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Maltie · 2 June 2016, 09:16 PM

What would be your choice ?

this is the PAM231

Maltie · 2 June 2016, 09:16 PM

The pam197

Cru Jones · 2 June 2016, 09:20 PM

197's movement is nice, but 231's clean lines do more for me.

jay_kay · 2 June 2016, 09:21 PM

231 due to the simplicity.

nick c · 2 June 2016, 09:46 PM

231 for me

mfer · 2 June 2016, 10:11 PM

Well I'll say depends on price. What are the details?

Maltie · 2 June 2016, 10:35 PM

Regardless of price, say you would get it as a gift, which one would please you more

mfer · 2 June 2016, 10:47 PM

I'd have to say 231 just on looks and thinness. If you want gold, look at 289 also.

Maltie · 2 June 2016, 10:55 PM

PAM289 is Luminor, I'm looking at Radiomir. Too bad I can't find the correct info to compare the thickness of both models.

As far as I could find info on the net the 197 should be 15.2 mm and the 231 13.5 mm thick, but I don't know if that info is correct. If this is correct the 231 is the same thickness as the 643.

dmb359 · 2 June 2016, 11:22 PM

PAM231 for me, based on the looks.

RollyFan98012 · 2 June 2016, 11:43 PM

231 for me

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mfer · 3 June 2016, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maltie

PAM289 is Luminor, I'm looking at Radiomir. Too bad I can't find the correct info to compare the thickness of both models.

As far as I could find info on the net the 197 should be 15.2 mm and the 231 13.5 mm thick, but I don't know if that info is correct. If this is correct the 231 is the same thickness as the 643.

You are correct on all points. 232/210/643 all almost identical thickness. I've owned them all, including the 190 (steel version of 197). What is your wrist size?

evlkoala · 3 June 2016, 04:30 AM

Pam 231

Maltie · 3 June 2016, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

You are correct on all points. 232/210/643 all almost identical thickness. I've owned them all, including the 190 (steel version of 197). What is your wrist size?

My wrist size is 170mm. I actually own a PAM190 and also a PAM643. The PAM190 sits a bit higher on my wrist because the bottom of the watch is more rounded compared to the PAM643 where the bottom is like flat. Both wear very comfortable on my wrist.

I think I made up my mind already and will go for the PAM231, like they say simplicity is the ultimate complication. And I found a great one at an unbelievable good price.

Minimalist · 3 June 2016, 08:54 AM

231 for me too, the simplicity and beauty of that dial/watch is just stunning.

mfer · 3 June 2016, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maltie

My wrist size is 170mm. I actually own a PAM190 and also a PAM643. The PAM190 sits a bit higher on my wrist because the bottom of the watch is more rounded compared to the PAM643 where the bottom is like flat. Both wear very comfortable on my wrist.

I think I made up my mind already and will go for the PAM231, like they say simplicity is the ultimate complication. And I found a great one at an unbelievable good price.

Sounds great. Good to see another Radiomir fan here. Those 3 will be stunning. I've thought about adding a 231 for some time now, but it'll have to wait.

Can't wait to see some pictures of that watch on your wrist.

sctp39 · 3 June 2016, 07:59 PM

197 for me. Hob nails, pr indicator, moving seconds.

donut · 2 July 2016, 12:25 AM

197 for me..love the JLC movement

ocwatching · 2 July 2016, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maltie

My wrist size is 170mm. I actually own a PAM190 and also a PAM643. The PAM190 sits a bit higher on my wrist because the bottom of the watch is more rounded compared to the PAM643 where the bottom is like flat. Both wear very comfortable on my wrist.

I think I made up my mind already and will go for the PAM231, like they say simplicity is the ultimate complication. And I found a great one at an unbelievable good price.

congrats!
I am a Rad fan as well and have kept the 190 as my last panerai piece

GMTMasterII44 · 2 July 2016, 06:58 AM

Got to go with the 231 (personally)

Lordofrolex · 2 July 2016, 07:06 AM

197 for me.

I need a second hand.

Watch This · 2 July 2016, 07:11 AM

231

Frendrick · 2 July 2016, 11:02 AM

231 for me

jsg · 2 July 2016, 10:32 PM

231 gets my vote.

