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Ivy League · 19 September 2008, 01:11 PM

Why do some GMT enthusiasts prefer the 16710 over the new and improved 116710?
I'd really like to hear perspective please.

I.V.

k4vks · 19 September 2008, 01:15 PM

the polished mid-links is a turn-off for some. some people prefer the full brushed look over the polished

vzmax · 19 September 2008, 02:43 PM

Some like the Pepsi and Coke color variations.

karmatp · 19 September 2008, 02:47 PM

I totally prefer the classic 16710 to the new ceramic. I prefer the bracelet all brushed and I think the clasp and bracelet are super comfortable. I like having the option to change form the coke insert to the pepsi insert and I am not a huge fan of the ceramic bezel, I am also still trying to figure out if I prefer the maxi dial or the classic. I think some of us are old school and fight change, to me, the classic GMT II was perfect, the so called improvements are only improvements to some. I even prefer the red 24hr hand to the green, I could probably go on and on. The biggest factor for me is the polished center links, I seriously dislike them and I personally think that only dress watches should have them. Just my $0.02......

BiG JeEzY · 19 September 2008, 02:48 PM

Out of all GMTs I actually prefer the older 1675 models with the plastic crystal and matte dials. These were my favorite GMTs ever made, with the 16710 in second place.

Out of the 116710 and 16710, I would easily say the 16710. As nice as the new movement, ceramic bezel and maxi dials are, its not enough to make me want to purchase it.

I just love the 16710 for its incredible versatility, you can swap out the bezel inserts. Also, I do like the non maxi dial on it and really miss the brushed finish on the center links. In the end, I love the 16710 because its truly a classic pilots watch and its too early to say that for the 116710.

ashu2289 · 19 September 2008, 03:33 PM

I prefer 16710 over 116710 due to its pepsi n coke bezel option and also the all brushed satin bracelet

scottschoe · 19 September 2008, 04:05 PM

Just the overall classic look. Bracelet is a nonissue for me. Also, not a real fan of the green on the IIC.

Singslinger · 19 September 2008, 04:31 PM

I like both versions but I think the numerals on the new ceramic bezel are a bit too large, a bit too "in-your-face''. Having said that, my GMT2 was bought in 1987 (when the bracelet didn't have the fliplock clasp) so I'm thinking it's time for an update!

jdc · 19 September 2008, 04:52 PM

because its a classic looking watch with a rich pedigree and history, you can change the inserts to get a different look and to my eyes has great proportions. It is comfortable to wear and I like the red hand

gmtobsessed · 19 September 2008, 04:54 PM

I prefer 16710 because of the classic look, honestly 1675 is my fav,
but really hard to find mint one and if there is one, will be really costly.
I actually like polished center link, but not the big font on the ceramic bezel
of 116710.

Dan Pierce · 19 September 2008, 05:20 PM

120 click bezel, optional bezel inserts, choice of 2 bracelets, brushed center links, and the red 24 hour hand. The GMT IIc has features many would call improvements and sales have confirmed it's popularity. However, like many have already said here, the 16710 is a classic that's stood the test of time.

dP

swatch · 19 September 2008, 06:49 PM

The 116710 was also quite a price jump over the 16710.

walds11 · 19 September 2008, 07:02 PM

I prefer the classic 16710. I don't like the supercase, maxi-dial and large numbers on the ceramic bezel of the 116710. I am sure I will fell the same way when the new SS Sub Date comes out.

2careless · 19 September 2008, 07:09 PM

In additional to the above reasons, if I want a 116710, I can get it BNIB anytime in future. Not quite for the 16710 unless you hunt around. In 3-5 years time, it would be very difficult to get a BNIB 16710 other than the time capsuled examples.

C. Davidson · 19 September 2008, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

In additional to the above reasons, if I want a 116710, I can get it BNIB anytime in future. Not quite for the 16710 unless you hunt around. In 3-5 years time, it would be very difficult to get a BNIB 16710 other than the time capsuled examples.

Well said.

buz-lh · 19 September 2008, 07:35 PM

I prefer the 16710 for all the reasons that have been listed here. The C is pretty sharp in its own right but not for me.

karmatp · 20 September 2008, 12:27 AM

I really wish some of the head designers at Rolex would read this thread, maybe then they would stop messing with perfection.

Trurolexer · 20 September 2008, 12:36 AM

GMT = PEPSI

To me...

Rockrolex · 20 September 2008, 12:41 AM

Like others have said, I find the 16710 to be pure perfection, particularly in the all black version.

I love the red 24 hr. hand. I don't like the polished center links on the IIc and I especially don't like the green 24 hr. hand.

timetravel125 · 20 September 2008, 01:16 AM

I prefer colored bezels, hence I like 16710.

