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Fleetlord · 25 July 2017, 05:07 AM

I am really interested in the different grades of sticker condition and how it affects the purchase..

So a marred sticker that prevented damage to the actual watch, but in itself has some damage, is grounds for rejecting a watch?

I am absolutely fascinated by this and would love a further explanation as to why this is a thing to worry about. No judgement, I just am worried that I'm not concerned about the sticker condition when perhaps I should be...

Lordofrolex · 25 July 2017, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I am really interested in the different grades of sticker condition and how it affects the purchase..

So a marred sticker that prevented damage to the actual watch, but in itself has some damage, is grounds for rejecting a watch?

I am absolutely fascinated by this and would love a further explanation as to why this is a thing to worry about. No judgement, I just am worried that I'm not concerned about the sticker condition when perhaps I should be...

I think because a lot of people I've noticed keep there stickers on the watch and wear it. Which i think is crazy but I've seen it.

MonBK · 25 July 2017, 05:20 AM

Let's not forget the most important part: Bezel Protector.

daveathall · 25 July 2017, 05:26 AM

I'm missing some stickers, what is a fair price for clasp stickers?

MonBK · 25 July 2017, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

I'm missing some stickers, what is a fair price for clasp stickers?

Judging by this thread they must be worth a fortune but be very careful as there are plenty of fakes out there.

MonBK · 25 July 2017, 05:32 AM

Ooops, forgot the price.

I wouldn't pay more then $200 for it.

Runnin' Rebel · 25 July 2017, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I am really interested in the different grades of sticker condition and how it affects the purchase..

So a marred sticker that prevented damage to the actual watch, but in itself has some damage, is grounds for rejecting a watch?

I am absolutely fascinated by this and would love a further explanation as to why this is a thing to worry about. No judgement, I just am worried that I'm not concerned about the sticker condition when perhaps I should be...

There is no difference IMO

People are different

Tony64 · 25 July 2017, 05:55 AM

Maybe the stickers should have stickers to protect them? Problem solved....but then....

Fleetlord · 25 July 2017, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

There is no difference IMO

People are different

I would love to hear from those concerned over this....

Runnin' Rebel · 25 July 2017, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I would love to hear from those concerned over this....

Me too. Really ridiculous

Customers are the enemy !

Kneecough · 25 July 2017, 07:09 AM

I purchased my first Submariner from David (in person) after a poor experience at my local AD. David treated me as the AD should have, while providing me with the SAME brand new product with my name on the warranty card. He took the time to explain everything, sized the watch for me and removed the stickers in front of me.

In my opinion, aside from an AD receipt, the product I received was identical. The price and experience were much better.

I have since randomly ran into him a few times, and he is always friendly. I have also reached out to him for assistance with another watch I did not purchase from him. He went above and beyond to assist me.

Know that if you deal with David, you are dealing with the best.

austinp · 25 July 2017, 07:25 AM

I think laser etched stickers would be a good idea So as to avoid fake stickers.

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superdog · 25 July 2017, 08:46 AM

Not saying anyone is right or wrong. Certainly not advocating on any particular way to make a purchase.

But if someone is spending many thousands of dollars they have the right to have certain expectations without facing ridicule.

To each their own.

dmash · 25 July 2017, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Buyers are the enemy !

Fixed that for you, just ask the Intl House of Time

Sunny Arizona · 25 July 2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Wait....the bracelet stickers had some "marks"...

So above being a minty watch, now there has to be minty stickers too?

So there are varying grades of sticker condition?

Actually yes. You can tell based on the condition of the Bracelet clasp sticker whether it was worn. In my case it was very clearly worn for a period of time with the stickers on the clasp still in place. Big enough of a deal to send back, no but not in unworn condition.

Sunny Arizona · 25 July 2017, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

I'm missing some stickers, what is a fair price for clasp stickers?

Depends if worn or unworn.

GB-man · 25 July 2017, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

For heaven sake, do people honestly expect a watch that is untouched by human hands? Stickers in pristine condition? Never out of the coffin? Do people honestly count all the stickers on the watch to see that they are all there? FFS, get real.

The same people are the ones that use the phrase "tool watch" and call it "character" when it gets scratched.

