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ASH · 6 February 2009, 11:47 AM

I told my AD whom I have a good relationship wiith that I was interested in a 233. So yesterday It came in and he called. Now here is the dilemma, he won't give any discount, however they will alow me to buy it on my no interest house account.

mfer · 6 February 2009, 11:56 AM

Won't budge huh? Well, you'll save about 33% by buying used. The 233 doesn't hold its value as well compared to other Pams. That 33% is another Rolex or base Pam. I have a used 111 and it looks great. Wouldn't think twice about buying a used 233.

ASH · 6 February 2009, 12:15 PM

Hey thanks mfer. Do you think the 233 is worth it? I am very happy with my 111 and I just change the strap when I feel like wearing something new. I must be honest I am reluctant to buy used.

housemad · 6 February 2009, 03:04 PM

Pam 233 is a in house mouvement p.2002 caliber witch usualy keep a good value...not right now... but eventually it will. The market price is about 12k. for new but its hard to find a used one...and if you do find one in a jewellery they will sell it for about 10k.
Personnaly I prefere the 233 than the 111...no offense!

Spencer · 6 February 2009, 04:37 PM

I disagree, the 233's seem to hold their value as well as any mass produced PAM's.

I was offered 15% off of a 233 from an AD I've only bought from one before.

Spencer · 6 February 2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ASH

Hey thanks mfer. Do you think the 233 is worth it? I am very happy with my 111 and I just change the strap when I feel like wearing something new. I must be honest I am reluctant to buy used.

IMO the 233 is one of the nicest PAM's out there. GO FOR IT

GBJIV · 6 February 2009, 04:38 PM

I love the 233 and can't wait to get one!

Trurolexer · 6 February 2009, 08:28 PM

go for it!!!

ASH · 7 February 2009, 02:27 AM

I had a chance at a 233 last August but I passed to get the DSSD and I bought a 111 instead. Now I still want the 233, however in the state of the economy I would like a discount. The positive to this situation is I can put it on my house account with no interest for 6 months.

mfer · 7 February 2009, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASH

I had a chance at a 233 last August but I passed to get the DSSD and I bought a 111 instead. Now I still want the 233, however in the state of the economy I would like a discount. The positive to this situation is I can put it on my house account with no interest for 6 months.

I don't know. I'd like a discount, but new isn't everything to me anymore. Used to be.

argee1977 · 7 February 2009, 03:24 AM

I love the 233 as well, i'm swapping my 140 for one next week, if you take the credit option then you'll have that payment coming out for a while, if you buy secondhand off Paneristi.com you'll get one for under 10k, the option is yours.

jgk200 · 7 February 2009, 04:18 AM

I'd like a 233 as well... the AD I deal with wouldn't move a penny.... The ones I've seen used are still asking anywhere between 11,500 or 12,500.... I've seen BNIB but, are I's or J's... 14,700..... not sure if that matters but, might as well spend the 14700 for a K at my AD & know what I'm getting no? Any advice on buying used? what to look for??

mfer · 7 February 2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jgk200

I'd like a 233 as well... the AD I deal with wouldn't move a penny.... The ones I've seen used are still asking anywhere between 11,500 or 12,500.... I've seen BNIB but, are I's or J's... 14,700..... not sure if that matters but, might as well spend the 14700 for a K at my AD & know what I'm getting no? Any advice on buying used? what to look for??

Buy the seller, not the watch. I bought my used 111G off of paneristi.com. The guy turned out to work for a jeweler, I called the jeweler and asked for him and he answered. He also had two huge references - Rob Montana and Max. He was very open to communication, did a pic request for me to make sure images were not borrowed, etc. Communicate, EXACTLY how the deal was to go down and had it all documented in email.

So, I verified where he worked.
He had two stellar references.
Did a wire transfer.
Communicated exactly how the deal would go.
Also, I will only deal in US. No foreign. Too many things can go wrong.

Also, there are major grey dealers that sell all the time. One of them is in STL by the name of Bruce. He has a 233 for sale as we speak...

http://www.watches24seven.com/galler...g2_itemId=3169

boa2 · 7 February 2009, 05:47 AM

Plenty of pre-owned 233s around for $9500-10500 from reputable sellers, BNIB for not much more. In this economy, an AD who won't discount has his head in the sand. Just my two cents.

jgk200 · 7 February 2009, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfer

Buy the seller, not the watch. I bought my used 111G off of paneristi.com. The guy turned out to work for a jeweler, I called the jeweler and asked for him and he answered. He also had two huge references - Rob Montana and Max. He was very open to communication, did a pic request for me to make sure images were not borrowed, etc. Communicate, EXACTLY how the deal was to go down and had it all documented in email.

So, I verified where he worked.
He had two stellar references.
Did a wire transfer.
Communicated exactly how the deal would go.
Also, I will only deal in US. No foreign. Too many things can go wrong.

Also, there are major grey dealers that sell all the time. One of them is in STL by the name of Bruce. He has a 233 for sale as we speak...

http://www.watches24seven.com/galler...g2_itemId=3169

Thanks Mik, I'm familar with watches24seven site... Is Bruce good to deal with? Also, to show a novice here... Grey Dealer... Is that good or bad? Not familar with that term...Thanks.. Jeff

mfer · 7 February 2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jgk200

Thanks Mik, I'm familar with watches24seven site... Is Bruce good to deal with? Also, to show a novice here... Grey Dealer... Is that good or bad? Not familar with that term...Thanks.. Jeff

Bruce is very well known in the p community. He did a GTG at his house last year. Here is a post of it.

