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AF_Rob · 3 March 2018, 02:24 AM

I was changing the date on my 5 digit ExII to catch it up with the short month, Plus I haven’t worn it for about a week. To change the date, you advance the hour hand around twice independently. It will click from hour to hour. Then, I noticed it was no longer clicking, but merely spinning around the dial. It’s still changes the date, but it is no longer running with the time.

I wonder how expensive this will be?

antbkny · 3 March 2018, 02:25 AM

sorry man, that sucks!

SearChart · 3 March 2018, 02:27 AM

Probably a broken GMT wheel spring, this part is updated during service (if you have the 3186).
I'd recommend full service, but you might be able to find a watchmaker with parts acc who can just take the dial off, fix this problem and you're good to go.

Laszlo · 3 March 2018, 02:40 AM

That stinks, how old is the watch?

Duey · 3 March 2018, 03:30 AM

Sounds like you have the 3186 movement.

drm20 · 3 March 2018, 04:00 AM

Dang! Time for a service!

AF_Rob · 3 March 2018, 05:09 AM

Thanks, gents... Yeah, it's the 3186, which was serviced in 2014. Does this movement have a history of doing this?

HogwldFLTR · 3 March 2018, 05:11 AM

Oh, that sucks!!!

SearChart · 3 March 2018, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AF_Rob

Thanks, gents... Yeah, it's the 3186, which was serviced in 2014. Does this movement have a history of doing this?

Yes.

Was it serviced at a Rolex service center? Because the spring should have been replaced in 2014. I find it odd that if you do have the updated spring it is now broken.

NoCokeNoHope · 3 March 2018, 05:34 AM

Just read this a few days ago about the click spring in 3186

http://blog.watchdoctor.biz/2018/02/...-3185-vs-3186/

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Duey · 3 March 2018, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AF_Rob

Thanks, gents... Yeah, it's the 3186, which was serviced in 2014. Does this movement have a history of doing this?

Yes - All of the early 3186 / 3187 movements could have your exact problem. That includes the 16750 and the 16710 and the 11671X as well. People here don't like to talk about it but it's a problem with the movement. It seems to be jump hour click spring.

Here's some links , and there's a ton more here on TRF.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=358392

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=384696

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=367687

AF_Rob · 3 March 2018, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

Yes.

Was it serviced at a Rolex service center? Because the spring should have been replaced in 2014. I find it odd that if you do have the updated spring it is now broken.

I purchased it from a trusted seller here. Not sure if the spring was replaced. I have no reason to assume one way or the other, to be fair.

I have a good watchmaker in my hometown who offered to take a look.

AF_Rob · 3 March 2018, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duey

Yes - All of the early 3186 / 3187 movements could have your exact problem. That includes the 16750 and the 16710 and the 11671X as well. People here don't like to talk about it but it's a problem with the movement. It seems to be jump hour click spring.

Here's some links , and there's a ton more here on TRF.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=358392

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=384696

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=367687

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoCokeNoHope

Just read this a few days ago about the click spring in 3186

http://blog.watchdoctor.biz/2018/02/...-3185-vs-3186/

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Thanks all! This is why I love TRF. Lots of great knowledge and folks willing to share it!

zimv20ca · 3 March 2018, 08:35 AM

just to clarify, my 1987 3186 is currently @ RSC getting its first service. i should fully expect that:

1. this spring should be replaced, and
2. this will remedy the issue that the early model 3186s were experiencing

is that right?

SearChart · 3 March 2018, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimv20ca

just to clarify, my 1987 3186 is currently @ RSC getting its first service. i should fully expect that:

1. this spring should be replaced, and
2. this will remedy the issue that the early model 3186s were experiencing

is that right?

Yes, that is correct.

zimv20ca · 4 March 2018, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

Yes, that is correct.

thank you. and i don't what kind of Friday brain fart i was experiencing, i have a 2007 Explorer II, not 1987. sheesh.

gtruex · 4 March 2018, 02:27 AM

I think it's a common problem with that watch. I have the 5 digit exp II and the same thing happened to me. It was out of warranty by less than a year. Sent it to Dallas RSC and they fixed it for free:-)

Also, forgot to mention mine is an early 3186 movement

Largoshark · 10 March 2018, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

Yes.

Was it serviced at a Rolex service center? Because the spring should have been replaced in 2014. I find it odd that if you do have the updated spring it is now broken.

Just curious how you know this. I've tried to do as much research on this issues as possible, but have found nothing confirming that this part has been updated/improved. I absolutely believe you, but it would be great to know more details, like how was it improved. Did they simply make it thicker? Thanks!

SearChart · 10 March 2018, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Largoshark

Just curious how you know this. I've tried to do as much research on this issues as possible, but have found nothing confirming that this part has been updated/improved. I absolutely believe you, but it would be great to know more details, like how was it improved. Did they simply make it thicker? Thanks!

The shape is different, it is a bit larger so it won't break as easily.
I know this because I'm a watchmaker intern at a Rolex service center.

Maximus84 · 10 March 2018, 05:29 PM

So, when the hour (and minute) hand 'wobbles' when I'm quicksetting the hour on my 3185 16570 Exp.II is actually a good thing!?

henrylee · 10 March 2018, 05:47 PM

Time for a service!~

Largoshark · 12 March 2018, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

The shape is different, it is a bit larger so it won't break as easily.
I know this because I'm a watchmaker intern at a Rolex service center.

Great to know, thanks. And might I add, what a cool job!

