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Swiss Mad! · 21 November 2018, 04:30 PM

Ok, so I see a lot of resellers on eBay & Chrono24 etc advertising their watches as only having a photocopy of the original warranty card as the AD is keeping it for up to 12 months..

I thought the whole idea of the AD keeping the card was to prevent people from instantly flipping for profit?

So then, for arguments sake, what will happen if you were to purchase a watch from a reseller with only a photocopy of the original card, then in 12 months how will the reseller be able to get that card off the AD without being able to prove they still own the watch as it will have been sold to you, and you may not even be in the same country as each other so there would be no chance of meeting up to show the AD the watch and get the card that way?

Has anyone been through such an experience yet to try and retrieve a warranty card from an AD without the actual watch to prove you still own it if you've sold it on or the other way round and you are the new owner trying to get possession of the card?

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ZOOK · 21 November 2018, 04:47 PM

Oh I’m sure the seller will just take a photocopy of the watch to the AD to get his/her warrranty card.

Are people really buying these watches with a promise that the warranty card will be delivered later?

Swiss Mad! · 21 November 2018, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOOK

Oh I’m sure the seller will just take a photocopy of the watch to the AD to get his/her warrranty card.

Are people really buying these watches with a promise that the warranty card will be delivered later?

Lol..

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FinWatch · 21 November 2018, 04:52 PM

I can’t believe that this is actually happening....
Sorry for not answering to you, because I don’t have any experiences on that.
What Rolex is doing here is totally crazy!!!
If one buys a product, the product is property of the buyer. Warranty card is part of that property when we are talking watches. Period.
If I am about to buy my next Rolex and AD is saying something about keeping the warranty card, I will leave the deal. World is full of watches.
Thankfully there are other brands who happen to respect customers.

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prozac51 · 21 November 2018, 04:59 PM

I do support this practice by Rolex. The warranty is electronic anyway and the temporary lack of warranty card shouldn't get in the way of enjoying your watch. The new cars I buy these days don't even come with a service booklet!

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harvey · 21 November 2018, 05:10 PM

I picked up my JC2 at the weekend. The AD kept the warranty card. They asked me if I wanted a photocopy and I declined. No point as I'm never going to sell the watch. It's not an issue for genuine buyers.

It appears people want to make things bigger than they are. It's just a watch.

We have had stickergate, handtaggate , coffinboxgate and now warrantyygate.

Sorry for going off at a tangent.

Old Expat Beast · 21 November 2018, 05:13 PM

The withholding of the warranty card by the AD implies a lack of trust in the customer, so I wouldn't buy under those circumstances. Nor would I buy from a seller who only had a photocopy of the card at time of purchase.

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jonathan17 · 21 November 2018, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOOK

Oh I’m sure the seller will just take a photocopy of the watch to the AD to get his/her warrranty card.

Are people really buying these watches with a promise that the warranty card will be delivered later?

Thats how it is for “Hot” rolex models sold in the UK so for most of us theres nothing we can do. Mine is on hold by the Aurum group until Sept 2019.(not liking it) but its better than paying above retail to resellers at present.

Seibei · 21 November 2018, 06:25 PM

A deal is a deal. If you agree to buy the watch with caveats attached, then you have agreed to it. If you don't like the caveats, then do not go through with the deal.

Furthermore, if you agree to buy a watch and you only get a photocopy of the warranty card, then in my book your are a fool and you are setting yourself up for stress, disappointment and loss. What could happen?

1. You may never be able to contact the seller and retrieve the warranty card.

2. The dealer may insist that the seller show the watch to get the warranty card back. What is the seller going to show him? A photocopy of the watch?

Ergo, there is a reasonable chance that you will never get that card and you will never have a full set to go with your watch. Your watch will always be suspect for this reason.

Ideally buy from an AD and get the full set. If that is not possible, buy from a trusted seller and again, insist on the full set upon purchase.

Harry-57 · 21 November 2018, 06:54 PM

I was looking at Chrono24 last night and came across this. The dealer said they would undertake to send the card when Rolex sent it to them, a year after original purchase.

Given that the watch is under warranty for 5 years no matter who currently owns it, I think it's more a hygiene factor for some buyers than a disincentive across the board.

My HiFi amps and streamer and sold with a 5 year warranty. When sold on or part exchanged by the original buyer, the warranty resets to 2 years. If the first owner keeps their equipment for longer than 2 years there is no manufacturer warranty to pass on.

cuffs · 21 November 2018, 07:04 PM

the reasons and how this would deter flippers is beyond me

A reseller can simply pass on any proof required to collect the card down the road later.