Bruce's STL GTG

A grey dealer is just a secondary reseller that buys from AD's at a discount and sells to the secondary market. Basically a very trusted seller that is not an AD.

jgk200 · 8 February 2009, 01:54 AM

Thanks Mik for passing along the info... much appreciated!! Great pics as well!

watchhh · 8 February 2009, 10:01 AM

Pam 233 is a great watch.Personally I would'nt mind owning a pre owned timepiece.The price difference is really attractive.Just make sure you get the later models.I've read some issues with the "I" model(first production).Or better yet get the 270(10 day power reserve),a sure winner!

Good luck with your decision

Trurolexer · 8 February 2009, 02:09 PM

270 is GREAT. But I think the price is high. How much for BNIB?

watchhh · 8 February 2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

270 is GREAT. But I think the price is high. How much for BNIB?

Hi TR. The MSRP is around 17.3k U.S(I hope it's ok to post prices,still a newbie,mods).Quite high,but I've read great reviews and comments from 270 owners

Trurolexer · 9 February 2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchhh

Hi TR. The MSRP is around 17.3k U.S(I hope it's ok to post prices,still a newbie,mods).Quite high,but I've read great reviews and comments from 270 owners

Nevermind to post prices here, you safe Pal.

This site is more free than "THAT" site. You know what I mean...

watchhh · 9 February 2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Nevermind to post prices here, you safe Pal.

This site is more free than "THAT" site. You know what I mean...

Thanks for the assurance TR

I feel at home already here

6 February 2009, 11:47 AM	#1
ASH "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Scott Location: El Paso Watch: PAM 233 Posts: 559	need advice I told my AD whom I have a good relationship wiith that I was interested in a 233. So yesterday It came in and he called. Now here is the dilemma, he won't give any discount, however they will alow me to buy it on my no interest house account. __________________ SS White dial Rolex Daytona, Rolex DSSD, Rolex Milgauss GV, Panerai 233, Panerai 111, Tudor Pelagos, Casio G shock.

6 February 2009, 11:56 AM	#2
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Won't budge huh? Well, you'll save about 33% by buying used. The 233 doesn't hold its value as well compared to other Pams. That 33% is another Rolex or base Pam. I have a used 111 and it looks great. Wouldn't think twice about buying a used 233. __________________ member#3242

6 February 2009, 12:15 PM	#3
ASH "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Scott Location: El Paso Watch: PAM 233 Posts: 559	Hey thanks mfer. Do you think the 233 is worth it? I am very happy with my 111 and I just change the strap when I feel like wearing something new. I must be honest I am reluctant to buy used. __________________ SS White dial Rolex Daytona, Rolex DSSD, Rolex Milgauss GV, Panerai 233, Panerai 111, Tudor Pelagos, Casio G shock.

6 February 2009, 04:37 PM	#5
Spencer "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: US Posts: 1,338	I disagree, the 233's seem to hold their value as well as any mass produced PAM's. I was offered 15% off of a 233 from an AD I've only bought from one before. __________________ I'm a perpetual kind of guy Resident Audemars Piguet Fanatic

6 February 2009, 04:38 PM	#7
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	I love the 233 and can't wait to get one! __________________ Jackson

6 February 2009, 03:04 PM	#4
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	Pam 233 is a in house mouvement p.2002 caliber witch usualy keep a good value...not right now... but eventually it will. The market price is about 12k. for new but its hard to find a used one...and if you do find one in a jewellery they will sell it for about 10k. Personnaly I prefere the 233 than the 111...no offense!

6 February 2009, 08:28 PM	#8
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	go for it!!!

7 February 2009, 02:27 AM	#9
ASH "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Scott Location: El Paso Watch: PAM 233 Posts: 559	I had a chance at a 233 last August but I passed to get the DSSD and I bought a 111 instead. Now I still want the 233, however in the state of the economy I would like a discount. The positive to this situation is I can put it on my house account with no interest for 6 months. __________________ SS White dial Rolex Daytona, Rolex DSSD, Rolex Milgauss GV, Panerai 233, Panerai 111, Tudor Pelagos, Casio G shock.

7 February 2009, 03:24 AM	#11
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	I love the 233 as well, i'm swapping my 140 for one next week, if you take the credit option then you'll have that payment coming out for a while, if you buy secondhand off Paneristi.com you'll get one for under 10k, the option is yours. __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

7 February 2009, 04:18 AM	#12
jgk200 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: columbus, oh Watch: PAM 321 Posts: 76	I'd like a 233 as well... the AD I deal with wouldn't move a penny.... The ones I've seen used are still asking anywhere between 11,500 or 12,500.... I've seen BNIB but, are I's or J's... 14,700..... not sure if that matters but, might as well spend the 14700 for a K at my AD & know what I'm getting no? Any advice on buying used? what to look for??

7 February 2009, 05:47 AM	#14
boa2 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Howard Location: Utah Watch: Lover Posts: 3,941	Plenty of pre-owned 233s around for $9500-10500 from reputable sellers, BNIB for not much more. In this economy, an AD who won't discount has his head in the sand. Just my two cents. __________________ "Facts and truth really don't have much to do with each other."

8 February 2009, 01:54 AM	#17
jgk200 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: columbus, oh Watch: PAM 321 Posts: 76	Thanks Mik for passing along the info... much appreciated!! Great pics as well!

8 February 2009, 10:01 AM	#18
watchhh Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Euge Location: R.P. Posts: 23	Pam 233 is a great watch.Personally I would'nt mind owning a pre owned timepiece.The price difference is really attractive.Just make sure you get the later models.I've read some issues with the "I" model(first production).Or better yet get the 270(10 day power reserve),a sure winner!Good luck with your decision

8 February 2009, 02:09 PM	#19
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	270 is GREAT. But I think the price is high. How much for BNIB?

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