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The moose · 7 February 2016, 07:51 AM

So after picking up my newly acquired 1601 from a renovation by one of our local AD:s, I thought it would be cool to see the difference between vintage rose gold and modern everose gold, the one with the white dial is vintage : )....47 years between these two..:

Seems like the vintage one is more red and copperish
...

And1dre · 7 February 2016, 08:07 AM

Both look amazing. Thanks for sharing

Rags · 7 February 2016, 09:16 AM

They look the same to me, both beautiful.

Lol-x · 7 February 2016, 09:27 AM

Very interesting

I've never seen a RG 1601 before, so congrats on that.
The modern RG seems to be a deeper darker copper tone which is nice, but I actually think I prefer the colour of the vintage RG.

Both a great

fskywalker · 7 February 2016, 09:42 AM

Both look very similar, other than the date function and the SEL on the newer one. Should be hard to pick one over the other to wear!

anothernewphone · 7 February 2016, 10:30 AM

Can I ask why you went with Oyster bracelets?

Gnomon · 7 February 2016, 10:37 AM

Very hard to tell without direct sunlight or tungsten only light sources, camera colour chart calibration for that particular light source, white balance set properly -- all implying use of a 'real' camera shooting RAW rather than a cellphone. This still assumes we're all running the same model good quality LCD panel which has also been calibrated.

Not trying to be a pedantic party pooper... but colour reproduction is a minefield. All we get online most of the time are 'general impressions'. Which is why we sometimes see photos online of a white gold watch which looks more yellow than it might in real life, or a yellow gold watch looking more white than it really is, or a rose gold watch looking more yellow than reddish.

My point is that making comparisons between versions of rose gold by looking at pictures in this forum without having control over the chain of dependencies I alluded to above is going to be 'problematic'.

As for the OP's watches, I love them!

sickened1 · 7 February 2016, 10:38 AM

They both look to be the same shade to me (the newer one seems to have a bit more swirls and marks on the bracelet). Maybe my screen isn't calibrated correctly.

kilyung · 7 February 2016, 11:14 AM

Is the older model also 18k or 14k?

crowncollection · 7 February 2016, 03:39 PM

Look very similar in colour IMHO so much for the fade everyone talks about

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The moose · 7 February 2016, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anothernewphone

Can I ask why you went with Oyster bracelets?

I wanted a more masculine look and the president bracelet was a little bit to cluttered in RG IMO +that I have president bracelets on both of my 1803's

The moose · 7 February 2016, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilyung

Is the older model also 18k or 14k?

18k both of them

The moose · 7 February 2016, 05:06 PM

Here are more pics in LED light, will take some daylight shots later also:

It seems like the indexes on the dial and the hands have been fading towards yellow gold over the years..they have lost a lot of there "RG-ness"...I don't think they originally were in YG...

The moose · 7 February 2016, 06:54 PM

Daylight:

dilip · 7 February 2016, 08:44 PM

Loving the Swedish date-wheel :)

amaninspired · 7 February 2016, 08:49 PM

Each is just stunning!

The moose · 7 February 2016, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dilip

Loving the Swedish date-wheel :)

Tackar!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by amaninspired

Each is just stunning!

Thanks!!

Rachaphon · 7 February 2016, 09:07 PM

Both look Almost exactly the same. Beautiful pieces!

Racerdj · 7 February 2016, 09:20 PM

Both look great!

travisb · 7 February 2016, 09:23 PM

The newer has a slightly deeper hue. If I were choosing one, it would be that one but you get the best of both generations.

Gnomon · 7 February 2016, 09:54 PM

OP: I see what you mean about the indices. Interesting!

Back in the day, Rolex did fewer things in-house. Quite possible that dials and hands came from different supplier(s) than cases and bracelets (pretty sure Rolex had already purchased Gay Freres by time your 1803 was produced tho, so bracelet in-house).

For sure some better-informed forum members will know more about when dials were taken in-house.

In other words, it's not too far fetched to imagine that your 1803 dial's indices' red gold came from a different foundry than the case/bracelet.

The moose · 8 February 2016, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnomon

OP: I see what you mean about the indices. Interesting!

Back in the day, Rolex did fewer things in-house. Quite possible that dials and hands came from different supplier(s) than cases and bracelets (pretty sure Rolex had already purchased Gay Freres by time your 1803 was produced tho, so bracelet in-house).

For sure some better-informed forum members will know more about when dials were taken in-house.

In other words, it's not too far fetched to imagine that your 1803 dial's indices' red gold came from a different foundry than the case/bracelet.

Very interesting!! Thanks for the input. Very cool if so is the case...!

badass09 · 8 February 2016, 02:56 PM

The older rose gold looks much better than the newer one.. but it's an awesome sight.. i've never seen a rose gold 1601.. guess they are rarer than rose gold 1803.. i've seen a mint rose gold 1803 with the original rg president bracelet before locally..

The moose · 8 February 2016, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badass09

The older rose gold looks much better than the newer one.. but it's an awesome sight.. i've never seen a rose gold 1601.. guess they are rarer than rose gold 1803.. i've seen a mint rose gold 1803 with the original rg president bracelet before locally..

They are very rare from what I have experienced...it's such a cool watch to have in your collection...

