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Orchi · 9 February 2009, 03:47 AM

Err buddies...when Orchi 1st seen this listing by eBay PowerSeller - neofashion...
Orchi has some suspicion...
n was skeptical about the Case of the 1675 watch that is...
being listed as "ALL FACTORY ORIGINAL" NOS watch...with "BOX & PAPERS"...

ONE more day...before the listing is ended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300291177599

Here are the pictures...showing the Case to be in Brand New
conditions...

Upon close inspection of the Case # n Serial Nos...stamping...
Orchi finds the discrepancies of the alphanumeric fonts...which are
inconsistently too MODERN...NOT to be normally found on watches of that
age...around 1972.

Also found on the questionable 1675 listing...
is the US made clasps on the watch...
which can be seen as NOT being in NOS conditions...which
is contrary to the Seller's claim in the listing...

Here are the comparisons of the BIGGER n OLDER alphanumeric fonts...commonly found on watches of that age...
hence...Orchi is of opinions that the 1675 GMT Master watch...may have been RE-CASED...n
the Case Ref # n Serial Nos....RE-Stamped by RSC at its later age...at best.

Also...in this picture from the listing...one would see that
the centre links of the so called "ALL FACTORY ORIGINAL" 1675
in NOS conditioned watch's riveted bracelet...is questionable...
having the WRONG arrangement...being the split longer side of the
centre links...nearest to the watch case...
It should be the the shorter side nearest to the watch case...

This riveted bracelet links looks to be...of a later replacement bracelet...
NOT original for the watch...

Furthermore...Orchi has since brought up the same topic in the VRF forum...
Here are the responses...so far.

onkyo · 9 February 2009, 04:21 AM

Great catch Buddy Orchi.

Auction description is NOT accurate.

Terry Newton · 9 February 2009, 05:58 AM

I believe Lady Casper would be interested in this information.

Terry Newton

bonkers · 9 February 2009, 06:12 AM

Orchi, Good looking watch; but then I'm nuts over Rolex's. Is the 1675 on your movement
the cal, or does cal refer to something else and where do I fin it?
Best regards, Bonkers

vtime716 · 9 February 2009, 07:59 AM

the case maybe a new service case by RSC. the hands are corroded. the used bracelet looks good, US bracelet has center link like that... so how can it be a NOS watch???

TimeToGo · 9 February 2009, 09:05 AM

Outstanding, Orchi!!

gbrilhante · 9 February 2009, 09:09 AM

Hi orchi

Read your sharp comments on 1675 posted on ebay, and got some question about one of my own wish i bought this year from a dealer in lisbon.
My doubt is mostly about the way the serial numbers are engraved, wish shows apparently the same characteristics of the one you've commented.
Can i have your oppinion about it ? would like to send you some pics
thanks in advance, gonçalo

motomc1 · 9 February 2009, 09:27 AM

3,0xx,xxx 1675. Here it is again. The #'s are larger.

motomc1 · 9 February 2009, 09:30 AM

nt

Orchi · 9 February 2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

I believe Lady Casper would be interested in this information.

Terry Newton

Err buddy Terry...19 hours to go...hopefully
Lady Casper would get the infos...in time.

Orchi · 10 February 2009, 12:56 AM

Err buddies...11 hours to go...before the listing ends...

The topic has since attracted additional comments...from the relevant
experienced members in VRF...

General consensus says...the watch is NOT All FACTORY Original watch...!

Hoping Lady Casper would get these information asap...to get eBay
to react accordingly...

The eBay PowerSeller MUST be held accountable for repeated discrepancies...
found in his listings of Rolex watches...!

watchdawg · 10 February 2009, 04:40 AM

I just looked at my 1675 from the same era, the model number and serial number are indeed much fainted. Those look like the were just stamped yesterday in comparison.

Terry Newton · 10 February 2009, 01:15 PM

This auction has ended with no explanation. Lady Casper must have gotten involved.

