New dial name...what a joke

[Juhuatai]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

The watch remains unsold and I'm guessing it will remain so, until enough threads are started by indignant forum members.

It was sold and is now up for sale again.

I don't understand all the fuss about the naming of these damaged dials. As long as the dial is properly represented (i.e. clear photos that don't hide the damage) I don't see a problem. If you have a problem with it then don't buy it. No one is forcing you to buy this watch. If someone likes the look and buys the watch then more power to them.

What I feel strongly about is when deceptive photos are taken to hide damaged dials, but that's a topic for another day.

[steeevvvooo]

Originally Posted by exador

I'm eternally curious to know how the conversation went with the original owner of the watch...



"Sorry that dial is toast. We'll have to replace it before we can sell it. It's half the value of the watch gone. We'll offer you $5,000 to take it off your hands"

If my experience of selling anything of value over the years holds credit... This is 100% true.

Buy a silver car... It's called "resale silver". Try to sell it... "It's too common". For a funny colour you pay for rarity on the way in, get shafted for an "unpopular" colour on the way out

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[CalSRQ1]

Originally Posted by mobster600

Literally garbage I’d say. Lol it needs to be re-done. That dealer is a tard

Easy does it...the dealer is both reputable and probably has helped expand the market for vintage pieces. We’ve all benefited from this creativity - bubble or not. Much much better situation than peddling something as “slightly worn” when it’s beat beyond repair, as we’ve all seen examples of. I actually enjoy his humor.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by mobster600

That dealer is a tard

Regardless of your opinion on the watch, this is categorically untrue.

[Juhuatai]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Regardless of your opinion on the watch, this is categorically untrue.

Agree wholly with this statement.

[Juhuatai]

Originally Posted by steeevvvooo

If my experience of selling anything of value over the years holds credit... This is 100% true.

Buy a silver car... It's called "resale silver". Try to sell it... "It's too common". For a funny colour you pay for rarity on the way in, get shafted for an "unpopular" colour on the way out

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I don't think this is necessarily true. Some dealers may do this yes, but remember you will always get more in a private sale than selling to a dealer. My transactions with dealers have always been fair and courteous. They have to make money in order to survive, most of these dealers are doing this for a living. Of course you may sell the watch to the dealer for a lower price than you may get on the market/what the dealer sells it for, but you have to accept that as a trade off for instantaneous payment, hassle-free shipping, and general peace of mind.

Are there some dealers that lowball? Maybe, but in my experience most dealers will pay a fair price, if not the best price for you. That's just the nature of the game.

[kdub]

Originally Posted by mattedialdoc

I have an alternate view:

When are we going to grow a pair and start calling these what they are: damaged...trashed...destroyed?



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LOL! Yes! I saw it this watch on the vendor’s website the other day and thought wtf! That thing is water damaged!


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[steeevvvooo]

Originally Posted by Juhuatai

I don't think this is necessarily true. Some dealers may do this yes, but remember you will always get more in a private sale than selling to a dealer. My transactions with dealers have always been fair and courteous. They have to make money in order to survive, most of these dealers are doing this for a living. Of course you may sell the watch to the dealer for a lower price than you may get on the market/what the dealer sells it for, but you have to accept that as a trade off for instantaneous payment, hassle-free shipping, and general peace of mind.

Are there some dealers that lowball? Maybe, but in my experience most dealers will pay a fair price, if not the best price for you. That's just the nature of the game.

Most my watch transactions over the last couple of years have been with trusted sellers from this forum so I am fine with their model. Car dealers on the other hand I try to avoid but I have found selling a car privately is way more difficult than selling a watch of similar value through TRF.

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[Mark020]

Originally Posted by mattedialdoc

I have an alternate view:

When are we going to grow a pair and start calling these what they are: damaged...trashed...destroyed?

Our love for patina and the ultimate desire for the “tropical” has gotten out of hand. And until guys stop buying these POS it will continue. Stop the madness.


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Puke seems reasonable too

[Verdi]

They also called vintage DJ dial "London sky"! (others call it "ghost dial")
They are obviously having some fun making up nicknames for different dials.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by Juhuatai

It was sold and is now up for sale again.

I don't understand all the fuss about the naming of these damaged dials. As long as the dial is properly represented (i.e. clear photos that don't hide the damage) I don't see a problem. If you have a problem with it then don't buy it. No one is forcing you to buy this watch. If someone likes the look and buys the watch then more power to them.

What I feel strongly about is when deceptive photos are taken to hide damaged dials, but that's a topic for another day.

I'm totally in agreement with you there What I was suggesting in my post is that by discussing this piece every time it comes up on the sellers home page is to give it's own identity, in short, we are making this watch famous and and could possibly contributing to it's value by way of increased notoriety..

