Advice on a Gilt Dial Submariner - Need expert eyes

[brockburst]

Hello friendly TRF. I am new to buying vintage pieces and throughout my time here, people who don't ask the experts of TRF often make poor decisions (when they don't know enough about what they are buying)

Anyway I am considering this timepiece.
http://www.chrono24.com/en/rolex/196...-id4671198.htm

It seems like a fair price (thoughts?) and looks to be all original.

Does anyone see anything alarming that would warrant a pass? Seems like a normal amount of polish, case in good condition etc, dial doesn't seem damaged.

Any questions outside of what is posted I should ask to get more information?

Here is a very large close up I got from the dealer



Thank you.

[DarthBane]

Seems the dial is missing some lume. Should get a macro of the plots.

I'm not sure about the bezel being genuine. Looks aftermarket.

Also, the bracelet is not a 93150 as advertised. The clasp may be a 93150 but the oyster links are 73860.

[brockburst]

Thank you, what about the Bezel looks off?

It is common for some lume to flake off the plots over time right?

[jdog111578]

Originally Posted by brockburst

Thank you, what about the Bezel looks off?

It is common for some lume to flake off the plots over time right?

I wouldn't say common per se, put it does happen. Looks to have flaked off and was cleaned off the dial at some time. As stated above, it is a 78360 bracelet and not the 93150, though are similar and wouldn't necessarily deter me from purchasing. As far as the bezel, it should look more like an upside down guitar pick (Crude description) where as there are very oval. Though it COULD happen from over polishing. But it doesn't look that way to me.

[brockburst]

A dial that clean is pretty uncommon or the examples with a dial that clean are often 20-30% more expensive. Weighing all of this is it a decent value or expensive relative to what it is?

Is it the bezel insert that is wrong or the bezel itself? Would anyone be so kind to post an authentic one just so I can see which pieces we are referencing (guitar pick?)

Appreciate you guys

[brockburst]

Compared to other bezels - I just went through a bunch at HQ --- they all seem to be shaped similar to this one, so perhaps it is correct?

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1964...ers-first-dial

[jdog111578]

Originally Posted by brockburst

A dial that clean is pretty uncommon or the examples with a dial that clean are often 20-30% more expensive. Weighing all of this is it a decent value or expensive relative to what it is?

Is it the bezel insert that is wrong or the bezel itself? Would anyone be so kind to post an authentic one just so I can see which pieces we are referencing (guitar pick?)

Appreciate you guys

I was referring to the bezel itself, not the insert.

[Kingface66]

For what it's worth, I bought my '66 gilt from Philippe at Exoticwatches (the company selling this one), and couldn't be happier with both the transaction and the watch (pictured below). He's an honest dealer and very forthright, and friendly.

[marcusjcw21]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

For what it's worth, I bought my '66 gilt from Philippe at Exoticwatches (the company selling this one), and couldn't be happier with both the transaction and the watch (pictured below). He's an honest dealer and very forthright, and friendly.

I love that second photo. Looks amazing.

[brockburst]

Can anyone else weigh in on the bezel? Dealer saying original and he has plenty of references including here.

[seattleal]

Originally Posted by brockburst

A dial that clean is pretty uncommon or the examples with a dial that clean are often 20-30% more expensive. Weighing all of this is it a decent value or expensive relative to what it is?

Is it the bezel insert that is wrong or the bezel itself? Would anyone be so kind to post an authentic one just so I can see which pieces we are referencing (guitar pick?)

Appreciate you guys

Here is mine with bezel and dial similar to the one you posted. The dial on mine is missing some lume on most plots (and most lume on a few plots), but all still glow briefly if exposed to bright light (as should the one you posted).



The insert on yours is a somewhat later serif fat font as opposed to the correct long 5 insert, but this is not that important IMO. Notice that the groves in the bezel on yours and mine are similar. Mine is original to the watch - so yours is likely also original and is correct.

Nice gilt 5513 IMO.

[southtexas]

Bezel ok in my opinion.

Would be curious to hear what the poster thinks looks "off" about it?

[DarthBane]

Sorry. Been busy.

Look at the distance from the tip of the bezel scallops to the inside edge. Typically, early/mid '60's subs had "wider" scallops rather than longer and pointy.

It's possible it's a service replacement from the mid '80s or so but I don't believe it's period correct.

It wouldn't be a deal breaker as a period correct replacement can be sourced if you are patient.

Just my opinion.

[droptopman]

I looked for a gilt 66 5513 everyday for 2 years...
this is a decent example but some of the lume plots have deteriorated as others have stated and a correct long 5 insert will run 1000-1500$ or so for a nice one. Bracelet should be a 7206 rivet which is another $1500 or so. I just do not have good enough eyes to really evaluate the bezel in pics.
Still worthy of consideration as it is hard to find good examples for sale.
My search ended back in February so not up on prices as much since then, but this would have been a touch high IMHO with the noted parts.
Here is my 66 which we believe is all original or at least has period correct parts.

Good luck!

[southtexas]

^^WOW^^


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[zapokee]

Shots of mine from 1964 for comparison. From HQ Milton. Original gilt hands. The plots are domed.