Eric Chan · 8 February 2016, 06:10 PM

Very nice. They both look amazing.

7 February 2016, 07:51 AM	#1
The moose Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: USA Posts: 968	Pics of vintage rose gold vs everose gold So after picking up my newly acquired 1601 from a renovation by one of our local AD:s, I thought it would be cool to see the difference between vintage rose gold and modern everose gold, the one with the white dial is vintage : )....47 years between these two..: Seems like the vintage one is more red and copperish ...

7 February 2016, 09:16 AM	#3
Rags 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chuck Location: SW Florida Watch: 16233,16610,214270 Posts: 11,196	They look the same to me, both beautiful. __________________ 16233 Y Serial Datejust 16610 Z Serial Submariner 214270 Explorer *114300 Oyster Perpetual* *76200 Tudor Date+Day*

7 February 2016, 09:27 AM	#4
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,593	Very interesting I've never seen a RG 1601 before, so congrats on that. The modern RG seems to be a deeper darker copper tone which is nice, but I actually think I prefer the colour of the vintage RG. Both a great __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

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fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,183	Both look very similar, other than the date function and the SEL on the newer one. Should be hard to pick one over the other to wear! __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

7 February 2016, 10:37 AM	#7
Gnomon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hong Kong Watch: 214270 Posts: 256	Very hard to tell without direct sunlight or tungsten only light sources, camera colour chart calibration for that particular light source, white balance set properly -- all implying use of a 'real' camera shooting RAW rather than a cellphone. This still assumes we're all running the same model good quality LCD panel which has also been calibrated. Not trying to be a pedantic party pooper... but colour reproduction is a minefield. All we get online most of the time are 'general impressions'. Which is why we sometimes see photos online of a white gold watch which looks more yellow than it might in real life, or a yellow gold watch looking more white than it really is, or a rose gold watch looking more yellow than reddish. My point is that making comparisons between versions of rose gold by looking at pictures in this forum without having control over the chain of dependencies I alluded to above is going to be 'problematic'. As for the OP's watches, I love them! __________________ “Wit, you know, is the unexpected copulation of ideas…” (Samuel Johnson)

7 February 2016, 08:07 AM	#2
And1dre "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Silicon Valley Watch: Rolex Posts: 4,182	Both look amazing. Thanks for sharing

7 February 2016, 10:30 AM	#6
anothernewphone Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Bill Location: Plymouth Meeting Watch: 116520 Posts: 3,209	Can I ask why you went with Oyster bracelets?

7 February 2016, 10:38 AM	#8
sickened1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: SoCal Watch: ugiveiswatchuget Posts: 9,054	They both look to be the same shade to me (the newer one seems to have a bit more swirls and marks on the bracelet). Maybe my screen isn't calibrated correctly.

7 February 2016, 11:14 AM	#9
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Is the older model also 18k or 14k?

7 February 2016, 03:39 PM	#10
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Look very similar in colour IMHO so much for the fade everyone talks about Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

7 February 2016, 05:06 PM	#13
The moose Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: USA Posts: 968	Here are more pics in LED light, will take some daylight shots later also: It seems like the indexes on the dial and the hands have been fading towards yellow gold over the years..they have lost a lot of there "RG-ness"...I don't think they originally were in YG...

7 February 2016, 06:54 PM	#14
The moose Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: USA Posts: 968	Daylight:

7 February 2016, 08:44 PM	#15
dilip "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 77	Loving the Swedish date-wheel :)

7 February 2016, 08:49 PM	#16
amaninspired "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 383	Each is just stunning!

7 February 2016, 09:07 PM	#18
Rachaphon "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Ben Location: Bangkok, Thailand Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 306	Both look Almost exactly the same. Beautiful pieces!

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Racerdj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Indianapolis Watch: Patek-Philippe Posts: 16,832	Both look great! __________________ Rolex and Patek Philippe

7 February 2016, 09:23 PM	#20
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,500	The newer has a slightly deeper hue. If I were choosing one, it would be that one but you get the best of both generations.

7 February 2016, 09:54 PM	#21
Gnomon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Hong Kong Watch: 214270 Posts: 256	OP: I see what you mean about the indices. Interesting! Back in the day, Rolex did fewer things in-house. Quite possible that dials and hands came from different supplier(s) than cases and bracelets (pretty sure Rolex had already purchased Gay Freres by time your 1803 was produced tho, so bracelet in-house). For sure some better-informed forum members will know more about when dials were taken in-house. In other words, it's not too far fetched to imagine that your 1803 dial's indices' red gold came from a different foundry than the case/bracelet. __________________ “Wit, you know, is the unexpected copulation of ideas…” (Samuel Johnson)

8 February 2016, 02:56 PM	#23
badass09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: prabhu Location: singapore Watch: ROLEX 116613LBD Posts: 713	The older rose gold looks much better than the newer one.. but it's an awesome sight.. i've never seen a rose gold 1601.. guess they are rarer than rose gold 1803.. i've seen a mint rose gold 1803 with the original rg president bracelet before locally..

8 February 2016, 06:10 PM	#25
Eric Chan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Eric Chan Location: Vancouver, BC CAN Watch: Day-Date 118238 Posts: 8,798	Very nice. They both look amazing.

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