Terry Newton

onkyo · 10 February 2009, 01:17 PM

relisted here --> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300292801315

springer · 10 February 2009, 02:00 PM

Orchi, I posted on this watch in the other forum, here it is again. That case is not from Rolex in my opinion, but probably from the forbidden website:

The box isn't USA vintage 1974 - watch was probably sold around 1974/75. And it is pretty beat-up compared to the watch. Hands are pretty rusty, but the movement isn't judging from the pics. Case numbers looked like they were enhanced by photoshop for the auction pics.

I'd stay clear. I also have a 1972 GMT and it doesn't bode well when compared to mine. looks like a a repop - counterfeit - purchased from the forbidden web site we all know about.

Lastly, I'm assuming someone kept this watch secure for 40 years, in an old Rolex box, and threw away all the tags and warranty paper. (I'm not buying that story.)

I wouldn't touch it for half the asking price. Hell, I wouldn't touch it all!!!!

Terry Newton · 10 February 2009, 02:49 PM

Lady Casper will get involved again, I'm sure.

Terry Newton

Orchi · 11 February 2009, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

Orchi, I posted on this watch in the other forum, here it is again. That case is not from Rolex in my opinion, but probably from the forbidden website:

The box isn't USA vintage 1974 - watch was probably sold around 1974/75. And it is pretty beat-up compared to the watch. Hands are pretty rusty, but the movement isn't judging from the pics. Case numbers looked like they were enhanced by photoshop for the auction pics.

I'd stay clear. I also have a 1972 GMT and it doesn't bode well when compared to mine. looks like a a repop - counterfeit - purchased from the forbidden web site we all know about.

Lastly, I'm assuming someone kept this watch secure for 40 years, in an old Rolex box, and threw away all the tags and warranty paper. (I'm not buying that story.)

I wouldn't touch it for half the asking price. Hell, I wouldn't touch it all!!!!

Err buddy Springer...aaahhh...Orchi sees what you mean now...TQ!

Hopefully this time...Lady Casper might get eBay to consider using...
a stiffer whip on the PowerSeller...!

Orchi · 11 February 2009, 12:35 PM

Err buddies...this time quicker than expected...eBay has whipped the bad
listing off eBay PowerSeller - neofashion ...again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300291177599

For repeating the same offense...eBay should bring out n use the rope...
Maybe Lady Casper can tie the proper knots onto the rope...

Terry Newton · 11 February 2009, 12:37 PM

Invalid again.

Terry Newton

9 February 2009, 03:47 AM	#1
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	eBay PowerSeller - neofasion's listing possible RE-Case 1675..NOT FACTORY Original... Err buddies...when Orchi 1st seen this listing by eBay PowerSeller - neofashion... Orchi has some suspicion... n was skeptical about the Case of the 1675 watch that is... being listed as "ALL FACTORY ORIGINAL" NOS watch...with "BOX & PAPERS"... ONE more day...before the listing is ended. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300291177599 Here are the pictures...showing the Case to be in Brand New conditions... Upon close inspection of the Case # n Serial Nos...stamping... Orchi finds the discrepancies of the alphanumeric fonts...which are inconsistently too MODERN...NOT to be normally found on watches of that age...around 1972. Also found on the questionable 1675 listing... is the US made clasps on the watch... which can be seen as NOT being in NOS conditions...which is contrary to the Seller's claim in the listing... Here are the comparisons of the BIGGER n OLDER alphanumeric fonts...commonly found on watches of that age... hence...Orchi is of opinions that the 1675 GMT Master watch...may have been RE-CASED...n the Case Ref # n Serial Nos....RE-Stamped by RSC at its later age...at best. Also...in this picture from the listing...one would see that the centre links of the so called "ALL FACTORY ORIGINAL" 1675 in NOS conditioned watch's riveted bracelet...is questionable... having the WRONG arrangement...being the split longer side of the centre links...nearest to the watch case... It should be the the shorter side nearest to the watch case... This riveted bracelet links looks to be...of a later replacement bracelet... NOT original for the watch... Furthermore...Orchi has since brought up the same topic in the VRF forum... Here are the responses...so far.