DSJ · 20 September 2008, 01:30 AM

I vacillate between them, but definitely prefer the brushed bracelet over the polished. I also prefer the smaller dial markers/hands and classic look of the 16710. But I prefer the solid construction of the 116710's bracelet/clasp, the ceramic bezel and the green 24H hand.

Fortunately, I'm content with my Explorer II, so I don't have to make any decision about this regarding future GMT ownership at the moment.

gone2vegas · 20 September 2008, 02:32 AM

If the numbers on the 116710 bezel insert were a tad smaller I might have bought one instead of the 16710.

Lamone · 20 September 2008, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiG JeEzY

Out of all GMTs I actually prefer the older 1675 models with the plastic crystal and matte dials. These were my favorite GMTs ever made, with the 16710 in second place.

I second that!

BillA · 20 September 2008, 03:39 AM

My Pepsi is the most comfortable Rolex I have ever owned.
I think the blue/red is so cool!

Trurolexer · 20 September 2008, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillA

My Pepsi is the most comfortable Rolex I have ever owned.
I think the blue/red is so cool!

Not just cool...But VERY COOL!!!

HDHNTER · 20 September 2008, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmatp

I totally prefer the classic 16710 to the new ceramic. I prefer the bracelet all brushed and I think the clasp and bracelet are super comfortable. I like having the option to change form the coke insert to the pepsi insert and I am not a huge fan of the ceramic bezel, I am also still trying to figure out if I prefer the maxi dial or the classic. I think some of us are old school and fight change, to me, the classic GMT II was perfect, the so called improvements are only improvements to some. I even prefer the red 24hr hand to the green, I could probably go on and on. The biggest factor for me is the polished center links, I seriously dislike them and I personally think that only dress watches should have them. Just my $0.02......

Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing out the same reply.

Ivy League · 20 September 2008, 04:21 AM

Wow........
I am honestly shocked to hear so many supporters of the old GMT.

Now let's reverse the question here:
How many members prefer the updated movement?
The improved clasp?
The brilliant ceramic bezel that I can't seem to take my eyes off of?
Not to mention the solid shiny polished center links?
Thanks to all those who have provided me with your candid feedback.

I.V.

walds11 · 20 September 2008, 05:14 AM

Right on Bill. The Pepsi is still on my short list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillA

My Pepsi is the most comfortable Rolex I have ever owned.
I think the blue/red is so cool!

Frank 21 · 20 September 2008, 05:18 AM

It looks to much like a piece of jewelry than a utility watch for me..

JohnEaton · 20 September 2008, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

GMT = PEPSI

To me...

Maybe

GMT = COKE

19 September 2008, 01:11 PM	#1
Ivy League Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth Watch: 116710LN Posts: 448	16710 vs. 116710 Why do some GMT enthusiasts prefer the 16710 over the new and improved 116710? I'd really like to hear perspective please. I.V.

19 September 2008, 01:15 PM	#2
k4vks "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Vishnu Location: FL, USA Posts: 197	the polished mid-links is a turn-off for some. some people prefer the full brushed look over the polished __________________ 73's AJ4VS (new callsign)

19 September 2008, 02:47 PM	#4
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I totally prefer the classic 16710 to the new ceramic. I prefer the bracelet all brushed and I think the clasp and bracelet are super comfortable. I like having the option to change form the coke insert to the pepsi insert and I am not a huge fan of the ceramic bezel, I am also still trying to figure out if I prefer the maxi dial or the classic. I think some of us are old school and fight change, to me, the classic GMT II was perfect, the so called improvements are only improvements to some. I even prefer the red 24hr hand to the green, I could probably go on and on. The biggest factor for me is the polished center links, I seriously dislike them and I personally think that only dress watches should have them. Just my $0.02...... __________________ My grails:

19 September 2008, 02:48 PM	#5
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	Out of all GMTs I actually prefer the older 1675 models with the plastic crystal and matte dials. These were my favorite GMTs ever made, with the 16710 in second place. Out of the 116710 and 16710, I would easily say the 16710. As nice as the new movement, ceramic bezel and maxi dials are, its not enough to make me want to purchase it. I just love the 16710 for its incredible versatility, you can swap out the bezel inserts. Also, I do like the non maxi dial on it and really miss the brushed finish on the center links. In the end, I love the 16710 because its truly a classic pilots watch and its too early to say that for the 116710. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

19 September 2008, 03:33 PM	#6
ashu2289 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Ashutosh Location: Rochester NY Watch: Daytonas,SD Posts: 2,342	I prefer 16710 over 116710 due to its pepsi n coke bezel option and also the all brushed satin bracelet __________________ Everything becomes nothing after ROLEX 116520 SS Daytona White Dial 116520 SS Daytona Black Dial 116523 18K&SS Daytona Slate Dial 16600 Sea-Dweller 16710 GMT Master II Pepsi Bezel 16613 18K&SS Submariner Blue Dial 116660 Deepsea Sea-Dweller

19 September 2008, 02:43 PM	#3
vzmax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: S Florida Posts: 221	Some like the Pepsi and Coke color variations.

