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Crimbo · 4 October 2008, 08:28 PM

Hi

I've got a 2005 14060M SS ND Sub, that was a present for my 40th - I know that's shocked you, as from my message you can already tell that I don't look a day over 39!

I really love this watch and view it as a classic. I wear it just about every day, and whenever I look at it I smile with contentment. But, if I was forced into a corner and had to change one thing about it, it would be that I have to keep reaching into my pocket for my mobile whenever I arrive at a company on business, and have to sign and more importantly date their visitors' book.

But I've now got the chance to sell my 14060M and buy a new 16600 SS S-D 4000 for £3,280 (that's about $5,810). As this model has just been discontinued I think they will become increasingly more difficult to find and so could be a really good investment.

But I keep varying between thinking the 14060M is a classic, so keep it (meaning I couldn't buy the 16600), and thinking the 16600 has the same good looks, has got a date function, and should really appreciate in value, so scrape together the difference in price between the two and buy it!

I'm also not sure how the fact that my 14060M was pre-summer 2007 and so isn't an officially certified superlative chronometer will affect its future value - i.e. is that likely to make it more or less in demand over time, do you think?

If it wasn't for the credit crunch I'd try and keep my 14060M and buy the 16600 as well. But times are hard and I can't afford to do that (maybe I could sell a kidney!).

What would you do??!!

All suggestions (provided they're clean and helpful) would be gratefully accepted!

All the best,

Crimbo

toph · 4 October 2008, 08:48 PM

welcome to TRF Crimbo
Here are my thoughts.
Well the fact that the 14060M is non certified makes no real difference at the moment as it is the same movement as the officially certified 14060M. It is hard to tell which will be more valuable in the future. There is now, as you now the officially certified model that has been in production for 12-18 months or so. If rolex released a new 14060 model with a ceramic bezel soon, highly possible, then this model will be the most valuable in the long run as it has only been in production for a short time.
Secondly there are many 16600 SD so i would think that appreciation/depreciation of value would not be too different from other standard models in the next 10-15 years. Although many say they have been discontinued, the SD is still being sold in stores as we speak (type).

The only advice i will give, is to go with what you really want. If you really want the SD, the date is very useul, then you should definitly go for it as you will be happy in the long run. If you really love the ND then you will regret selling it.

padi56 · 4 October 2008, 08:59 PM

Have to agree with Christopher on all counts but how hard is it to check date like you say on phone.Dont think any modern day Rolex will become really collectable, just to many of them around.Models like the 14060 tritium dial IMHO will be the exception, and
could be the future 5512/3 .

Baptistman · 4 October 2008, 09:58 PM

Hmmm, difficult one, The SD is beautiful, I have owned a couple and adore it. As far as future value is concerned, I'm not sure if I would let that hinder my decision.

If its available and you can pay any difference, then for me it's a no brainer.

Jocke · 4 October 2008, 10:02 PM

If you got it from your wife so keep it and you still have a date. If you sell it and get
a SD maybe you will be a single with a date.

Maybe it sounds strange, but so it is.

Jocke

jdc · 4 October 2008, 10:08 PM

If it is your one and only watch then have the one you really want, don't worry about future value - its all speculation. If the date is that important get the new one

swatty · 4 October 2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

If you got it from your wife so keep it and you still have a date. If you sell it and get
a SD maybe you will be a single with a date.

Maybe it sounds strange, but so it is.

Jocke

Have to agree

Tools · 5 October 2008, 02:07 AM

I don't have any issues asking somebody else what the date is when I need to know it...

gone-rolex-mad · 5 October 2008, 02:17 AM

Its a no brainer, go for the SD. I just bought one myself its a great looking sports watch and will set you apart from the sub crowd. Don't think too hard about future values, just enjoy wearing it.

CKay · 5 October 2008, 03:34 AM

Keep the ND Sub if you can only have one Rolex, as it is a gift from your wife. Nothing else matters. Not even the SD.

eric23 · 5 October 2008, 03:36 AM

Welcome to TRF! The ND Sub is a great watch, Clean look.