Hilarious isn't it?

I could *not care less if my watch has been in the case. Fresh is better but who cares provided its mint?

*(Hey Eddie look ^ I finally got it right)

Tony64 · 25 July 2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

Not saying anyone is right or wrong. Certainly not advocating on any particular way to make a purchase.

But if someone is spending many thousands of dollars they have the right to have certain expectations without facing ridicule.

To each their own.

Expectations must be realistic, that's all we're saying. You may be spending many thousands of dollars on a watch, but some here are quibbling over stickers it seems. I'm not surprised that would bring some gentle ridicule.

Imagine if anyone tried the same shenanigans in a luxury car dealership. I'll drop $130k on that S-class but if it's delivered without the plastic shipping stickers then the deal's off? I'm pretty sure the dealer could do without my business. Quite honestly, I'm impressed that DavidSW is even willing to cater to this.

It's a watch for goodness sake. Unless it's being purchased for some other purpose than to be worn, perhaps some personal shrine to 21st century horology, it seems like an awful lot of hullabaloo over nothing.

But as you said, to each his own...

Old Geezer · 25 July 2017, 09:52 AM

I guess for me it comes down to what is represented and what a buyer receives. If something is presented as "unworn/stickers in place", that should be the case. If I purchased a watch presented as such and it arrived with stickers peeling and some missing or showing scratches that would otherwise been on the watch itself, I would return it. This condition is not "unworn/stickers in place" and I would not pay the premium over a known used watch.

superdog · 25 July 2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony64

Expectations must be realistic, that's all we're saying. You may be spending many thousands of dollars on a watch, but some here are quibbling over stickers it seems. I'm not surprised that would bring some gentle ridicule.

Imagine if anyone tried the same shenanigans in a luxury car dealership. I'll drop $130k on that S-class but if it's delivered without the plastic shipping stickers then the deal's off? I'm pretty sure the dealer could do without my business. Quite honestly, I'm impressed that DavidSW is even willing to cater to this.

It's a watch for goodness sake. Unless it's being purchased for some other purpose than to be worn, perhaps some personal shrine to 21st century horology, it seems like an awful lot of hullabaloo over nothing.

But as you said, to each his own...

To you and to me it seems like a lot of hullabaloo. But for a first time buyer spending many thousands?

It's a watch. Sure. But it's years of saving for many. Myself included first time I bought a Rolex. Not sure ridicule is fair.

superdog · 25 July 2017, 10:12 AM

^^

And just to add a little bit. Of course David has to cater to this. It's his business to deal with anything and everything. And it's why he's so successful. Because he handles himself like a pro every time.

donas · 25 July 2017, 10:20 AM

From him I'd assume it's like new. Just check him out on the who's who section. I've bought several from him.

Tony64 · 25 July 2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by superdog

^^

And just to add a little bit. Of course David has to cater to this. It's his business to deal with anything and everything. And it's why he's so successful. Because he handles himself like a pro every time.

I'm sure you're right Seth, and I suppose it's one reason why I'm not in sales. "Customer is always right" and other such nonsense. Bah. I'd have no tolerance for such pettiness.

DavidSW sets the bar pretty high, as his handling of this situation so aptly demonstrates.

Star Ferry · 25 July 2017, 01:03 PM

Some people (not referring to OP or any particular person) want to pay gray market prices and also enjoy an AD level of attention... I'm not sure if this is a reasonable expectation. For what it's worth, I ordered an AP from DavidSW -- shipped quickly, and he did thank me for my business.

daveathall · 25 July 2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

I could *not care less

Well done Tom.

treblarefils · 25 July 2017, 07:22 PM

My complaint was not about stickers it was about scratches on all 4 lugs of my watch from bracelet removal on a watch listed as unworn stickered and assumed new with no defects. The pictures of the watch on the site were not the watch that was sent it was the correct watch yes but not the pictured watch. But it seems we have come to a resolution of sorts. This does not stop me from buying from DSW in the future or recommending to others. I will just ask more questions about the watch instead of just assuming.

