12:51 PM	#25
AS1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: NYC / Milan Watch: 6263 Posts: 3,938	Shipping cost is one thing, for me the bigger issue is the listing states 100% original but the seconds hand does not appear to be.

24 April 2015, 11:59 PM	#26
jt- "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: John Location: Toronto Posts: 171	Yes I'm curious to hear the response to this ^

25 April 2015, 01:11 AM	#27
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	With what little I know I am confortable saying the seconds hand is not Rolex. Probably Omega and Probably for the Speedmaster. Very similar but not exactly the same.

25 April 2015, 06:35 AM	#28
scooba 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Europe Watch: Anything Posts: 2,586	$40k now !

1 May 2015, 02:19 AM	#30
parkaboy "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Somewhere Posts: 3	EDIT: Didn't see the seller had posted on here Last edited by parkaboy; 1 May 2015 at 02:26 AM.. Reason: Didn't see the seller had posted on here

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