Making a Murderer on Netflix...

[jfmiii]

anyone watch this? always difficult to watch something like this given that you know it is undoubtably made with some sort of bias, but Christ, this was disturbing. fantastically done and heartbreaking all the same.

[Dan Pierce]

Finished episode 3, like a real life Fargo. Bias? Can't judge that until I finish the series.
dP

[TK-710]

I think it called "Making a Murderer." I was just reading about it and wondering if it was any good.

[Kingair]

Just ordered Netflix

I don't watch that much TV but it was my daughter who . . . .

[Lordofrolex]

I hear it's very good but jinx on HBO is better. But still heard great things.

[GB-man]

Funny you should say so my friend just recommended it to me. I'll check it out

[hunterp27]

Just finished watching the entire thing last night with my wife. All I can say is that I am glad I don't live in Manitiwoc County, WI. That appears to be one hell of a crooked law enforcement place. Let's assume for the sake of argument that there is a complete bias on the part of the film makers. What happened here is completely the inverse of what our legal system purports itself to be. In other words, on two occasions (3 if u include Dassey) the accused was guilty and had to prove innocence instead of the other way around. The DA and LI were allowed to try their case in the media before the actual trials in an effort to taint the potential jurors before an actual jury was ever selected. No rational judge would have allowed such a complete shitshow to take place if he were actually trying to give these people a fair trial. There are so many injustices spread across many years and trials that even if you assume a bias, it was clearly outweighed by the preponderance of the evidence.

Several of these legal clowns got was coming to them like that Walrus looking baffoon Ken Kratz. Got himself all tangled up in a sexting scandle showing his complete lack of a moral compass. The two convicted people deserve a fair trial in a place outside of the area where this all happened with untainted jurors.......at a minimum.

There is no doubt in my mind that evidence was planted and that the whole thing was staged. I mean who commits a murder and then hides the vehicle and the body on your own property when you know everyone in the state is looking for the body and the car? Zero motive and zero DNA tying the crime to him. If what they said had actually happened, there would have been DNA all over the trailer and garage. There's no way these two simpletons would have been able to clean up the mess to that degree. It's simply didn't happen. Wisconsin has some explaining to do.

[GB-man]

Slow down some of us are only a few episodes in

[Jocke]

I have seen 3 episodes and I believe the Avery's is not the sharpest knifes in the box. But there are many questions that needs a answer.

[Knappo 1307]

I'm on episode 9, very disturbing. My wife and I have watched it for the last few nights, very hard for me to sleep after. Seems weird, but just get emotionally spent after watching.

[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by Jocke

I have seen 3 episodes and I believe the Avery's is not the sharpest knifes in the box. But there are many questions that needs a answer.

Watching episode 4 now, it's all screwed up now lol

[andromeda160]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I'm on episode 9, very disturbing. My wife and I have watched it for the last few nights, very hard for me to sleep after. Seems weird, but just get emotionally spent after watching.

I know how you feel, it really gets you worked up, a lot of injustice.

[GhostWriter]

I watched it. Horrific abuse by law enforcement.

There is a petition to free Steven Avery currently online. As of this morning it had over 260,000 signatures. It looks like his only avenue left is Presidential pardon. This man needs justice.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by hunterp27

Just finished watching the entire thing last night with my wife. All I can say is that I am glad I don't live in Manitiwoc County, WI. That appears to be one hell of a crooked law enforcement place. Let's assume for the sake of argument that there is a complete bias on the part of the film makers. What happened here is completely the inverse of what our legal system purports itself to be. In other words, on two occasions (3 if u include Dassey) the accused was guilty and had to prove innocence instead of the other way around. The DA and LI were allowed to try their case in the media before the actual trials in an effort to taint the potential jurors before an actual jury was ever selected. No rational judge would have allowed such a complete shitshow to take place if he were actually trying to give these people a fair trial. There are so many injustices spread across many years and trials that even if you assume a bias, it was clearly outweighed by the preponderance of the evidence.

Several of these legal clowns got was coming to them like that Walrus looking baffoon Ken Kratz. Got himself all tangled up in a sexting scandle showing his complete lack of a moral compass. The two convicted people deserve a fair trial in a place outside of the area where this all happened with untainted jurors.......at a minimum.

There is no doubt in my mind that evidence was planted and that the whole thing was staged. I mean who commits a murder and then hides the vehicle and the body on your own property when you know everyone in the state is looking for the body and the car? Zero motive and zero DNA tying the crime to him. If what they said had actually happened, there would have been DNA all over the trailer and garage. There's no way these two simpletons would have been able to clean up the mess to that degree. It's simply didn't happen. Wisconsin has some explaining to do.

I'm tending to agree with you, from what information we were provided. Also for what had occurred, the timeline doesn't add up. Lots of unanswered questions, but definitely a few very corrupt people involved....

[jfmiii]

What happened to Dassey is unconscionable. Kid never had a chance and he is innocent, no question. It really puts things in perspective. No matter what petty worry most of us stress over, 99% of those posting on this forum were born with winning lotto tickets compared to this poor family and people like them.

[HL65]

We watched it in 2 days and was one of best documentaries we have even seen. It certainly will strike a chord with most!

[Callummcs]

I finished this last night.

What a fantastically made documentary! I obviously won't ruin it for anyone that hasn't finished/started it yet but all I can say is watch it and watch it all.

I would highly recommend not looking anything up about the case and watch it with no prior knowledge.

[Frogman4me]

Originally Posted by HL65

We watched it in 2 days and was one of best documentaries we have even seen. It certainly will strike a chord with most!

I did the same thing! Sad story :(

[Old Expat Beast]

Netflix just arrived in HK this week via iTunes/Apple TV. I look forward to checking this out during my free trial month!

