The Explorer II 16570-3186 Is it considered rare?

[Soloman40]

I've been offered a white explorer II 16570 with a 3186 movt and the jeweler explained to me that it is a special watch coz it was produced in limited numbers and it have the engraved bezel. I declined the offer coz I'm not a big fan of the Exp-II. After getting back home and reading about it, i started thinking that I might buy it as an investment if it's gonna be considered rare in a few years. What do you guys know about this specific model? Icould it be a good catch?

[cdmorenot]

It is a good catch. Not because it is rare or highly desirable but because it is a great watch with a great movement in it.

If this was a 16710 with a 3186 you're possibly talking investment.

[Old Expat Beast]

Not rare, but less common. I have noticed them creeping over 5k lately in the classifieds.

[Mezz72]

do it but with a medium term view. prices are still very reasonable currently. way underpriced compared to a kermit or coke.



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[Soloman40]

Originally Posted by cdmorenot

It is a good catch. Not because it is rare or highly desirable but because it is a great watch with a great movement in it.

If this was a 16710 with a 3186 you're possibly talking investment.

Great and big thanks for the quick replies

[Soloman40]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Not rare, but less common. I have noticed them creeping over 5k lately in the classifieds.

Thx

[Soloman40]

Originally Posted by Mezz72

do it but with a medium term view. prices are still very reasonable currently. way underpriced compared to a kermit or coke.



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Thx

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Soloman40

I've been offered a white explorer II 16570 with a 3186 movt and the jeweler explained to me that it is a special watch coz it was produced in limited numbers and it have the engraved bezel. I declined the offer coz I'm not a big fan of the Exp-II. After getting back home and reading about it, i started thinking that I might buy it as an investment if it's gonna be considered rare in a few years. What do you guys know about this specific model? Icould it be a good catch?

Would expect there to be hundreds possibly a thousand 16570 with a modded 3185 into a 3186 rare no, much like the 16710, just made in smaller numbers.But thanks to the internet these 3186 16710 version now make a premium price,but only to those willing to pay, but not so much for the 16570 which is basically the same watch except the bezel.But early watches with a 3186 did have a movement problem but now rectified by Rolex plus we now have the cal 3187.

[yannis]

There is more hype for the 16710 with the 3186 than the 16570 with the said movement.

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by yannis7777

There is more hype for the 16710 with the 3186 than the 16570 with the said movement.

6/8 months production vs 4 years production

[douglasf13]

I personally turned one down in favor of lug holes + SELs (and I prefer no ROLEX on the rehaut.) If you care about such a thing, it's about as rare, too. Plus, as Peter mentioned, the 3186 and 3187 have the potential gear/spring issues that you may need to address if it hasn't been done already.

I honestly don't get why people are paying a premium for a movement that has a potential issue to deal with. Plus, traditionally, aesthetics tend to be what makes things collectible down the road.

[tjbender]

If I were in the market for a 16570 I think I'd pay the 10-12% premium they tend to be going for. I think it's cool they're somewhat more scarce.

[yannis]

Originally Posted by Alpino

6/8 months production vs 4 years production

Yes that is true and i omitted to consider that

[dannyp]

Curious the current "status" of 16570s with 3186s commanding an increasing price premium.

It's currently one of my daily wearers but I've occasionally considered trading it towards either a new 214270 or the (relatively) new Girard Perregaux Laureato 38mm.

Those two fit my lifestyle a little better, but I'll still probably keep my Explorer II; it's the last of the "old" Rolexes so has some nostalgic value, plus I only like buying brand new, and would therefore never be able to get another if I find myself missing this one.

[Rollright]

I think it's the best option for people who don't like the new big explorer ii's but want a newer Rolex (ie 3186 movement and rehaut engraving).

I do suspect the price will go up because all the other sports models have risen. Not sure if it will be in the realm of collectors or rare though. I hope it does rise.

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[RickRolexed]

Was considering to pick one up but only reasonable price one I found does not come with box and paper... (i do have another one 16570 with SEL and holes but wouldnt mind having one with a 3186 in it as a spare)

[904VT]

Rare is a bit of an exaggeration. But a great watch for sure

[GreatScott]

All Rolex ss models are going up, so I wouldn’t say it is going up any more or less fast than the others. Also, don’t buy any as an investment.

