Why does it seem that Audmars Piguet are more expensive than Rolex?

[Billythekid]

Where will be panerai 10 years from now i wonder

[eal15]

Originally Posted by Hollister

The prices are higher.



You could do a little research, maybe.

"The prices are higher". That made me burst out laughing.


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[starbrown]

Owning 2 Rolexes and one AP 15400, the Rolexes are excellent watches, but the AP is at a higher level of finishing, especially the amazing bracelet.

[7sins]

While prices are certainly higher, AP does tend to offer a much more substantial discount than Rolex.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Slippy Chips

You're not kidding about Greubel and Foresy. I touched one (not tried on) a long time ago that was $750k. Gorgious but goodness...

At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

[Hollister]

Originally Posted by eal15

"The prices are higher". That made me burst out laughing.


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You're welcome. That was the intention.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by AK797

At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

Ive only seen them at cellini waldorf in NYC. I didn't even ask to try one on, it just didn't feel right did buy a 15400 though.

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by 7sins

While prices are certainly higher, AP does tend to offer a much more substantial discount than Rolex.

I don't know about that. 20% is pretty much the on the top end of the scale of discounts for most AP models. Other than some of their SS models, Rolex seems to have about the same level of discount. Have you seen otherwise?

[jon_jon]

Originally Posted by AK797

At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

That photo looks like the window display from the GF AD in London They also are one of the largest AP ADs in the UK IIRC The owner gets his hand on some some really special AP and GF pieces!

[ggencer]

Because Rolex is playing in Europe League but AP is playing in Champions League :)

[AK797]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Ive only seen them at cellini waldorf in NYC. I didn't even ask to try one on, it just didn't feel right did buy a 15400 though.

Originally Posted by jon_jon

That photo looks like the window display from the GF AD in London They also are one of the largest AP ADs in the UK IIRC The owner gets his hand on some some really special AP and GF pieces!

It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...

[Slider817]

Originally Posted by jon_jon

I feel AP doesn't always compete in the same market as Patek unless you are just comparing it to the Patek Nautilus series. I don't think RM really competes with Patek as their watches are very different from Patek watches. Only thing is the price ranges may overlap, but I feel Patek competes more with VC and ALS and these 3 brands are better known for their dress watches, rather than their sports watches. In this regard, Rolex probably competes more head to head with Omega with their sports watches.

AP has quite a few models in their current lineup that directly compete in the dress watch category with Vacheron, Patek and ALS. Models like the Jules Audemars and Millenary, certainly AP is best know for their sports lineup In the Royal oak, but AP goes head to head with the best of them in the dress category, particularly in the field of high complications.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Stay out of the Patek store. God forbid you enter the Richard Mille or Greubel Forsey store

OP. Did you see the difference of finishing between Rolex and AP? I had both, for me Rolex is a good middle end watch brand, AP is a high end brand, you can't compare them, just look at a Rolex movement and an AP movement, 2 different worlds...

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by AK797

It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...

Nooooooooooooooo!!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by AK797

It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...

WHATTTT??? Even the french??? What an abomination, they should be ashamed having such commercial practices, we need to let people know and put a ban on that place, anyone else ok, just not the french

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Daycruiser

One advantage of the Rolex is its international recognition and it's quick turnover on the grey market. Once I have reached my collection goal of 6 Rolexes, I will probably start trading in for an AP and a Lange.

Another advantage with Rolex is that you are instantly targeted by 95% of the world's criminals to bash your head and steal your watch should you walk in a dark street, much lesser chance of that happening with an AP if it's not a gold model, another great side of international brand recognition Rolex has

Originally Posted by Patton250

I used to be all about Rolex. Then I screwed up and bought a 15400. Last week I bought a ROO 44mm SS. Now I'm in big trouble because next is a Patek. I hate this hobby.

Well yeah, you are pretty much screwed if just after getting the ROO you're thinking Patek

Originally Posted by AwesomePico

Relax. Take a joke


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I think he is joking as well...

[Snow-Dweller]

Originally Posted by Daycruiser

In the Horological hierarchy

AP are more like a Bentley, more prestigious and more exclusive

PP are the Rolls Royce of watches
Lange are the Aston Martins
Richard Mille are the Bugatti Veyron

I'll go along with most of this, but I do not think of Rolex as a BMW. A Rolex is a tank!

Originally Posted by robbonds

rolex is good to start with...eventually ap, along, patek and then RM

I'm done with rolex

the only thing i lust after now is an RM and a minute repeater

Horses for courses.

I was into Rolex for decades. Then I bought two APs (and almost bought a Patek). Had them for a year before coming home to Rolex and going PM. Couldn't be happier.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Slider817

AP has quite a few models in their current lineup that directly compete in the dress watch category with Vacheron, Patek and ALS. Models like the Jules Audemars and Millenary, certainly AP is best know for their sports lineup In the Royal oak, but AP goes head to head with the best of them in the dress category, particularly in the field of high complications.

