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Old 13 May 2019, 12:15 AM   #1
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Double coronet jubilee clasp - reappears

Dear Forum experts, I am wondering if there has been any new knowledge developed about Rolex logo swirls on Jubilee clasps in the ever ongoing debate about genuine vs counterfeit.

Today, at a watch fair in Switzerland I was offered a Jubilee bracelet with a double coronet, letter “A” clasp in very nice condition. The dealer, a reputable person, was adamant it was genuine. Upon inspection the Rolex upper logo swirls were symmetrical left & right, both “above”, versus what is supposed to be “left side over, right side under”. Also, the bottom upcoming swirls did not cross the horizontal ones, but show a gap, something I had not seen before. Finally, in the word “patented” the N and the D are not fully stamped.

So I decided to not buy it, but looking through the forum I found a thread started by Springer in 2008, where this exact same clasp was shown (but by now we are in 2015) and considered counterfeit. I assume it was in the US at the time, so it has travelled over the years and ended up here. Unless there were more made from the identical dye.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=55405

I will try to insert the photo from 2015 below, since it is absolutely identical in all aspects.

But I am intrigued by what definitely looks like an excellent quality bracelet and clasp compared to all other double coronet fakes I have seen on the web. The coronets are identical to the GEN ones and the logo is executed with great detail, albeit not correctly swirled. And as said, I have never seen counterfeit where the bottom swirls coming up do not cross the horizontal ones (nor any GEN either of course). Also, the one I saw today had 7 adjustment holes in the clasp closure vs what is usually 6 in the counterfeit. So maybe a real closure piece on a counterfeit clasp?

So I am curious if there is any remote possibility, since the double coronets are thought to have been produced in small numbers only, that this could perhaps be the real thing? If I understand correctly, Rolex ordered bracelets from different manufacturers and we know that there are many minuscule dial differences from different manufacturers, that are all genuine. So why not bracelets. And maybe they were made in small numbers because of the swirly thing?

What do the experts think?
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