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herts9 · 12 May 2016, 11:14 PM

the overall eye appeal on that is tremendous! scratch? well, you'll probably do worse in the first year you have it. then, when a bunch accumulate, service it.

Minimalist · 12 May 2016, 11:20 PM

Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape?

With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.

Widows Son · 12 May 2016, 11:20 PM

Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

Lord · 12 May 2016, 11:29 PM

I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17!

Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact.

Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch.

Good luck with your decision!

iliketime · 13 May 2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape?

With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.
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thanks it does! and fwiw i think its worth keeping the way it is, makes it easier to wear. down the line you can always service it and have it replaced

rmlovett1 · 13 May 2016, 12:04 AM

If you bought this watch to wear and enjoy, maybe have a little rarity to it..... Then wear it!! It looks great! 99.9999 of the world would never see or notice the things that are being mentioned here. You REALLY have to look for the scratch on the crystal. If it bothers you that much, replace it. If you plan on flipping it, or are looking for absolute perfection from a 16 year old watch, or these hyper-critical things bother you that much, I'd say move on.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Widows Son

Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

You make a very valid point and I do agree with what you're saying. My main concern was having someone with more experience tell me about the case and whether it's been over polished or not. The crystal, if replaced, solves that problem. Of the 123 odd 14060 on chrono, about 5 are 'SWISS' only dials, so a bit more rarer, with none of those in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Lord

I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17!

Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact.

Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch.

Good luck with your decision!

Thanks for the input my friend. I will take it back tomorrow and we'll see what they say/offer, if anything.

And yes, the watch is utterly gorgeous. I love the simplicity of the dial, especially the 'swiss' makes it even more minimalist lol. It is so comfortable too, I put it on and felt like I wasn't wearing anything, the watch that is, not my clothes

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Richris1

If you bought this watch to wear and enjoy, maybe have a little rarity to it..... Then wear it!! It looks great! 99.9999 of the world would never see or notice the things that are being mentioned here. You REALLY have to look for the scratch on the crystal. If it bothers you that much, replace it. If you plan on flipping it, or are looking for absolute perfection from a 16 year old watch, or these hyper-critical things bother you that much, I'd say move on.

I did buy the watch to wear and enjoy just as you say. However I don't buy so that 99.9999% of the world would notice it. I buy it for my pleasure, what do I care if people can or can not see the imperfections? I don't care if it bothers them, they didn't pay for it, I did. So what can't I let it bother me? I don't expect absolute perfection, because then I'd just buy a new one. Oh and it's 17 years old lol.

mtgjr · 13 May 2016, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cop414

My mistake, based that assumption on the above but it appears that I've misread things,,,

Yeah, I think that was in reference to Talerman, not the seller.

cop414 · 13 May 2016, 06:31 AM

Well after all that,,, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cop414

Well after all that,,, CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Lol erm thanks. I haven't still decided 100% if I'm keeping it. Speaking to my brother about the watch and told me to stop being so anal and touchy about little things. He has a point.

To be honest, it is a gorgeous watch and all these defects are part of its history and character....

cop414 · 13 May 2016, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Lol erm thanks. I haven't still decided 100% if I'm keeping it. Speaking to my brother about the watch and told me to stop being so anal and touchy about little things. He has a point.

To be honest, it is a gorgeous watch and all these defects are part of its history and character....

Agree, we WIS can over analyze things to death. Decide what you're going to do, if you keep it don't look back and wear the heck out of that bad boy! Mine says hi,,,

rmlovett1 · 13 May 2016, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

I did buy the watch to wear and enjoy just as you say. However I don't buy so that 99.9999% of the world would notice it. I buy it for my pleasure, what do I care if people can or can not see the imperfections? I don't care if it bothers them, they didn't pay for it, I did. So what can't I let it bother me? I don't expect absolute perfection, because then I'd just buy a new one. Oh and it's 17 years old lol.

exactly my point...it looks great!! I you like it, and it's what you wanted, enjoy the heck out of it!

my 1994, with many flaws.. Says hello

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:21 AM

Thank you Tim and Richard. Both your 2 Liners look amazing. Love the blue nato, love just how simple and easy it is to change the look of the watch.

Sublovin · 13 May 2016, 08:30 AM

Everyone can say what they want, and compare it to what it would look like if it were perfect, but the only way anyone can give you real advice as to whether or not it's worth it and you should keep it is if we know what you paid.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 09:42 AM

Well the price has a little to do with it. As I've said it was higher end of the scale. But not many 'swiss' dials are about so for that reason I think the price is alright. If it were a Swiss t<25 or Swiss made dial then it would be a different matter and I'd understand your point.

Old Expat Beast · 13 May 2016, 09:45 AM

I wouldn't pay any extra for a Swiss-only dial.

DCheeta · 13 May 2016, 12:37 PM

Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character.

Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

SA1 · 13 May 2016, 12:59 PM

Ok, so you knew the watch wasn't perfect. You asked for critiques. If you are happy with it, depends on the price and whether you plan to just keep it.

Ckci · 13 May 2016, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character.

Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

Gorgeous watch Dave, as is the OP's! I say keep that beauty and enjoy it! I'd have no regrets!

sea-dweller · 13 May 2016, 01:12 PM

Beautiful! My 14060 was also purchased BNIB in Hong Kong.

Cimballi · 13 May 2016, 02:51 PM

The 14060 is an awesome watch!
Now, based on the price you paid vs. market prices, you may be able to find the exact same watch in better condition.
Then you have to decide whether you want to ask the seller for a discount and get the watch fixed or return it and go shop somewhere else.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:12 PM

Well after much deliberation, I decided to return the watch. There were some good comments made by members, so I'd like to thank everyone who replied.

