R.car Member-Potential Fraud

[edsalem]

Hi Members:

I purchased a GMT II Master Ceramic dial from TRF pledge member R.car and wired the money to his account per his instruction. Before sending the money, I requested his references and contacted them. They had good things to say and I transferred the money. He keeps promising to ship the watch but has not done so. He keeps giving me excuses that the money has not hit his bank account but I provided confirmation from my bank that it did. Has anyone dealt with him? He has a current listing for a Rolex Daytona.

[andromeda160]

I'd be filing with the bank to reverse the payment ASAP. Excuses are never a good sign

[Danny83]

I saw the ad 6k for a bnib gmt ?

[andromeda160]

Just looked at his account, he's been here less than a month. Probably gave you contact information to an account he created as a fake reference, and took your money. I find it weird he wanted people to direct messages to his quite weird and fake seeming email instead of corresponding through TRF As well. I wouldn't wait at all, I'd be doing whatever I could to find out who he is, and if you can cancel the payment

[TimeToGo]

Sorry to hear this!

I am sure his references are not legit because they are not from this forum..

[nick c]

Wow I hope it will work out sorry to hear that

[asleep]

I'd PM a Moderator to alert TRF...

perhaps to temporarily hide other for sale posts, depending on SOP here.


I don't think I could do a deal with any short-time member... including me.

[Knappo 1307]

It looks like you sent the wire, yesterday late afternoon. It can take awhile for funds to show up in someones acct. Pending more info, I may tend to side with the seller here. Since you are a newer member with really no feedback. He may be concerned he's going to get scammed. I get a little nervous when a non-pledge member, with no info on the profile page contacts me about a potential transaction.

[edsalem]

Thank you all. I sent a message to the moderator but have not received a response. He is also selling a Daytona on the forum. He has participated in 68 posts. It's unfortunate that there is no humanity left in this world that people would do this. Can some of you alert others please since I am very new to this forum.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by Danny83

I saw the ad 6k for a bnib gmt ?

Bingo.
Bells.
Sirens.
Horns.

Sorry to hear OP may have been had.
Hopefully not and works out.

[edsalem]

Hi Knappo 1307, I sent him confirmation that the wire went through to his account. It's been 3 days. I sent the wire on the 16th

[edsalem]

Wire cleared and sent on 12/16/15.

[Etschell]

for those posting it was BNIB it was not and was not advertised that way. as a G serial $6,000 for a private non trusted seller is not a huge discount that should set off alarm bells. then again monday morning quarterbacks always show up in potential scam threads.

as taken from his post:

"i have a new rolex ss gmt master II for sale.

The watch comes complete as purchased from the AD (papers, inner and outer boxes, hand tags, books, warranty card)

it comes with some protective stickers and bezel protector."

[edsalem]

How do I become a pledge member? He (Watson) just texted me that I messed him up on the forum and he will refund my money. What a joke! I want to be able to directly contact a moderator. I don't want others to get scammed. He has another posting on TRF for a Rolex Daytona.

[Lordofrolex]

Originally Posted by edsalem

How do I become a pledge member? He (Watson) just texted me that I messed him up on the forum and he will refund my money. What a joke! I want to be able to directly contact a moderator. I don't want others to get scammed. He has another posting on TRF for a Rolex Daytona.

So you're getting your money back? Thats good to hear. Did he ever say why he didnt send the watch?

Also you get PM privileges after i think a week of being on the forums and a specific amount of posts.

You can also become a pledge member and pay $25 donation to the site and get the pledge status. Search "Pledge member" on the search bar on the forums and you'll see the thread on how to become one.

[asleep]

Originally Posted by edsalem

He (Watson) just texted me that I messed him up on the forum and he will refund my money. What a joke!

Why wouldn't he just ship the watch?

Pretty sure anything "messed up" on the forum is easily changed back if he just follows through with the deal and an explanation.

Originally Posted by edsalem

How do I become a pledge member?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=390035

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by edsalem

How do I become a pledge member? He (Watson) just texted me that I messed him up on the forum and he will refund my money. What a joke! I want to be able to directly contact a moderator. I don't want others to get scammed. He has another posting on TRF for a Rolex Daytona.

The only way he could refund your money is if he has already received your money.

If he has already received your money then why has he not already shipped the watch?

This is not adding up.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by Etschell

for those posting it was BNIB it was not and was not advertised that way. as a G serial $6,000 for a private non trusted seller is not a huge discount that should set off alarm bells. then again monday morning quarterbacks always show up in potential scam threads.

as taken from his post:

"i have a new rolex ss gmt master II for sale.

The watch comes complete as purchased from the AD (papers, inner and outer boxes, hand tags, books, warranty card)

it comes with some protective stickers and bezel protector."