SLS · 5 October 2008, 03:41 AM

You may regret getting rid of the Sub in the future, especially if it was a gift! There will be plenty of SD's out there for years to come, and quite honestly I really do not see the price going up too much on he SD in the next few years. Hang on to the Sub for now and save up for the SD, you said it yourself, things are tight....so why spend more when you have one of the most classic watches of all time?
~Scott

CH & USA · 5 October 2008, 05:15 AM

I have soft spot for the 14060M with NATO... If I'd love to get my hand on one (or wrist inside one, that is!) for rugged activities... so my take is: don't worry about the date and get the 14060M.

Just my $.02,
best of luck!

CoopJr · 5 October 2008, 05:24 AM

If the present was from someone else, make sure that they are cool with you making the swap. If they are, or if you rewarded yourself with the ND, I would say get the SD. There are too many SD's out there to make this a collectible...same thing with my LV sub. Get the SD because you like & where it because you want to.

I use the date function on my LV several times a day at work so I know what you mean

karmatp · 5 October 2008, 05:47 AM

I would keep your sub, it's a great watch, classic look and perfectly balanced. It is also much more comfortable than the SD IMHO, especially for everyday wear. It took me some time to figure out that the grass is not always greener, I have bought and sold a couple of 14060's, and I always missed them when they were gone.

Crimbo · 5 October 2008, 05:55 AM

Thanks a lot for all the replies.

The consensus seems to be: keep the Sub as it was from my wife and I love it (and her as well of course); but also save up for an SD as it could be seen as a more aspirational watch.

I know Rolex wiill not be putting up the MRSP every 6 months as it has been discontinued, but I'll have to hope that there are enough about in the future to enable me to be able to get hold of one, and for their potential scarcity not to drive the price up too much.

Mmmmm, now I need a cunning plan to raise the cash....if anyone is in the market for that kidney, let me know!

Cheers

Crimbo

CH & USA · 5 October 2008, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimbo

Thanks a lot for all the replies.

The consensus seems to be: keep the Sub as it was from my wife and I love it (and her as well of course); but also save up for an SD as it could be seen as a more aspirational watch.

I know Rolex wiill not be putting up the MRSP every 6 months as it has been discontinued, but I'll have to hope that there are enough about in the future to enable me to be able to get hold of one, and for their potential scarcity not to drive the price up too much.

Mmmmm, now I need a cunning plan to raise the cash....if anyone is in the market for that kidney, let me know!

Cheers

Crimbo

Kidney? With fava beans and a nice Chianti!

4 October 2008, 08:28 PM	#1
Crimbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Watch: 14060M Sub Posts: 26	Help!!! Hi I've got a 2005 14060M SS ND Sub, that was a present for my 40th - I know that's shocked you, as from my message you can already tell that I don't look a day over 39! I really love this watch and view it as a classic. I wear it just about every day, and whenever I look at it I smile with contentment. But, if I was forced into a corner and had to change one thing about it, it would be that I have to keep reaching into my pocket for my mobile whenever I arrive at a company on business, and have to sign and more importantly date their visitors' book. But I've now got the chance to sell my 14060M and buy a new 16600 SS S-D 4000 for £3,280 (that's about $5,810). As this model has just been discontinued I think they will become increasingly more difficult to find and so could be a really good investment. But I keep varying between thinking the 14060M is a classic, so keep it (meaning I couldn't buy the 16600), and thinking the 16600 has the same good looks, has got a date function, and should really appreciate in value, so scrape together the difference in price between the two and buy it! I'm also not sure how the fact that my 14060M was pre-summer 2007 and so isn't an officially certified superlative chronometer will affect its future value - i.e. is that likely to make it more or less in demand over time, do you think? If it wasn't for the credit crunch I'd try and keep my 14060M and buy the 16600 as well. But times are hard and I can't afford to do that (maybe I could sell a kidney!). What would you do??!! All suggestions (provided they're clean and helpful) would be gratefully accepted! All the best, Crimbo

4 October 2008, 08:48 PM	#2
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	welcome to TRF Crimbo Here are my thoughts. Well the fact that the 14060M is non certified makes no real difference at the moment as it is the same movement as the officially certified 14060M. It is hard to tell which will be more valuable in the future. There is now, as you now the officially certified model that has been in production for 12-18 months or so. If rolex released a new 14060 model with a ceramic bezel soon, highly possible, then this model will be the most valuable in the long run as it has only been in production for a short time. Secondly there are many 16600 SD so i would think that appreciation/depreciation of value would not be too different from other standard models in the next 10-15 years. Although many say they have been discontinued, the SD is still being sold in stores as we speak (type). The only advice i will give, is to go with what you really want. If you really want the SD, the date is very useul, then you should definitly go for it as you will be happy in the long run. If you really love the ND then you will regret selling it. __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