[coolbadger]

Very interesting and helpful discussion since I am leaning towards picking up a Rolex 16570 White dial. I did not know about the difference in movements and premium in price for the 3186 movement until I started researching into this topic. This thread has helped, thanks to all those who have contributed info and the OP for starting this discussion.

Now to my question: If you took away the "hype" over the 3186 movement what would the price look like? I totally understand that price of any item is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. Keeping that aside for a minute what would be your best guess?

[christian-h]

Originally Posted by coolbadger

Very interesting and helpful discussion since I am leaning towards picking up a Rolex 16570 White dial. I did not know about the difference in movements and premium in price for the 3186 movement until I started researching into this topic. This thread has helped, thanks to all those who have contributed info and the OP for starting this discussion.

Now to my question: If you took away the "hype" over the 3186 movement what would the price look like? I totally understand that price of any item is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. Keeping that aside for a minute what would be your best guess?

Today I would say around 5000-5500$. It's still a very reasonable price and it hasn't increased that much over the years. A good, fullset 16570 still fetched around 4000$ five years ago. It keeps up with the inflation I guess.

I'm very pleased over finding a (two, one for my girlfriend) good example for what I consider a justified price.

[Gaijin]

The Explorer II five digit reference is just the most comfortable and coolest Rolex I've ever had the pleasure of owning. Such a great watch. I wouldn't say the 3186 were made in limited numbers intentionally just that they were discontinued after a short run of 3186.

Personally I would buy a 3185 or a 3186 if I find one that was priced right. Honestly wearing it who knows if it is 3185 or 6? It is just a great Rolex.

[dannyp]

Thinking about this a little more, I think very few modern Rolex watches will become true collectors' items until they've been out of production at least 20 years, Rolex has ceased production of replacement parts, and finding all-original examples becomes more of a rarity.

[jrs146]

Personally I would not pay more just because of the 3186. Not for the Explorer and certainly not for what the GMT's go for!

[francksuperbaby]

The 3186 model is not rare just the "thin frame dial" 16570 is very rare .
Some of the very late polar have an AR cyclops and what is called a "thin frame" dial.

I am lucky to have one : year of production 2011 random serial number.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by francksuperbaby

The 3186 model is not rare just the "thin frame dial" 16570 is very rare .
Some of the very late polar have an AR cyclops and what is called a "thin frame" dial.

I am lucky to have one : year of production 2011 random serial number.

What is the "thin frame dial" version, and is it only on the polar?

[Richard Carver]

Of the actual collectible Rolex which is prized for a particular movement? I've noticed the 3186 is mostly flogged by guys who own a 3186. :) It does indicate a late 16570 and that's a legitimate identifier for those who prefer newer watches and there's nothing wrong with that.

If I were trying to predict what collectors will be looking for in 20 years I would observe what determines vintage value today and most of that is visual and most of that is the dial. Based on current collector criteria a tritium dialed Polar pre-1995 is the one to own. It will be the last to develop that most desired collectible characteristic of all, patina.



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[francksuperbaby]

after V or G, and definitely for the Random series , Rolex changed the thickness of the hour indices markers Explorer II 167570, from thick to thin.

this is mine and very rare :



This has the effect of increasing the diameter of the lume in the markers, making them appear larger They add the A R on the cyclop.

[christian-h]

Originally Posted by Gaijin

The Explorer II five digit reference is just the most comfortable and coolest Rolex I've ever had the pleasure of owning. Such a great watch. I wouldn't say the 3186 were made in limited numbers intentionally just that they were discontinued after a short run of 3186.

Personally I would buy a 3185 or a 3186 if I find one that was priced right. Honestly wearing it who knows if it is 3185 or 6? It is just a great Rolex.

I see at as an extra bonus. I closed my last deal before I knew it was a late m serie with 3186 and would have been just as pleased with 3185.

[Pict]

Originally Posted by francksuperbaby

after V or G, and definitely for the Random series , Rolex changed the thickness of the hour indices markers Explorer II 167570, from thick to thin.

this is mine and very rare :



This has the effect of increasing the diameter of the lume in the markers, making them appear larger They add the A R on the cyclop.

Great looking watch

Do you have any idea on numbers of both as you say this dial is very rare and that the 3186 in general is not?

[fskywalker]

More desirable by many, but some prefer the older 3185 series instead


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