What you think of these 5508?

[kooltzar]

Hi everybody,

Two 5508's on ebay where I am not 100% sure, if real or not.

1. From Germany:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/321007653634?...#ht_542wt_1344

Hands are definitely newer, but that does not matter. What looks strange to me is the bezel and the shape of the case which in my opinion becomes too pointy towards the crown. Dial looks also too clean to me and as far as I know in 1961 it should have been SWISS T > 25 already. Your opinion?

2. From Australia:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/121003912937?...t_15470wt_1344

Looks real to me, but case back says 66 (with the second six looking manipulated) and the 5508 was only produced until 1965. Moreover, it is a SWISS only dial not produced at the end of the series anymore. Your opinion?

For both watches I think they are rather Franken than fake, but maybe one of you knows better.