Devildog · 21 November 2018, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Ok, so I see a lot of resellers on eBay & Chrono24 etc advertising their watches as only having a photocopy of the original warranty card as the AD is keeping it for up to 12 months..

I thought the whole idea of the AD keeping the card was to prevent people from instantly flipping for profit?

So then, for arguments sake, what will happen if you were to purchase a watch from a reseller with only a photocopy of the original card, then in 12 months how will the reseller be able to get that card off the AD without being able to prove they still own the watch as it will have been sold to you, and you may not even be in the same country as each other so there would be no chance of meeting up to show the AD the watch and get the card that way?

Has anyone been through such an experience yet to try and retrieve a warranty card from an AD without the actual watch to prove you still own it if you've sold it on or the other way round and you are the new owner trying to get possession of the card?

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Hi Max

I've bought from the grey market before - full set.

Would I buy with just a photocopy of the card? No.

Without the card, technically a RSC could refuse warranty work. Whether they would, is another matter altogether and you could just say you'd lost the card, as the date of warranty activation should be known to Rolex

Time will tell

daemonix · 21 November 2018, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Devildog

Hi Max

I've bought from the grey market before - full set.

Would I buy with just a photocopy of the card? No.

Without the card, technically a RSC could refuse warranty work. Whether they would, is another matter altogether and you could just say you'd lost the card, as the date of warranty activation should be known to Rolex

Time will tell

Do they really check? (I mean did anyone got refused for not having the card?)

RSC London asked me if I had the card and I said not with me, I had it at home, and I told her that you probably know the details as warranties are activated online nowadays (ipad app and rfid scanner?), right?!.

She said yes, OK and nothing else.

PS: in any case I had a photo of the watch/receipt and all cards etc for my insurance but I didnt need it.

Token74 · 21 November 2018, 08:22 PM

I was under the impression that the AD will either sort the approval of the repair with Rolex on your behalf, or will provide you with the warranty card if absolutely required.

I believe this process is simply one of the ways to enable the AD to track when a watch is moved on so that they can make a call about selling in-demand watches to customers in the future.

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Jonesy2099 · 21 November 2018, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinWatch

I can’t believe that this is actually happening....
Sorry for not answering to you, because I don’t have any experiences on that.
What Rolex is doing here is totally crazy!!!
If one buys a product, the product is property of the buyer. Warranty card is part of that property when we are talking watches. Period.
If I am about to buy my next Rolex and AD is saying something about keeping the warranty card, I will leave the deal. World is full of watches.
Thankfully there are other brands who happen to respect customers.

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I fully support Rolex's practice. The warranty card is there for you to have assurance that the watch will be fixed if it malfunctions. What difference does it make if you have it or you don't? Maybe Rolex should just scrap the physical warranty card as it would have no impact on sales.

The reasoning is to deter flippers so that actual watch enthusiasts can enjoy the watches rather than people hoping to make some profit. This to me is respecting the customer.

I have 5 warranty cards for watches that I've owned. I can tell you I don't even think I've looked at these cards - I really don't see the issue here.

As a final point, it looks like the lack of a warranty card hasn't deterred some people from selling a watch on. As a point of principle I wouldn't buy a watch that advertised the fact that the warranty card was held by the AD.

FinWatch · 21 November 2018, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonesy2099

I fully support Rolex's practice. The warranty card is there for you to have assurance that the watch will be fixed if it malfunctions. What difference does it make if you have it or you don't? Maybe Rolex should just scrap the physical warranty card as it would have no impact on sales.

The reasoning is to deter flippers so that actual watch enthusiasts can enjoy the watches rather than people hoping to make some profit. This to me is respecting the customer.

I have 5 warranty cards for watches that I've owned. I can tell you I don't even think I've looked at these cards - I really don't see the issue here.

As a final point, it looks like the lack of a warranty card hasn't deterred some people from selling a watch on. As a point of principle I wouldn't buy a watch that advertised the fact that the warranty card was held by the AD.

This point is reasonable:
Maby Rolex should just scrap the physical warranty card.
Otherwise I disagree with you:
It is not world class customer service to hold the warranty card for 12 months. Basic principle in sales overall is:
If you pay for something, after the transaction, it is yours. If the buyer wants to sell the product, he has the right to do it.
And as we can all see:
By holding the warranty card, it’s not helping at all: still people are flipping and grey dealers are making money by selling the watches without warranty cards.
By holding the card, Rolex is leaving a bad taste from the whole transaction:
You are treated like a criminal; Rolex is trying to control what you should be doing with your property.
Childish and silly.