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douglasf13 · 12 March 2018, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duey

Yes - All of the early 3186 / 3187 movements could have your exact problem. That includes the 16750 and the 16710 and the 11671X as well. People here don't like to talk about it but it's a problem with the movement. It seems to be jump hour click spring.

Here's some links , and there's a ton more here on TRF.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=358392

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=384696

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=367687

I don't believe that it's been fixed, as we've also seen it happen in 3187 movements. I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually repeats in 3186 watches, over time.

SearChart · 12 March 2018, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglasf13

I don't believe that it's been fixed, as we've also seen it happen in 3187 movements. I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually repeats in 3186 watches, over time.

The updated spring is not invincible, it can still break. But this happens a LOT less than with the original spring it came out with.
The 3187 had the larger, updated spring from the beginning on.

MesaSean · 12 March 2018, 04:00 PM

Oh man....sorry to hear. Hope it's not too pricey to get repaired.

douglasf13 · 12 March 2018, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

The updated spring is not invincible, it can still break. But this happens a LOT less than with the original spring it came out with.
The 3187 had the larger, updated spring from the beginning on.

Are we totally sure about that? I now it's tough with anecdotal evidence around there, but it seems like we've seen a number of 3187 breaks, too.

vipereaper30 · 12 March 2018, 04:48 PM

Bummer hope it's not gone for too long getting fixed.

AF_Rob · 30 March 2018, 12:58 AM

Thanks again, everyone! Friends of mine are going to drop it off to the A.D. at home for me. I’ll let you know the damage.

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colemanitis · 30 March 2018, 01:38 AM

Sorry to read this...

. Hope you get it fixed soon enough and doesn't cost too much.

Valhala · 30 March 2018, 01:52 AM

That really sucks..... rsc time

3 March 2018, 02:24 AM	#1
AF_Rob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Virginia Watch: Sub/Polar/OP/BB Posts: 4,674	Broke My Explorer II :( I was changing the date on my 5 digit ExII to catch it up with the short month, Plus I haven’t worn it for about a week. To change the date, you advance the hour hand around twice independently. It will click from hour to hour. Then, I noticed it was no longer clicking, but merely spinning around the dial. It’s still changes the date, but it is no longer running with the time. I wonder how expensive this will be?

3 March 2018, 02:40 AM	#4
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	That stinks, how old is the watch? __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

3 March 2018, 05:11 AM	#8
HogwldFLTR 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: 42.48.45N70.48.48 Watch: Too many to list! Posts: 33,697	Oh, that sucks!!! __________________ Troglodyte in residence! https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=808599

4 March 2018, 02:27 AM	#17
gtruex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: G Location: Indiana Watch: Explorer ii 16570 Posts: 72	I think it's a common problem with that watch. I have the 5 digit exp II and the same thing happened to me. It was out of warranty by less than a year. Sent it to Dallas RSC and they fixed it for free:-) Also, forgot to mention mine is an early 3186 movement Last edited by gtruex; 4 March 2018 at 02:28 AM.. Reason: update info

10 March 2018, 05:47 PM	#21
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,223	Time for a service!~ __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

3 March 2018, 02:25 AM	#2
antbkny "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Anthony Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Dblue Posts: 6,723	sorry man, that sucks!

3 March 2018, 03:30 AM	#5
Duey 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Duey Location: Maui Watch: Too Many To List Posts: 3,598	Sounds like you have the 3186 movement.

3 March 2018, 04:00 AM	#6
drm20 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Dave Location: Scottsdale, AZ Watch: Just one more Posts: 1,062	Dang! Time for a service!

3 March 2018, 05:09 AM	#7
AF_Rob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Virginia Watch: Sub/Polar/OP/BB Posts: 4,674	Thanks, gents... Yeah, it's the 3186, which was serviced in 2014. Does this movement have a history of doing this?

3 March 2018, 05:34 AM	#10
NoCokeNoHope "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Boston Watch: Rolex Deepsea Posts: 122	Just read this a few days ago about the click spring in 3186 http://blog.watchdoctor.biz/2018/02/...-3185-vs-3186/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 March 2018, 08:35 AM	#14
zimv20ca "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Steve Location: Toronto Watch: Polar Explorer II Posts: 65	just to clarify, my 1987 3186 is currently @ RSC getting its first service. i should fully expect that: 1. this spring should be replaced, and 2. this will remedy the issue that the early model 3186s were experiencing is that right?

10 March 2018, 05:29 PM	#20
Maximus84 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Las Vegas Watch: Exp. II 16570 Posts: 127	So, when the hour (and minute) hand 'wobbles' when I'm quicksetting the hour on my 3185 16570 Exp.II is actually a good thing!?

12 March 2018, 04:00 PM	#25
MesaSean "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: NYC Watch: 126711CHNR Posts: 572	Oh man....sorry to hear. Hope it's not too pricey to get repaired.

12 March 2018, 04:48 PM	#27
vipereaper30 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: BMF Location: Tennessee USA Watch: FPJ UTC Posts: 2,263	Bummer hope it's not gone for too long getting fixed.

30 March 2018, 12:58 AM	#28
AF_Rob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Rob Location: Virginia Watch: Sub/Polar/OP/BB Posts: 4,674	Thanks again, everyone! Friends of mine are going to drop it off to the A.D. at home for me. I’ll let you know the damage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 March 2018, 01:38 AM	#29
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	Sorry to read this... . Hope you get it fixed soon enough and doesn't cost too much. __________________ Member #471

30 March 2018, 01:52 AM	#30
Valhala Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 419	That really sucks..... rsc time

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