9 February 2009, 05:58 AM	#3
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	I believe Lady Casper would be interested in this information. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

9 February 2009, 09:09 AM	#7
gbrilhante "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: gonçalo Location: lisbon-portugal Watch: red sub Posts: 3	advice orchi ! Hi orchi Read your sharp comments on 1675 posted on ebay, and got some question about one of my own wish i bought this year from a dealer in lisbon. My doubt is mostly about the way the serial numbers are engraved, wish shows apparently the same characteristics of the one you've commented. Can i have your oppinion about it ? would like to send you some pics thanks in advance, gonçalo

9 February 2009, 09:27 AM	#8
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,814	I posted mi pic on the other forum of my correct ... 3,0xx,xxx 1675. Here it is again. The #'s are larger. Attached Images

9 February 2009, 09:30 AM	#9
motomc1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,814	My bad. I already saw my pic was posted. thks nt nt

9 February 2009, 04:21 AM	#2
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Great catch Buddy Orchi. Auction description is NOT accurate.

9 February 2009, 06:12 AM	#4
bonkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Garland, Texas Posts: 7	Orchi, Good looking watch; but then I'm nuts over Rolex's. Is the 1675 on your movement the cal, or does cal refer to something else and where do I fin it? Best regards, Bonkers

9 February 2009, 07:59 AM	#5
vtime716 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 71	the case maybe a new service case by RSC. the hands are corroded. the used bracelet looks good, US bracelet has center link like that... so how can it be a NOS watch???

9 February 2009, 09:05 AM	#6
TimeToGo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,736	Outstanding, Orchi!!

10 February 2009, 12:56 AM	#11
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...11 hours to go...before the listing ends... The topic has since attracted additional comments...from the relevant experienced members in VRF... General consensus says...the watch is NOT All FACTORY Original watch...! Hoping Lady Casper would get these information asap...to get eBay to react accordingly... The eBay PowerSeller MUST be held accountable for repeated discrepancies... found in his listings of Rolex watches...!

10 February 2009, 04:40 AM	#12
watchdawg "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Vic Location: Colorado/UAE Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 494	I just looked at my 1675 from the same era, the model number and serial number are indeed much fainted. Those look like the were just stamped yesterday in comparison.

10 February 2009, 01:15 PM	#13
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	This auction has ended with no explanation. Lady Casper must have gotten involved. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

10 February 2009, 01:17 PM	#14
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	relisted here --> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300292801315

10 February 2009, 02:00 PM	#15
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Orchi, I posted on this watch in the other forum, here it is again. That case is not from Rolex in my opinion, but probably from the forbidden website: The box isn't USA vintage 1974 - watch was probably sold around 1974/75. And it is pretty beat-up compared to the watch. Hands are pretty rusty, but the movement isn't judging from the pics. Case numbers looked like they were enhanced by photoshop for the auction pics. I'd stay clear. I also have a 1972 GMT and it doesn't bode well when compared to mine. looks like a a repop - counterfeit - purchased from the forbidden web site we all know about. Lastly, I'm assuming someone kept this watch secure for 40 years, in an old Rolex box, and threw away all the tags and warranty paper. (I'm not buying that story.) I wouldn't touch it for half the asking price. Hell, I wouldn't touch it all!!!! __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

10 February 2009, 02:49 PM	#16
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Lady Casper will get involved again, I'm sure. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

11 February 2009, 12:35 PM	#18
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err buddies...this time quicker than expected...eBay has whipped the bad listing off eBay PowerSeller - neofashion ...again. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300291177599 For repeating the same offense...eBay should bring out n use the rope... Maybe Lady Casper can tie the proper knots onto the rope...

11 February 2009, 12:37 PM	#19
Terry Newton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Terry Newton Location: Michigan Watch: Rolex TT GMT II c Posts: 6,644	Invalid again. Terry Newton __________________ Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth "Z" SS Date Submariner "Z" TT GMT-Master IIc

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