I don't regret it since I have decided to save the money and put it towards an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak instead, which I have listed over for a long time so I'd rather work towards that instead. Maybe there will be another 14060 in my future.

Thanks to everyone.

stil · 13 May 2016, 08:17 PM

Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice.

Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stil

Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice.

Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

Thanks buddy. Appreciate the reply. Well I have a Hulk, DJ II fluted blue stick dial, tudor pelagos v1, panerai and now I want an AP. It's gorgeous, why not?

stil · 13 May 2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Thanks buddy. Appreciate the reply. Well I have a Hulk, DJ II fluted blue stick dial, tudor pelagos v1, panerai and now I want an AP. It's gorgeous, why not?

Ahhhh...I missed that part. Not that AP isn't nice or anything. Clearly I'm biased.

cop414 · 13 May 2016, 09:06 PM

Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted!

Daytona88 · 13 May 2016, 09:11 PM

Pretty watch. Love the no date 2 liners

stil · 13 May 2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cop414

Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted!

Agreed! I actually prefer earlier dials...and not just because I have one. I have a T < 25 dial and love it.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 09:57 PM

I also like the earlier dials too. I was actually more into those at one time because of how the dial gets a nice patina over time.

Time will tell where I go from here ;)

12 May 2016, 11:29 PM	#34
Lord "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Ben Location: Bath, UK Watch: the watch watchers Posts: 158	I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17! Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact. Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch. Good luck with your decision! __________________ Submariner 116610LN, Constellation 168.004, Seamaster f300 'cone', Omega 30T2, Omega bumper 342, Precista PRS-5, Precista PRS-18Q, Lemania 239A, Casio GW-5000, CWC W10, + more

13 May 2016, 06:31 AM	#40
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,256	Well after all that,,, CONGRATULATIONS!!! __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

13 May 2016, 01:12 PM	#51
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Beautiful! My 14060 was also purchased BNIB in Hong Kong. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

13 May 2016, 02:51 PM	#52
Cimballi "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: N. California Watch: Love them all Posts: 156	The 14060 is an awesome watch! Now, based on the price you paid vs. market prices, you may be able to find the exact same watch in better condition. Then you have to decide whether you want to ask the seller for a discount and get the watch fixed or return it and go shop somewhere else. __________________ Submariner, Datejust, Aqua Terra, Speedmaster, Chronomat, Pathfinder, Nettuno, vintage Girard Perregaud, vintage Rogers, vintage Election, etc...

13 May 2016, 09:06 PM	#57
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,256	Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted! __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

12 May 2016, 11:14 PM	#31
herts9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Brian Location: Kentucky Watch: 116610LN Posts: 2,034	the overall eye appeal on that is tremendous! scratch? well, you'll probably do worse in the first year you have it. then, when a bunch accumulate, service it.

12 May 2016, 11:20 PM	#32
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape? With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.

12 May 2016, 11:20 PM	#33
Widows Son "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hudson Ohio Posts: 3,564	Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

13 May 2016, 12:04 AM	#36
rmlovett1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Richard Location: GA Watch: YTBD Posts: 23,509	If you bought this watch to wear and enjoy, maybe have a little rarity to it..... Then wear it!! It looks great! 99.9999 of the world would never see or notice the things that are being mentioned here. You REALLY have to look for the scratch on the crystal. If it bothers you that much, replace it. If you plan on flipping it, or are looking for absolute perfection from a 16 year old watch, or these hyper-critical things bother you that much, I'd say move on.

13 May 2016, 08:21 AM	#44
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Thank you Tim and Richard. Both your 2 Liners look amazing. Love the blue nato, love just how simple and easy it is to change the look of the watch.

13 May 2016, 08:30 AM	#45
Sublovin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Watch: Lots Posts: 4,595	Everyone can say what they want, and compare it to what it would look like if it were perfect, but the only way anyone can give you real advice as to whether or not it's worth it and you should keep it is if we know what you paid.

13 May 2016, 09:42 AM	#46
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Well the price has a little to do with it. As I've said it was higher end of the scale. But not many 'swiss' dials are about so for that reason I think the price is alright. If it were a Swiss t<25 or Swiss made dial then it would be a different matter and I'd understand your point.

13 May 2016, 09:45 AM	#47
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I wouldn't pay any extra for a Swiss-only dial.

13 May 2016, 12:37 PM	#48
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character. Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

13 May 2016, 12:59 PM	#49
SA1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Miami Posts: 287	Ok, so you knew the watch wasn't perfect. You asked for critiques. If you are happy with it, depends on the price and whether you plan to just keep it.

13 May 2016, 08:12 PM	#53
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Well after much deliberation, I decided to return the watch. There were some good comments made by members, so I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I don't regret it since I have decided to save the money and put it towards an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak instead, which I have listed over for a long time so I'd rather work towards that instead. Maybe there will be another 14060 in my future. Thanks to everyone.

13 May 2016, 08:17 PM	#54
stil Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: not stil Location: USA Watch: Rolex n Omega Posts: 1,327	Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice. Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

13 May 2016, 09:11 PM	#58
Daytona88 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Watch: 5712 Posts: 2,621	Pretty watch. Love the no date 2 liners

13 May 2016, 09:57 PM	#60
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	I also like the earlier dials too. I was actually more into those at one time because of how the dial gets a nice patina over time. Time will tell where I go from here ;)

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