[CRM114]

Wow people, the list of key pieces of evidence that jurors heard but are left out and/or glossed-over in this so-called "documentary" is out there. The series only shows what it's creators wanted you to see, so if you're into armchair juroring at least avail yourself of all the other freely-and-easily gotten information about ALL the evidence instead of being led by the nose right where the producers of a TV show emotionally want you to go.

Originally Posted by GhostWriter

I watched it. Horrific abuse by law enforcement.

There is a petition to free Steven Avery currently online. As of this morning it had over 260,000 signatures. It looks like his only avenue left is Presidential pardon. This man needs justice.

It's not an avenue at all, since the President doesn't have the power to pardon anyone except those convicted of a Federal crime, which Avery was not. This is what I mean. Those coming up with and signing a petition for Obama to do something about it don't even know and (worse) can't even be bothered to check who the right person to petition is. That's just being intellectually lazy and jumping due to emotions, but this is, after all, the result those who produce propaganda seek.

[GhostWriter]

I've read that evidence. It still doesn't make up for the total lack of DNA evidence and so much of the abuse by law enforcement.

[Lordofrolex]

Me and my girlfriend are starting it today. Ill let you know what i think.

[CRM114]

Originally Posted by GhostWriter

I've read that evidence. It still doesn't make up for the total lack of DNA evidence and so much of the abuse by law enforcement.

A hatchet job evidenced by the gross omission of facts even while masquerading as a self-professed "documentary" is still a hatchet job, no matter how slickly-produced.

And what say you re the Presidential pardon? How much weight is someone supposed to give to the legal opinions of those who don't know or bother to find out that basic legal fact, whether it be 1 person's or his/her's + 260,000 just like him?

[hunterp27]

Originally Posted by CRM114

A hatchet job evidenced by the gross omission of facts even while masquerading as a self-professed "documentary" is still a hatchet job, no matter how slickly-produced.

And what say you re the Presidential pardon? How much weight is someone supposed to give to the legal opinions of those who don't know or bother to find out that basic legal fact, whether it be 1 person's or his/her's + 260,000 just like him?

I've done a significant amount of additional information seeking and the preponderance of the evidence still leaves me a long long long ways from being able to convict these two hillbillys. Agreed, the documentary is biased which is what I said from the jump but that's not what I would be concerned with if I lived up there. Not in the least......I'd be concerned with the blatant improper investigatory techniques that were used in plain sight.

[Rootbeer]

A really interesting show. For me i think the question that it raised most importantly was where/whether the role of the state is to find the truth or to create and propose a narrative that convicts a specific person, irrespective of where the evidence leads. How anyone can present Dassey's confession as truthful with a straight face is beyond me.

Interestingly the first time DNA was used to convict in the
UK (google Colin Pitchfork) it also exculpated a local boy with learning difficulties that had already confessed to the crime despite being innocent.

[matthayes3741]

Not that it matters but I lived in Manitowoc, Wi for 2 years after I got out of the navy (2007-2009). I never had any negative dealings with the police or sheriff but that doesn't mean much. Since I work in nuclear power which has an aged work force, and Point Beach Nuclear plant is maybe 5 miles from Avery salvage yard (remote part of the country) a lot of people I worked with knew the family members.
Having watched the show and casual discussions with friends that knew Steve and his family I have doubts... Some of the evidence left out of the documentary raises some questions for me but biased or not, some of the video evidence (comments made by police while searching residence) is pure evidence of what our judicial system is NOT supposed to be.

[hunterp27]

Originally Posted by matthayes3741

Not that it matters but I lived in Manitowoc, Wi for 2 years after I got out of the navy (2007-2009). I never had any negative dealings with the police or sheriff but that doesn't mean much. Since I work in nuclear power which has an aged work force, and Point Beach Nuclear plant is maybe 5 miles from Avery salvage yard (remote part of the country) a lot of people I worked with knew the family members.
Having watched the show and casual discussions with friends that knew Steve and his family I have doubts... Some of the evidence left out of the documentary raises some questions for me but biased or not, some of the video evidence (comments made by police while searching residence) is pure evidence of what our judicial system is NOT supposed to be.

X's a hundred.....

[Old Expat Beast]

Today's news on this...don't read the link, possible spoiler, if you don't want to know the latest.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...tervening.html

[CRM114]

hunterp27
Hey there, chill it down a touch......

I've done a significant amount of additional information seeking and the preponderance of the evidence still leaves me a long long long ways from being able to convict these two hillbillys. Agreed, the documentary is biased which is what I said from the jump but that's not what I would be concerned with if I lived up there. Not in the least......I'd be concerned with the blatant improper investigatory techniques that were used in plain sight.

Oh I'm very chill. Amused even. Now everyone isn't merely an armchair juror but qualified as the judge, appellate court judges, and supreme court judge who made decisions as to the supposed "blatant improper investigatory techniques". If only you had been there to school them or they had your insight, which must be quite incredible to have come to this conclusion with such certainty...

There is no doubt in my mind that evidence was planted and that the whole thing was staged.

Now that seems like a pretty inflammatory accusation, easy to throw out there and toss around though it may be. Decidedly un-chilled.

But really, your biggest concern if you left legal-eagle Texas and lived up there shouldn't be some Netflix-based fear of it's legal system, it would be swapping the cowboy boots for some Pacs and the hat for one that covers the ears, especially this time of year. You know, the kind of gear even those Wisconsin "hillbillies" have the sense to wear.

[Relyt]

They wouldn't make a series of it without an agenda......

I'm not claiming I have the answers, but I knew going into it that the producer made this to slant his opinion.....

What is sad about this series is that it's just going to make people want to be the armchair expert on the case when they are trying to make an 800+ hour trial EXCITING for the "masses."


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