[southtexas]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I laughed when I saw it, and assumed they were having a bit of a joke.

I think so also. Just a tongue-in-cheek reference (maybe solely to ruffle feathers?).


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[southtexas]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

If I sold you a rusted up / water damaged car at a premium and called it something special, you wouldn't find that at least a bit worrisome??

It's one thing to sell the watch with these amazing names; it's something totally different when you mark it up and pass it off as a special piece because it eroded a certain way.

I guess in my eyes, I'd either 1.) put a disclaimer in there somewhere that this is a damaged dial or 2.) not put such a premium on it.

To each their own though...

I think the more worrisome part would be that he actually paid a premium for said car.


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[zapokee]

Giving dials these names is a good way for them to get publicity. We're all talking about it, aren't we? My favorite was the 1500 Date with the Electric Cactus dial. They're just having a laugh.

[othertbone]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

"martian soil"...

Not going to call out the dealer, but that's what this is described as. Unbelievable.

What will Watchbox think of next??

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by othertbone

What will Watchbox think of next??

You know it’s HQMilton, yes?

[Juhuatai]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

You know it’s HQMilton, yes?

[Nikrnic]

I saw that one. Funny.

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[saskmh]

This dealer uses all kinds of names for the condition of their dials. They are well respected as far as I know and have had many, many amazing watches over the years. while some who see these dial names lose their minds (admittedly I have done that at times) others see it as a but of a dealer joke, or a funny sales note. While this dealer may use funny terms for their dials, they are honest enough to not state that a case is unpolished when many others claim every watch they bring in us unpolished.

I think their dial nicknames are just a descriptor like" looks like martian soil" Or "looks like stardust" etc. There was one a while ago that was going around as a "lava dial" that looked like melted red goo. haha I've come to a point where I just laugh at them and don't take them too seriously.

[saskmh]

I agree.

Originally Posted by southtexas

I think so also. Just a tongue-in-cheek reference (maybe solely to ruffle feathers?).


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[1675-David]

Originally Posted by saskmh

....There was one a while ago that was going around as a "lava dial" that looked like melted red goo. haha I've come to a point where I just laugh at them and don't take them too seriously.

And how can we ever forget the legendary "Electric Cactus Dial"

[Juhuatai]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

And how can we ever forget the legendary "Electric Cactus Dial"

Or Night Sky Patina

[ldhanddds]

Pretty sad


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[soicanbefree]

He 100% has to be reading this thread and just straight messing with most of you at this point.

Go look at the new "Blue Moonlight Cloud" dial Datejust.

[quakeroatmeal]

"Gritty excrement" would be a better name.

[blassy]

And FYI - it's sold.
Just wow.

[dhknola]

The dealer absolutely knows what they are doing with vintage watches.

I agree it was a more 'inside baseball' name to the dial to have fun with it, the watch is not for me, but glad someone liked it enough to purchase.

[Jacek]

I guess since it's my watch I'll chime in.
The ridicules nicknames are a way to break up the constant seriousness of the watch world.
I thought it was funny after our photographer put it in the add and we kept it.
It does not add or subtract value.
The dial is clearly worn out from age and moisture and is only appealing to a handful of people.

To answer some of your other questions. It is sold and I originally bought it for close to what I sold it for from another dealer.

Watches are about bringing joy into your world not negativity.

[Greg5512]

Originally Posted by Jacek

I guess since it's my watch I'll chime in.
The ridicules nicknames are a way to break up the constant seriousness of the watch world.
I thought it was funny after our photographer put it in the add and we kept it.
It does not add or subtract value.
The dial is clearly worn out from age and moisture and is only appealing to a handful of people.

To answer some of your other questions. It is sold and I originally bought it for close to what I sold it for from another dealer.

Watches are about bringing joy into your world not negativity.

I have bought several watches from Jacek who is honest, fair and overall awesome to deal with. I live across the country from Jim and trust him without reservation. I would trust him on any deal, and if the people with inappropriate comments took the time to research, you would find a recent interview where he shares his opinion that he likes these types of watches.

You don’t like it? Don’t buy it. Keep your rude comments to yourself (directed to the “tard” commentator) and grow up.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by Jacek

I guess since it's my watch I'll chime in.
The ridicules nicknames are a way to break up the constant seriousness of the watch world.
I thought it was funny after our photographer put it in the add and we kept it.
It does not add or subtract value.
The dial is clearly worn out from age and moisture and is only appealing to a handful of people.

To answer some of your other questions. It is sold and I originally bought it for close to what I sold it for from another dealer.

Watches are about bringing joy into your world not negativity.

This. The dial naming is clearly just a bit of fun. Looking forward to more tongue-in-cheek names.

Jacek is one of the most trustworthy dealers in the business. I've bought from him and will buy again.