19 September 2008, 04:05 PM	#7
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	Just the overall classic look. Bracelet is a nonissue for me. Also, not a real fan of the green on the IIC. __________________ __________________

19 September 2008, 04:31 PM	#8
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	I like both versions but I think the numerals on the new ceramic bezel are a bit too large, a bit too "in-your-face''. Having said that, my GMT2 was bought in 1987 (when the bracelet didn't have the fliplock clasp) so I'm thinking it's time for an update!

19 September 2008, 04:52 PM	#9
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	because its a classic looking watch with a rich pedigree and history, you can change the inserts to get a different look and to my eyes has great proportions. It is comfortable to wear and I like the red hand Attached Images

19 September 2008, 04:54 PM	#10
gmtobsessed "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indonesia Posts: 1,374	I prefer 16710 because of the classic look, honestly 1675 is my fav, but really hard to find mint one and if there is one, will be really costly. I actually like polished center link, but not the big font on the ceramic bezel of 116710.

19 September 2008, 05:20 PM	#11
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,215	120 click bezel, optional bezel inserts, choice of 2 bracelets, brushed center links, and the red 24 hour hand. The GMT IIc has features many would call improvements and sales have confirmed it's popularity. However, like many have already said here, the 16710 is a classic that's stood the test of time. dP Attached Images __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

19 September 2008, 06:49 PM	#12
swatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: UK Watch: 116520 Posts: 98	The 116710 was also quite a price jump over the 16710.

19 September 2008, 07:02 PM	#13
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	I prefer the classic 16710. I don't like the supercase, maxi-dial and large numbers on the ceramic bezel of the 116710. I am sure I will fell the same way when the new SS Sub Date comes out. __________________ Adam

19 September 2008, 07:09 PM	#14
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	In additional to the above reasons, if I want a 116710, I can get it BNIB anytime in future. Not quite for the 16710 unless you hunt around. In 3-5 years time, it would be very difficult to get a BNIB 16710 other than the time capsuled examples.

19 September 2008, 07:35 PM	#16
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	I prefer the 16710 for all the reasons that have been listed here. The C is pretty sharp in its own right but not for me. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

20 September 2008, 12:27 AM	#17
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I really wish some of the head designers at Rolex would read this thread, maybe then they would stop messing with perfection. __________________ My grails:

20 September 2008, 12:36 AM	#18
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	GMT = PEPSI To me...

20 September 2008, 12:41 AM	#19
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,967	Like others have said, I find the 16710 to be pure perfection, particularly in the all black version. I love the red 24 hr. hand. I don't like the polished center links on the IIc and I especially don't like the green 24 hr. hand. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

20 September 2008, 01:16 AM	#20
timetravel125 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Louie Location: California Watch: Rolex Posts: 644	I prefer colored bezels, hence I like 16710.

20 September 2008, 01:30 AM	#21
DSJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: USA Watch: your step! Posts: 7,882	I vacillate between them, but definitely prefer the brushed bracelet over the polished. I also prefer the smaller dial markers/hands and classic look of the 16710. But I prefer the solid construction of the 116710's bracelet/clasp, the ceramic bezel and the green 24H hand. Fortunately, I'm content with my Explorer II, so I don't have to make any decision about this regarding future GMT ownership at the moment. __________________ Rolex. The Rolex of watches. 16570 Expy2 Noir, 116710 GMT Master II, 2552.80 SMP

20 September 2008, 02:32 AM	#22
gone2vegas "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Peter Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 303	If the numbers on the 116710 bezel insert were a tad smaller I might have bought one instead of the 16710. __________________ It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. PAM 312

20 September 2008, 03:39 AM	#24
BillA 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,878	My Pepsi is the most comfortable Rolex I have ever owned. I think the blue/red is so cool!

20 September 2008, 04:21 AM	#27
Ivy League Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Earth Watch: 116710LN Posts: 448	Wow........ I am honestly shocked to hear so many supporters of the old GMT. Now let's reverse the question here: How many members prefer the updated movement? The improved clasp? The brilliant ceramic bezel that I can't seem to take my eyes off of? Not to mention the solid shiny polished center links? Thanks to all those who have provided me with your candid feedback. I.V.

20 September 2008, 05:18 AM	#29
Frank 21 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 136	It looks to much like a piece of jewelry than a utility watch for me..

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