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Swiss Mad! · 21 November 2018, 09:13 PM

I wonder if it is actually a directive from Rolex to the AD's or just something the AD's have taken up amongst themselves to try & combat the profiteers?

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WatchLurv · 21 November 2018, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Ok, so I see a lot of resellers on eBay & Chrono24 etc advertising their watches as only having a photocopy of the original warranty card as the AD is keeping it for up to 12 months..

I thought the whole idea of the AD keeping the card was to prevent people from instantly flipping for profit?

So then, for arguments sake, what will happen if you were to purchase a watch from a reseller with only a photocopy of the original card, then in 12 months how will the reseller be able to get that card off the AD without being able to prove they still own the watch as it will have been sold to you, and you may not even be in the same country as each other so there would be no chance of meeting up to show the AD the watch and get the card that way?

Has anyone been through such an experience yet to try and retrieve a warranty card from an AD without the actual watch to prove you still own it if you've sold it on or the other way round and you are the new owner trying to get possession of the card?

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This is why the AD isn't doing anyone a favour. There's always a way to curb their idiotic ways of trying to prevent greys from reselling watches.

What will happen:

-Grey will claim back the warranty card and it is sent to them (Fedex, UPS, DHL, with the risk of that getting lost of course)
-Grey will then have the card and will send it to you (again, with the risk of that getting lost) or you can come pick it up.

You don't need to show the watch to the AD that it is still in your possession. AD will send it to you regardless. Too much logistics in asking the reseller to snap pic of the watch with a newspaper next to it (how stupid - like you've committed a crime

).

Remember that Rolex only produces 1 watch, 1 card. If that card gets lost you have no recourse of blaming the AD because they shipped it to you. I don't see many ADs undertaking this logistical nightmare and responsibility of a pissed off customer. Good luck to Aurum Holdings (the watch group that consist of idiots and guideline monkeys) for trying to win brownie points with Rolex. I sincerely hope they lose 100 warranty cards in the first year of doing this.

PS. Jomashop holds the warranty card for you.
PPS. RSC can reject repair, replacement or anything to do with the watch without the plastic card. Really is that simple that the card is essential for a repair. Not sure how the above replies panned out, but in Asia you have to have the watch with the card with you in order to get it serviced. Good luck showing a receipt or a photocopy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The withholding of the warranty card by the AD implies a lack of trust in the customer, so I wouldn't buy under those circumstances. Nor would I buy from a seller who only had a photocopy of the card at time of purchase.

A practice only performed by Aurum (as stated above) in the UK. No other ADs have undertaken this responsibility and logistical nightmare. Imagine you sell 3000-5000 SS pieces a year...That's 3000-5000 Fedex's that you need to pack and send to the rightful owner and hope they all reach. What's the guarantee of that? 0.

If I was a certified, long-lasting grey dealer (there are quite a few established ones on Chrono24, e.g. Avi&Co)...Sure! Keep my card. Send it to me in 6-12 months and I'll make sure to send it to my end customer in which I have the details on. Really not that hard for greys to circumvent their ways of preventing a flip.

peterpl · 21 November 2018, 09:27 PM

Maybe one of the ways Rolex is trying to curb all these flippers and corrupt ADs selling via the backdoor directly to grays?

Not sure if this is a viable solution or not but I dont think it will work.

What are the ways that would help Rolex control this problem? I think they have lost control of a lot of their ADs. There are literally 1000s around the world and a lot of shonky dealings happening to make extra money.

WatchLurv · 21 November 2018, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpl

Maybe one of the ways Rolex is trying to curb all these flippers and corrupt ADs selling via the backdoor directly to grays?

Not sure if this is a viable solution or not but I dont think it will work.

What are the ways that would help Rolex control this problem? I think they have lost control of a lot of their ADs. There are literally 1000s around the world and a lot of shonky dealings happening to make extra money.

None that they have come up with so far (peeling stickers, putting name/XXXX on card, withholding warranty card).

The market adjusts and the greys are still winning. Only losers in this: End customer.

AK797 · 21 November 2018, 09:33 PM

RSC and the ADs should be instructed by Rolex to only do work on the warranty or give them the card after 1 year if the watch and photocopy are presented by the original buyer only, not by the flipped to buyer.

WatchLurv · 21 November 2018, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

RSC and the ADs should be instructed by Rolex to only do work on the warranty or give them the card after 1 year if the watch and photocopy are presented by the original buyer only, not by the flipped to buyer.