I was looking at some of their JAs and some of their simple dress pieces were very nice. I'll put some pics up.

Originally Posted by lapince

WHATTTT??? Even the french??? What an abomination, they should be ashamed having such commercial practices, we need to let people know and put a ban on that place, anyone else ok, just not the french

Just kidding Arnaud, we love you guys really.

[capote]

The question is why Rolex is so expensive. Back when the Royal Oak was released I believe it was like thirteen times more expensive than the Submariner, look at the price difference now.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by capote

The question is why Rolex is so expensive. Back when the Royal Oak was released I believe it was like thirteen times more expensive than the Submariner, look at the price difference now.

When was that? The early 70's?

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I used to be all about Rolex. Then I screwed up and bought a 15400. Last week I bought a ROO 44mm SS. Now I'm in big trouble because next is a Patek. I hate this hobby.

variety is good... Heard JLC was just as good as Patek

[capote]

Originally Posted by Patton250

When was that? The early 70's?

Yes, 1972

[csquared317]

Originally Posted by KarlS

variety is good... Heard JLC was just as good as Patek

As a movement making yes, their watches do not have the same level of finishing though, unless you look at their very high end. But the price reflects this too.

[Mainewatchman]

Originally Posted by Daycruiser

In the Horological hierarchy

I feel that Rolex are like a BMW, sub = 3 series, Daytona = 5 series, PM= 7 series. Of course you can get the DSSD as your X5

AP are more like a Bentley, more prestigious and more exclusive

PP are the Rolls Royce of watches
Lange are the Aston Martins
Richard Mille are the Bugatti Veyron

Spot on....

I have said this in a previous post but used Mercedes instead of BMW and some people thought that was accurate!

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by singe89

Why is Rolex more expensive than tag? Same reasons apply to Rolex vs AP.


I always wonder why people say that go from Rolex to AP then to Patek and finally RM. At first I thought about going down this path but AP really has two levels of watches. Their entry level RO and ROOs and then their perpetual calendars, tourbillons, concepts, grand comps, etc. I've tried to get a Patek but I like sport watches so Patek does nothing for me and while I love RM I would rather have a schumi lap timer or ROO tourbillon chrono over an RM. Both movements are made by APRP and AP has a way stronger history and will be in business and independent much longer.

[watchlover135]

This is a very subjective argument. Rolex are super reliable and built like tanks personally when spending 25k on a precious metal Rolex I think some would want the attention


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[riods007]

Originally Posted by singe89

Why is Rolex more expensive than tag? Same reasons apply to Rolex vs AP.


I always wonder why people say that go from Rolex to AP then to Patek and finally RM. At first I thought about going down this path but AP really has two levels of watches. Their entry level RO and ROOs and then their perpetual calendars, tourbillons, concepts, grand comps, etc. I've tried to get a Patek but I like sport watches so Patek does nothing for me and while I love RM I would rather have a schumi lap timer or ROO tourbillon chrono over an RM. Both movements are made by APRP and AP has a way stronger history and will be in business and independent much longer.

The PP Nautilus is a beautiful sports watch like the 15400.

[eal15]

Absolutely is! And VC's are growing on me too!


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[singe89]

Originally Posted by riods007

The PP Nautilus is a beautiful sports watch like the 15400.

I agree it is a beautiful dressy sports watch but it is not a step up from the RO. The comment was more on people saying they "move up" from AP to Patrk. If considering the entire RO vs nautilus lines the RO of MUCH more complex. AP is killing it with the addition of the perpetual calendar, skeleton, tourbillions, grande comps, etc. Patek has the 5990 chrono/travel time, an annual calendar....

AP also has the ROO line that is more sporty than anything Patek has. They compare much better to RM with their higher end complications and both movements are made by APRP anyway.

I really hope Patek does somethings outside the box for the 40th anniversary of the nautilus. A 42mm version, a skeleton, perpetual calendar, etc. I love Patek as a brand but I want a sports watch from them that I'll love wearing. At this point I would rather save for a complicated AP.

I also prefer Patek over AP in the dress watch market but I have no need for a dress watch.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by singe89

I agree it is a beautiful dressy sports watch but it is not a step up from the RO. The comment was more on people saying they "move up" from AP to Patrk. If considering the entire RO vs nautilus lines the RO of MUCH more complex. AP is killing it with the addition of the perpetual calendar, skeleton, tourbillions, grande comps, etc. Patek has the 5990 chrono/travel time, an annual calendar....

AP also has the ROO line that is more sporty than anything Patek has. They compare much better to RM with their higher end complications and both movements are made by APRP anyway.

I really hope Patek does somethings outside the box for the 40th anniversary of the nautilus. A 42mm version, a skeleton, perpetual calendar, etc. I love Patek as a brand but I want a sports watch from them that I'll love wearing. At this point I would rather save for a complicated AP.

I also prefer Patek over AP in the dress watch market but I have no need for a dress watch.

Since there is no thanks option of which your post is worthy of I will just say.....

Thanks!!!!!!!