All great info.
It doesn't change the fact that as presented by OP, which I am certain seller has had chance to chime in and hasn't, this is still an attempted scam.

[R.car]

i haven't received any money and would refund him fully if the funds hit my account, he sent me a confirmation email of the wire transfer which read it would reflect within two to three days

i should have sent out the watch if i have seen the funds


you could confirm i already updated watch sold and pending funds, he is insisting i ship out the watch when it hasn't hit my account yet

[asleep]

Originally Posted by R.car

i haven't received any money and would refund him fully if the funds hit my account, he sent me a confirmation email of the wire transfer which read it would reflect within two to three days

i should have sent out the watch if i have seen the funds

you could confirm i already updated watch sold and pending funds, he is insisting i ship out the watch when it hasn't hit my account yet

I've not seen a U.S. bank that holds a wire transfer for "two or three days" -- either sending or receiving.

Wire transfers are typically credited within an hour if sent before 4:00PM here(CDT).

Buyer should contact seller's bank by phone and confirm, imo.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by asleep

I've not seen a U.S. bank that holds a wire transfer for "two or three days" -- either sending or receiving.

Wire transfers are typically credited within an hour if sent before 4:00PM here(CDT).

Buyer should contact seller's bank by phone and confirm, imo.

Bank wires can be held that long. Depending on banks and where it is going. Obviously, I have no idea in this case.

[sleddog]

Watching this one closely!

A wire transfer typically will not take longer than 48 hours at max. Meaning the funds should have cleared by this afternoon if sent on the 16th (as a latest scenario)....and that's two days, not three as stated by the OP.

Both parties need to be more transparent, and have this resolved by Monday's end.

[edsalem]

I sent him confirmation that he received the funds. He's a liar. He told me that he was going to send the watch out today no later than 10:00 AM PST. I will figure out how to cut and paste all his emails and texts, and my proof that he received the money and will post it on this website. He is a scam artist. Beware!!

[edsalem]

My bank (b of a) confirmed the money is out of my account and he received it. When I first made the transfer, I sent him an email showing the transfer was made and pending. Thereafter, he kept telling me he did not receive the money so I sent him another email showing that the wire was processed and not pending. My bank told me that they say it takes 2 to 3 days for a wire transfer to go through but in reality it happens once the transfer is made. Once made, you can't reverse the transfer.

[Alford78]

Eyes wide shut. Never had a wire take more than a few minutes myself but I've only wired money a dozen times or so...... Interesting never the less.

[edsalem]

Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

So you're getting your money back? Thats good to hear. Did he ever say why he didnt send the watch?

Also you get PM privileges after i think a week of being on the forums and a specific amount of posts.

You can also become a pledge member and pay $25 donation to the site and get the pledge status. Search "Pledge member" on the search bar on the forums and you'll see the thread on how to become one.

No, he has not refunded my money. He told me on Thursday that he will send it out on Thursday, and he didn't. He promised that he would send it to me on Friday no later than 10:00 PST and he did not. He has my money and has not shipped the watch.

[edsalem]

Originally Posted by sleddog

Watching this one closely!

A wire transfer typically will not take longer than 48 hours at max. Meaning the funds should have cleared by this afternoon if sent on the 16th (as a latest scenario)....and that's two days, not three as stated by the OP.

Both parties need to be more transparent, and have this resolved by Monday's end.

I have transferred the money and sent him proof of the transfer by two different emails from my bank, B of A. These are not emails that I created but came from directly from Bank of America. He has my money and the watch.

[Fjweld]

Originally Posted by alford78

eyes wide shut. Never had a wire take more than a few minutes myself but i've only wired money a dozen times or so...... Interesting never the less.

x2

[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

I hate to say this, and this is for everyone that is a relative newbie here,
Never ever wire money to anyone that has a low post count and is a fairly new member, and regardless of how many so called references they have.
Always use paypal, and never send money "gifted"

[Alford78]

Originally Posted by anderl712000

I hate to say this, and this is for everyone that is a relative newbie here,
Never ever wire money to anyone that has a low post count and is a fairly new member, and regardless of how many so called references they have.
Always use paypal, and never send money "gifted"

plus infinity.

The only time you wire is for big money watches $20k+ and then it should be with a company or well known trust worthy dealer/collector in which money is far less important to them than their reputation. PayPal is the insurance which CANT be forgotten about with most watch transactions. It will cover the loss even when the postal carrier won't. It's the best and safest way to buy anything really. Doesn't cost too awfully much when only spending a few thousand. It's a little more than postal carriers' insurance options which don't pay or try not to pay the majority of the time.