So if the above was true then, what if:

1. The person is dead
or
2. Sold it on because their finances cant hold up

AK797 · 21 November 2018, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

So if the above was true then, what if:

1. The person is dead
or
2. Sold it on because their finances cant hold up

Then the warranty is not valid and the card unobtainable. For a death an exception might be made with proof if Rolex care, for nothing in life is certain but death and flippers.

WatchLurv · 21 November 2018, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

Then the warranty is not valid and the card unobtainable. For a death an exception might be made with proof if Rolex care.

So a 5 year warranty just goes up in the air. Good luck to Rolex if they implement this

AK797 · 21 November 2018, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WatchLurv

So a 5 year warranty just goes up in the air. Good luck to Rolex if they implement this

Of course, or what is the point of the deterrent. Rolex only make money from the initial sale, they don't care if after that the watch is sold on or not to help the buyer out. They only want genuine buyers who will live through the year and who can easily afford the watch, all others are just flippers to Rolex now.

WatchLurv · 21 November 2018, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

Of course, or what is the point of the deterrent. Rolex only make money from the initial sale, they don't care if after that the watch is sold on or not. They only want genuine buyers who will live through the year and who can easily afford the watch, all others are just flippers to Rolex now.

Yep, but your suggestion is going back 2 steps, not forward. Why did Rolex extend their warranty to 5 years when they could have kept it at 2 or cut it down to 1 (or 1 day? or no warranty at all?)?

brandrea · 21 November 2018, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK797

nothing in life is certain but death and flippers.

beshannon · 21 November 2018, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOOK

Oh I’m sure the seller will just take a photocopy of the watch to the AD to get his/her warrranty card.

Are people really buying these watches with a promise that the warranty card will be delivered later?

Exactly.

I would never buy a product that enforced these conditions.

andyxxx · 21 November 2018, 09:53 PM

I can’t see the problem at all – unless you purchase with the view to selling the watch on.

I have just managed to purchase a Daytona from my AD and after the deal was done and money paid, he said:
“ I forgot to tell you we now have to hold the warranty car, but as I forgot to tell you, we will let you have it.”
I replied
“No, that’s fine – you keep it as I have no intention of selling the watch, I will get it next year.”

I wish Rolex would make warranty non transferable.

21 November 2018, 04:30 PM	#1
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	Withheld Warranty Card Question.. Ok, so I see a lot of resellers on eBay & Chrono24 etc advertising their watches as only having a photocopy of the original warranty card as the AD is keeping it for up to 12 months.. I thought the whole idea of the AD keeping the card was to prevent people from instantly flipping for profit? So then, for arguments sake, what will happen if you were to purchase a watch from a reseller with only a photocopy of the original card, then in 12 months how will the reseller be able to get that card off the AD without being able to prove they still own the watch as it will have been sold to you, and you may not even be in the same country as each other so there would be no chance of meeting up to show the AD the watch and get the card that way? Has anyone been through such an experience yet to try and retrieve a warranty card from an AD without the actual watch to prove you still own it if you've sold it on or the other way round and you are the new owner trying to get possession of the card? Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: max.parkin

21 November 2018, 05:13 PM	#7
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,821	The withholding of the warranty card by the AD implies a lack of trust in the customer, so I wouldn't buy under those circumstances. Nor would I buy from a seller who only had a photocopy of the card at time of purchase. __________________ _______________________

21 November 2018, 08:22 PM	#15
Token74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Vince Location: England Watch: Too many! Posts: 5,744	I was under the impression that the AD will either sort the approval of the repair with Rolex on your behalf, or will provide you with the warranty card if absolutely required. I believe this process is simply one of the ways to enable the AD to track when a watch is moved on so that they can make a call about selling in-demand watches to customers in the future. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Time is limited, make every second count. Patek Philippe Nautilus 5990 - AP Royal Oak 15300 - AP Royal Oak 15450 Blue - AP Royal Oak 15450 Silver - AP Royal Oak Offshore 26480 - Royal Oak Offshore 15710 - Rolex Sea Dweller 116600 - Rolex Daytona 116519 - Rolex GMT 126710 BLRO - Omega Speedmaster Reduced - JLC Reverso GMT Moonphase - TAG Microtimer - Dent Pocket Watch - JLC Atmos Phases de lune

21 November 2018, 09:13 PM	#18
Swiss Mad! "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Max Location: UK Watch: Various Posts: 3,727	I wonder if it is actually a directive from Rolex to the AD's or just something the AD's have taken up amongst themselves to try & combat the profiteers? Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk __________________ instagram: max.parkin

21 November 2018, 04:47 PM	#2
ZOOK 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Real Name: Dave Location: PDX Posts: 9,949	Oh I’m sure the seller will just take a photocopy of the watch to the AD to get his/her warrranty card. Are people really buying these watches with a promise that the warranty card will be delivered later?