Ruud Van Driver · 2 July 2016, 11:19 PM

197. I prefer to have a seconds hand but the 231 does look 'cleaner'.

Soleless Shoes · 3 July 2016, 09:21 AM

197

rolexnub · 3 July 2016, 05:08 PM

Although 197 has a seconds feature, I don't like its dial. I prefer the cleaner look of 231's dial.

2 June 2016, 09:16 PM	#1
Maltie "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Belgium Posts: 403	PAM 231 or PAM 197, what is your choice What would be your choice ? this is the PAM231 Attached Images

2 June 2016, 09:16 PM	#2
Maltie "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Belgium Posts: 403	This is the other one The pam197 Attached Images

2 June 2016, 09:21 PM	#4
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	231 due to the simplicity. __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

2 June 2016, 10:11 PM	#6
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Well I'll say depends on price. What are the details? __________________ member#3242

2 June 2016, 10:47 PM	#8
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	I'd have to say 231 just on looks and thinness. If you want gold, look at 289 also. __________________ member#3242

2 June 2016, 09:20 PM	#3
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,297	197's movement is nice, but 231's clean lines do more for me.

2 June 2016, 09:46 PM	#5
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	231 for me

2 June 2016, 10:35 PM	#7
Maltie "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Belgium Posts: 403	Regardless of price, say you would get it as a gift, which one would please you more

2 June 2016, 10:55 PM	#9
Maltie "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Belgium Posts: 403	PAM289 is Luminor, I'm looking at Radiomir. Too bad I can't find the correct info to compare the thickness of both models. As far as I could find info on the net the 197 should be 15.2 mm and the 231 13.5 mm thick, but I don't know if that info is correct. If this is correct the 231 is the same thickness as the 643.

2 June 2016, 11:22 PM	#10
dmb359 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Darren Location: Minneapolis Posts: 650	PAM231 for me, based on the looks.

2 June 2016, 11:43 PM	#11
RollyFan98012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: US Watch: DSSD,PAM Posts: 573	231 for me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 June 2016, 04:30 AM	#13
evlkoala "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Sub Posts: 862	Pam 231

3 June 2016, 08:54 AM	#15
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	231 for me too, the simplicity and beauty of that dial/watch is just stunning.

3 June 2016, 07:59 PM	#17
sctp39 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Home Posts: 562	197 for me. Hob nails, pr indicator, moving seconds. Attached Images

2 July 2016, 12:25 AM	#18
donut "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Jerry Location: Unseen Thailand Watch: LN/LV/BLNR Posts: 543	197 for me..love the JLC movement

2 July 2016, 06:58 AM	#20
GMTMasterII44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Boca Raton Watch: GMT Master II Posts: 277	Got to go with the 231 (personally)

2 July 2016, 07:06 AM	#21
Lordofrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Brandon Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Yes Please! Posts: 6,691	197 for me. I need a second hand. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Panerai PAM 359 Audemars Piguet RO 15300OR Follow me on Instagram: @b_jakobovich

2 July 2016, 07:11 AM	#22
Watch This Banned Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: In your head Watch: SS YMII Posts: 1,619	231

2 July 2016, 11:02 AM	#23
Frendrick "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Medan, Indonesia Posts: 79	231 for me

2 July 2016, 10:32 PM	#24
jsg "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: J. Location: North east USA Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 581	231 gets my vote.

2 July 2016, 11:19 PM	#25
Ruud Van Driver "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Chopped Liver Location: S. Wales Valleys Watch: Mickey Mouse Posts: 9,926	197. I prefer to have a seconds hand but the 231 does look 'cleaner'. __________________ 116520 Black, 116610 LVc, 116660 D-Blue, 116610 LNc, 116622 Blue, PAM359, PAM689, PAM737 *"Why should you allow an AD to shake you down, just so you can buy a watch" - Grady Philpott* Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

3 July 2016, 09:21 AM	#26
Soleless Shoes "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Rich Location: United States Posts: 302	197

3 July 2016, 05:08 PM	#27
rolexnub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Me & Papa Location: Echo Watch: ing TRF Posts: 3,428	Although 197 has a seconds feature, I don't like its dial. I prefer the cleaner look of 231's dial.

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