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dascenzo.nicola · 30 July 2016, 06:31 PM

Hi guys, I purchased a Rolex Submariner yesterday which is supposed to be a 1994 14060M W serial.

I trusted the seller so I didn't ask him to remove the bracelet nor the case to check the movement.

I took the bracelet off this morning and I noticed that it was a 14060 reference on the case.

The question is : is it a mistake from them or Rolex didn't write the M until a certain year ?
Well, I am a bit confused because the 14060M was introduced in 2001. This sounds a bit anachronic.

Thank you very much.

MonBK · 30 July 2016, 06:33 PM

Engravings don't look good.

jmsjabb · 30 July 2016, 07:06 PM

Engraving isn't right, as MonBK says.

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dascenzo.nicola · 30 July 2016, 07:30 PM

Also, is it better keeping this one or buying a M version ?
I paid 4500 euros for this without papers, nor box

dascenzo.nicola · 30 July 2016, 07:35 PM

why ? could you both be more specific ?

MonBK · 30 July 2016, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dascenzo.nicola

why ? could you both be more specific ?

Sure: Engraving does not look good!

dascenzo.nicola · 30 July 2016, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Sure: Engraving does not look good!

Yes, but could you explain me why :p I also have other rolex and it looks the same

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MorningTundra · 30 July 2016, 09:25 PM

I'd also like to know.. Too small? Too deep? Wrong font? Not right for the model? What's "not good"?

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roadkillrob · 30 July 2016, 10:35 PM

So here is what the engravings on a real watch look like, the letters tend to be evenly spaced and not overlapping each other http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ighlight=14060

marcusjcw21 · 30 July 2016, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dascenzo.nicola

Hi guys, I purchased a Rolex Submariner yesterday which is supposed to be a 1994 14060M W serial.

I trusted the seller so I didn't ask him to remove the bracelet nor the case to check the movement.

I took the bracelet off this morning and I noticed that it was a 14060 reference on the case.

The question is : is it a mistake from them or Rolex didn't write the M until a certain year ?
Well, I am a bit confused because the 14060M was introduced in 2001. This sounds a bit anachronic.

Thank you very much.

Engravings look like extremely shallow laser... a few microns deep.

GLADIATOR · 31 July 2016, 02:03 AM

I don't think the M would be there, just the model number, as in the link above.
Engraving is showing rub marks, which is a good sign.

I am traveling , tired and on iPod, but dial looks good

Photo of inside case and movement balance wheel and bridge would confirm best

Adam

freefly · 31 July 2016, 05:46 AM

Looks OK from here. I think the issue with the engraving is just a byproduct of the sub-optimal photos.

Old Expat Beast · 31 July 2016, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I don't think the M would be there, just the model number, as in the link above.
Engraving is showing rub marks, which is a good sign.

I am traveling , tired and on iPod, but dial looks good

Photo of inside case and movement balance wheel and bridge would confirm best

Adam

The M would be there, on the OP watch or the above linked watch, if either was a 14060M, but they are both 14060 (assuming the OP's is real).

freefly · 31 July 2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The M would be there, on the OP watch or the above linked watch, if either was a 14060M, but they are both 14060 (assuming the OP's is real).

+1

OP: If the seller told you that watch was a 14060M, then you were lied to. Sadly, I think that is a pretty common occurrence with these models.

There were non-COSC 14060Ms, but they came out about 5 year later than your W serial model, IIRC. And as Adam (Expat) mentioned above, the M would be present on the reference number between the lugs.

So I *believe* the breakdown is as follows:

14060 (2 line dial, 3000 movement, non-COSC).
14060M (2-line dial, 3130 movement, non-COSC).
14060M (4 line dial, 3130 movement, COSC).

GLADIATOR · 31 July 2016, 05:33 PM

Thanks Adam.
and firefly

RKTudor · 31 July 2016, 07:30 PM

Next stop should be an AD. Hope it all works out for OP.

dascenzo.nicola · 2 August 2016, 07:23 AM

Well thank you guys :) you helped me a lot !

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Al1969 · 3 August 2016, 03:06 PM

OP, If you trusted the seller why would you be concerned with authenticity? Personally, no box and papers would be a deal breaker for me, unless I was 110% confident with the seller.
Hope everything works out for you.

30 July 2016, 06:31 PM	#1
dascenzo.nicola "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Lucius Location: Amsterdam Watch: Mostly Rolex Posts: 49	I need some help with my Rolex Submariner Hi guys, I purchased a Rolex Submariner yesterday which is supposed to be a 1994 14060M W serial. I trusted the seller so I didn't ask him to remove the bracelet nor the case to check the movement. I took the bracelet off this morning and I noticed that it was a 14060 reference on the case. The question is : is it a mistake from them or Rolex didn't write the M until a certain year ? Well, I am a bit confused because the 14060M was introduced in 2001. This sounds a bit anachronic. Thank you very much. Attached Images

31 July 2016, 02:03 AM	#11
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	I don't think the M would be there, just the model number, as in the link above. Engraving is showing rub marks, which is a good sign. I am traveling , tired and on iPod, but dial looks good Photo of inside case and movement balance wheel and bridge would confirm best Adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

31 July 2016, 05:33 PM	#15
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Thanks Adam. and firefly __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

2 August 2016, 07:23 AM	#17
dascenzo.nicola "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Lucius Location: Amsterdam Watch: Mostly Rolex Posts: 49	Well thank you guys :) you helped me a lot ! Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk __________________ ONLY ROLEX 116610LV ; 116710BLNR 116710LN ; 1803 126000 ; 126234

3 August 2016, 03:06 PM	#18
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,640	OP, If you trusted the seller why would you be concerned with authenticity? Personally, no box and papers would be a deal breaker for me, unless I was 110% confident with the seller. Hope everything works out for you. __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

30 July 2016, 06:33 PM	#2
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Engravings don't look good.

30 July 2016, 07:06 PM	#3
jmsjabb "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: North Cotswolds Posts: 115	Engraving isn't right, as MonBK says. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 July 2016, 07:30 PM	#4
dascenzo.nicola "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Lucius Location: Amsterdam Watch: Mostly Rolex Posts: 49	Also, is it better keeping this one or buying a M version ? I paid 4500 euros for this without papers, nor box

30 July 2016, 07:35 PM	#5
dascenzo.nicola "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Real Name: Lucius Location: Amsterdam Watch: Mostly Rolex Posts: 49	why ? could you both be more specific ?

30 July 2016, 09:25 PM	#8
MorningTundra "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Morningtundra Location: USA, UK & HKG Posts: 1,038	I'd also like to know.. Too small? Too deep? Wrong font? Not right for the model? What's "not good"? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 July 2016, 10:35 PM	#9
roadkillrob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston Watch: 16610 Sub,ZblueMIL Posts: 167	So here is what the engravings on a real watch look like, the letters tend to be evenly spaced and not overlapping each other http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...ighlight=14060

31 July 2016, 05:46 AM	#12
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Looks OK from here. I think the issue with the engraving is just a byproduct of the sub-optimal photos.

31 July 2016, 07:30 PM	#16
RKTudor "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Rick Location: Emmaus, PA Watch: Tudor 79090 blue Posts: 298	Next stop should be an AD. Hope it all works out for OP.

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