Tony64 · 25 July 2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by treblarefils

My complaint was not about stickers it was about scratches on all 4 lugs of my watch from bracelet removal on a watch listed as unworn stickered and assumed new with no defects. The pictures of the watch on the site were not the watch that was sent it was the correct watch yes but not the pictured watch. But it seems we have come to a resolution of sorts. This does not stop me from buying from DSW in the future or recommending to others. I will just ask more questions about the watch instead of just assuming.

Yours sounds like a legit compliant, but others not as much. Fwiw I agree that what you describe would not be acceptable.

rr-nyc · 26 July 2017, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony64

At least it didn't say "excellent condition with little noticeable wear"

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=545942

That's bad

25 July 2017, 05:26 AM	#64
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	I'm missing some stickers, what is a fair price for clasp stickers? __________________ KINDEST REGARDS DAVE

25 July 2017, 08:46 AM	#73
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	Not saying anyone is right or wrong. Certainly not advocating on any particular way to make a purchase. But if someone is spending many thousands of dollars they have the right to have certain expectations without facing ridicule. To each their own. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

25 July 2017, 10:12 AM	#81
superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	^^ And just to add a little bit. Of course David has to cater to this. It's his business to deal with anything and everything. And it's why he's so successful. Because he handles himself like a pro every time. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

25 July 2017, 05:07 AM	#61
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,026	I am really interested in the different grades of sticker condition and how it affects the purchase.. So a marred sticker that prevented damage to the actual watch, but in itself has some damage, is grounds for rejecting a watch? I am absolutely fascinated by this and would love a further explanation as to why this is a thing to worry about. No judgement, I just am worried that I'm not concerned about the sticker condition when perhaps I should be...

25 July 2017, 05:20 AM	#63
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Let's not forget the most important part: Bezel Protector.

25 July 2017, 05:32 AM	#66
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Ooops, forgot the price. I wouldn't pay more then $200 for it.

25 July 2017, 05:55 AM	#68
Tony64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,796	Maybe the stickers should have stickers to protect them? Problem solved....but then....

25 July 2017, 07:09 AM	#71
Kneecough "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Florida Posts: 1,792	I purchased my first Submariner from David (in person) after a poor experience at my local AD. David treated me as the AD should have, while providing me with the SAME brand new product with my name on the warranty card. He took the time to explain everything, sized the watch for me and removed the stickers in front of me. In my opinion, aside from an AD receipt, the product I received was identical. The price and experience were much better. I have since randomly ran into him a few times, and he is always friendly. I have also reached out to him for assistance with another watch I did not purchase from him. He went above and beyond to assist me. Know that if you deal with David, you are dealing with the best.

25 July 2017, 07:25 AM	#72
austinp "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: us Posts: 3,393	I think laser etched stickers would be a good idea So as to avoid fake stickers. Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

25 July 2017, 09:52 AM	#79
Old Geezer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,291	I guess for me it comes down to what is represented and what a buyer receives. If something is presented as "unworn/stickers in place", that should be the case. If I purchased a watch presented as such and it arrived with stickers peeling and some missing or showing scratches that would otherwise been on the watch itself, I would return it. This condition is not "unworn/stickers in place" and I would not pay the premium over a known used watch.

25 July 2017, 10:20 AM	#82
donas Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Wade Location: TN Watch: 116619 Posts: 2,659	From him I'd assume it's like new. Just check him out on the who's who section. I've bought several from him.

25 July 2017, 01:03 PM	#84
Star Ferry Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: down by the river Posts: 4,926	Some people (not referring to OP or any particular person) want to pay gray market prices and also enjoy an AD level of attention... I'm not sure if this is a reasonable expectation. For what it's worth, I ordered an AP from DavidSW -- shipped quickly, and he did thank me for my business.

25 July 2017, 07:22 PM	#86
treblarefils "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: ILLST8 Posts: 209	My complaint was not about stickers it was about scratches on all 4 lugs of my watch from bracelet removal on a watch listed as unworn stickered and assumed new with no defects. The pictures of the watch on the site were not the watch that was sent it was the correct watch yes but not the pictured watch. But it seems we have come to a resolution of sorts. This does not stop me from buying from DSW in the future or recommending to others. I will just ask more questions about the watch instead of just assuming.

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