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bob78h · 12 April 2019, 12:53 PM

Close to pulling the trigger on this 1680. 5.7 million serial, seller says it was serviced and case refinished at LAWW. Just wanted to check with you guys and make sure everything looks kosher!

BigBlue1 · 12 April 2019, 01:38 PM

Not for nothing, but if it was just serviced by LAWW he or she should have an invoice.

Phllox · 12 April 2019, 05:07 PM

There are service parts : dial (so-called mk4), insert, date disk, and probably the crown

bob78h · 13 April 2019, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phllox

There are service parts : dial (so-called mk4), insert, date disk, and probably the crown

How do you know it’s a service dial? Because the T<25 is touching the minute marker?

Is it normal for service dials to patina like this?

How does this affect the value of the watch? I know ones with luminova service dials are worth significantly less. Does an aged tritium service dial and replaced date disc also affect the value?

I don’t mind service parts, just don’t want to over pay for them :)

Thanks!

sensui · 13 April 2019, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob78h

How do you know it’s a service dial? Because the T<25 is touching the minute marker?

Is it normal for service dials to patina like this?

How does this affect the value of the watch? I know ones with luminova service dials are worth significantly less. Does an aged tritium service dial and replaced date disc also affect the value?

I don’t mind service parts, just don’t want to over pay for them :)

Thanks!

See this thread:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=513941

And look at the service dial type C.

Phllox · 13 April 2019, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob78h

How do you know it’s a service dial? Because the T<25 is touching the minute marker?

Is it normal for service dials to patina like this?

How does this affect the value of the watch? I know ones with luminova service dials are worth significantly less. Does an aged tritium service dial and replaced date disc also affect the value?

I don’t mind service parts, just don’t want to over pay for them :)

Thanks!

Yeah as written above it is a service dial but still can be a tritium one. So not surprisingly, such dials can "age" & get a patina. Still, it is a nice looking watch. I guess (my own personal opinion) it should be valuated by deducting around $3,000 to $3,500 from what you would pay for a 100% original ...

patrolmi · 13 April 2019, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sensui

See this thread:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=513941

And look at the service dial type C.

Are those really open 6's ? To me they look closed, although maybe a better pic would tell. Very subtle-- this has a patina more like an original dial.

EDIT NVM I see it now. They are fat sixes as much as "open" and the MK1 sixes are longer and skinnier. sort of.

stevedssd · 13 April 2019, 05:51 PM

^ plus look at the Superlative Chronometer Official Certified lines the spacing between the lines is much narrower on the service dial (as on OP's watch) than the Mk11 and there are also noticeable differences between letter spacing. The Service dial also has T<25 touching the minute markers whereas a Mk11 has a gap.

bob78h · 14 April 2019, 05:55 AM

Thanks for all the info guys. The dial differences are really subtle! I noticed the T<25 touching the markers but the font differences are much harder for me to see. Always a great wealth of info on here!

Unfortunately I may have to pass on this one. I asked the seller for a picture of the LAWW service invoice to verify what has been done and for whatever reason they are refusing to provide it before purchase...

bob78h · 15 April 2019, 07:40 AM

How about this one? Looks like a mark 2 dial.

I think the case may have had a light polish but still looks thick. Is that crystal a service replacement (with the larger bevel)?

1665fan · 15 April 2019, 07:55 AM

Service insert on that one for sure

Lgear080 · 15 April 2019, 09:59 AM

It’s just so-so ... looks like a service replacement crystal. If the watch is that worn the acrylic would have wear too. The insert and cuff polish don’t do it for me.

XavierM · 1 June 2019, 01:16 AM

Hi there,

Far far far from being an expert but this is what I see:
Dial looks like a Mk2 but I think the coronet shape is a bit strange. Expert needed there :)
Insert looks like a service one (very thin numbers) in very poor condition
Datewheel I can't tell
702 crown which is probably period correct (depending on the serial number)
Lugs look Thick enough, far from a perfect example but still ok considering the age of this old lady.
Do you have the Serial Number ?

Regards,

12 April 2019, 12:53 PM	#1
bob78h Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA Posts: 318	Does this 1680 look ok? Close to pulling the trigger on this 1680. 5.7 million serial, seller says it was serviced and case refinished at LAWW. Just wanted to check with you guys and make sure everything looks kosher! Attached Images

12 April 2019, 01:38 PM	#2
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12 April 2019, 05:07 PM	#3
Phllox "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Paris Posts: 73	There are service parts : dial (so-called mk4), insert, date disk, and probably the crown __________________ Submariner 1680 Tiffany / Submariner 14060 / GMT Master II 16710 / GMT Master II 116710 BLNR /// PAM00337 /// Omega DeVille

15 April 2019, 07:40 AM	#10
bob78h Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA Posts: 318	How about this one? Looks like a mark 2 dial. I think the case may have had a light polish but still looks thick. Is that crystal a service replacement (with the larger bevel)? Attached Images

13 April 2019, 05:51 PM	#8
stevedssd "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 2,205	^ plus look at the Superlative Chronometer Official Certified lines the spacing between the lines is much narrower on the service dial (as on OP's watch) than the Mk11 and there are also noticeable differences between letter spacing. The Service dial also has T<25 touching the minute markers whereas a Mk11 has a gap.

14 April 2019, 05:55 AM	#9
bob78h Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: USA Posts: 318	Thanks for all the info guys. The dial differences are really subtle! I noticed the T<25 touching the markers but the font differences are much harder for me to see. Always a great wealth of info on here! Unfortunately I may have to pass on this one. I asked the seller for a picture of the LAWW service invoice to verify what has been done and for whatever reason they are refusing to provide it before purchase...

15 April 2019, 07:55 AM	#11
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	Service insert on that one for sure

15 April 2019, 09:59 AM	#12
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	It’s just so-so ... looks like a service replacement crystal. If the watch is that worn the acrylic would have wear too. The insert and cuff polish don’t do it for me.

1 June 2019, 01:16 AM	#13
XavierM "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Paris, France Posts: 389	Hi there, Far far far from being an expert but this is what I see: Dial looks like a Mk2 but I think the coronet shape is a bit strange. Expert needed there :) Insert looks like a service one (very thin numbers) in very poor condition Datewheel I can't tell 702 crown which is probably period correct (depending on the serial number) Lugs look Thick enough, far from a perfect example but still ok considering the age of this old lady. Do you have the Serial Number ? Regards,

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