21 November 2018, 04:52 PM	#4
FinWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Finland Posts: 2,777	I can’t believe that this is actually happening.... Sorry for not answering to you, because I don’t have any experiences on that. What Rolex is doing here is totally crazy!!! If one buys a product, the product is property of the buyer. Warranty card is part of that property when we are talking watches. Period. If I am about to buy my next Rolex and AD is saying something about keeping the warranty card, I will leave the deal. World is full of watches. Thankfully there are other brands who happen to respect customers. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 November 2018, 04:59 PM	#5
prozac51 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Singapore Posts: 131	I do support this practice by Rolex. The warranty is electronic anyway and the temporary lack of warranty card shouldn't get in the way of enjoying your watch. The new cars I buy these days don't even come with a service booklet! Sent from my HTC_2Q4D100 using Tapatalk

21 November 2018, 05:10 PM	#6
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,435	I picked up my JC2 at the weekend. The AD kept the warranty card. They asked me if I wanted a photocopy and I declined. No point as I'm never going to sell the watch. It's not an issue for genuine buyers. It appears people want to make things bigger than they are. It's just a watch. We have had stickergate, handtaggate , coffinboxgate and now warrantyygate. Sorry for going off at a tangent.

21 November 2018, 05:20 PM	#8
Nocomment "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: USA Watch: 116600 Posts: 111	Wow*!!!!!! Speechless with the brand new sd4k!!! Major congrats

21 November 2018, 06:25 PM	#10
Seibei Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: New Zealand Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,630	A deal is a deal. If you agree to buy the watch with caveats attached, then you have agreed to it. If you don't like the caveats, then do not go through with the deal. Furthermore, if you agree to buy a watch and you only get a photocopy of the warranty card, then in my book your are a fool and you are setting yourself up for stress, disappointment and loss. What could happen? 1. You may never be able to contact the seller and retrieve the warranty card. 2. The dealer may insist that the seller show the watch to get the warranty card back. What is the seller going to show him? A photocopy of the watch? Ergo, there is a reasonable chance that you will never get that card and you will never have a full set to go with your watch. Your watch will always be suspect for this reason. Ideally buy from an AD and get the full set. If that is not possible, buy from a trusted seller and again, insist on the full set upon purchase.

21 November 2018, 06:54 PM	#11
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 10,669	I was looking at Chrono24 last night and came across this. The dealer said they would undertake to send the card when Rolex sent it to them, a year after original purchase. Given that the watch is under warranty for 5 years no matter who currently owns it, I think it's more a hygiene factor for some buyers than a disincentive across the board. My HiFi amps and streamer and sold with a 5 year warranty. When sold on or part exchanged by the original buyer, the warranty resets to 2 years. If the first owner keeps their equipment for longer than 2 years there is no manufacturer warranty to pass on.

21 November 2018, 07:04 PM	#12
cuffs "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: SG Posts: 45	the reasons and how this would deter flippers is beyond me A reseller can simply pass on any proof required to collect the card down the road later.

21 November 2018, 09:27 PM	#20
peterpl Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: . Posts: 6,692	Maybe one of the ways Rolex is trying to curb all these flippers and corrupt ADs selling via the backdoor directly to grays? Not sure if this is a viable solution or not but I dont think it will work. What are the ways that would help Rolex control this problem? I think they have lost control of a lot of their ADs. There are literally 1000s around the world and a lot of shonky dealings happening to make extra money.

21 November 2018, 09:33 PM	#22
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	RSC and the ADs should be instructed by Rolex to only do work on the warranty or give them the card after 1 year if the watch and photocopy are presented by the original buyer only, not by the flipped to buyer.

21 November 2018, 09:53 PM	#30
andyxxx "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Real Name: Andy Location: England Watch: with confusion Posts: 626	I can’t see the problem at all – unless you purchase with the view to selling the watch on. I have just managed to purchase a Daytona from my AD and after the deal was done and money paid, he said: “ I forgot to tell you we now have to hold the warranty car, but as I forgot to tell you, we will let you have it.” I replied “No, that’s fine – you keep it as I have no intention of selling the watch, I will get it next year.” I wish Rolex would make warranty non transferable.

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