4 October 2008, 08:59 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Have to agree with Christopher on all counts but how hard is it to check date like you say on phone.Dont think any modern day Rolex will become really collectable, just to many of them around.Models like the 14060 tritium dial IMHO will be the exception, and could be the future 5512/3 . __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

4 October 2008, 09:58 PM	#4
Baptistman "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Jon Location: UK Posts: 2,405	Hmmm, difficult one, The SD is beautiful, I have owned a couple and adore it. As far as future value is concerned, I'm not sure if I would let that hinder my decision. If its available and you can pay any difference, then for me it's a no brainer. __________________ Whatever the watch, it's your wrist, it speaks to you, enjoy it

4 October 2008, 10:02 PM	#5
Jocke 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,541	If you got it from your wife so keep it and you still have a date. If you sell it and get a SD maybe you will be a single with a date. Maybe it sounds strange, but so it is. Jocke __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

4 October 2008, 10:08 PM	#6
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	If it is your one and only watch then have the one you really want, don't worry about future value - its all speculation. If the date is that important get the new one

5 October 2008, 02:07 AM	#8
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I don't have any issues asking somebody else what the date is when I need to know it... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 October 2008, 02:17 AM	#9
gone-rolex-mad "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Andalucia Spain Watch: WG daydate-Daytona Posts: 1,338	Its a no brainer, go for the SD. I just bought one myself its a great looking sports watch and will set you apart from the sub crowd. Don't think too hard about future values, just enjoy wearing it.

5 October 2008, 03:34 AM	#10
CKay "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 467	Keep the ND Sub if you can only have one Rolex, as it is a gift from your wife. Nothing else matters. Not even the SD. __________________ BLACK IS THICKER THAN BLOOD

5 October 2008, 03:36 AM	#11
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	Welcome to TRF! The ND Sub is a great watch, Clean look.

5 October 2008, 03:41 AM	#12
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	You may regret getting rid of the Sub in the future, especially if it was a gift! There will be plenty of SD's out there for years to come, and quite honestly I really do not see the price going up too much on he SD in the next few years. Hang on to the Sub for now and save up for the SD, you said it yourself, things are tight....so why spend more when you have one of the most classic watches of all time? ~Scott

5 October 2008, 05:15 AM	#13
CH & USA Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Good ol' USA Watch: DATEJUST (116200) Posts: 161	I have soft spot for the 14060M with NATO... If I'd love to get my hand on one (or wrist inside one, that is!) for rugged activities... so my take is: don't worry about the date and get the 14060M. Just my $.02, best of luck!

5 October 2008, 05:24 AM	#14
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	If the present was from someone else, make sure that they are cool with you making the swap. If they are, or if you rewarded yourself with the ND, I would say get the SD. There are too many SD's out there to make this a collectible...same thing with my LV sub. Get the SD because you like & where it because you want to. I use the date function on my LV several times a day at work so I know what you mean

5 October 2008, 05:47 AM	#15
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	I would keep your sub, it's a great watch, classic look and perfectly balanced. It is also much more comfortable than the SD IMHO, especially for everyday wear. It took me some time to figure out that the grass is not always greener, I have bought and sold a couple of 14060's, and I always missed them when they were gone. __________________ My grails:

5 October 2008, 05:55 AM	#16
Crimbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Watch: 14060M Sub Posts: 26	Thanks a lot for all the replies. The consensus seems to be: keep the Sub as it was from my wife and I love it (and her as well of course); but also save up for an SD as it could be seen as a more aspirational watch. I know Rolex wiill not be putting up the MRSP every 6 months as it has been discontinued, but I'll have to hope that there are enough about in the future to enable me to be able to get hold of one, and for their potential scarcity not to drive the price up too much. Mmmmm, now I need a cunning plan to raise the cash....if anyone is in the market for that kidney, let me know! Cheers Crimbo

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