1655 Tiffany Dial

[Silverporche59]

I am offered an Mkr1 Tiffany Dial
The watch is serial number 290xxx
It was given as a gift and engraved back. The watch seems very expensive at 29,000 euros.
My biggest question above all. How can I can tell if this is real or fake?

[Verdi]

A good start would be a receipt from Tiffany......without that there is no guarantee

[GoingPlaces]

Without papers you can't.

[swish77]

Please post photos.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Silverporche59

I am offered an Mkr1 Tiffany Dial
The watch is serial number 290xxx
It was given as a gift and engraved back. The watch seems very expensive at 29,000 euros.
My biggest question above all. How can I can tell if this is real or fake?

You only know if youvhave its history. Either trusting the owner or seeing some kind of provenance with papers, receipt etc.

It is a bit sad that so many Tiffany stamped pieces have had the text added later. It kind of kills the market even for correct ones that just lost their papers over the years. Something that is quite common when it comes to old tool watches from the 60’s and 70’s.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by roh123

You only know if youvhave its history. Either trusting the owner ...

And simply trusting the owner is really not a good option IMO, since the next buyer will not likely trust you.

[roh123]

Originally Posted by Dan S

And simply trusting the owner is really not a good option IMO, since the next buyer will not likely trust you.

Well.. Some of us buy interesting watches to keep. ;)

In this case I would guess it comes from a dealer. Then it is somewhat troublesome to me at least. Each to their own though.

[TimeLord2]

I have a Tiffany stamped watch I got from my father who purchased it new. No, he did not keep the paperwork or anything. The comments you will receive on this forum will indicate that without a receipt, the provenance for the watch cannot be confirmed because there were so many good fakes made with the stamp. I have a few bad pics of my Dad wearing the watch but too far away to show the Tiffany stamp. I also have service receipts from the early 90s but no mention of the Tiffany stamp because why would they mention it? As it is my fathers old watch, and he gave it to me as a present, I would not sell it. Although at the same time, I would like to establish some provenance, which in this case would be the limited service docs I have, some pictures, and another person on this forum recommended I get a written and signed statement from my father on the back of a picture with him wearing it where he states the history of the purchase, where and when, and when it was transferred to me and then signed by a notary. I kid you not. All of that said, I have recently seen some of these, mind you without a single document included, selling at auction for 2x to 4x market value of one without the stamp. Good luck, you'll need it, even if it is real.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by Verdi

A good start would be a receipt from Tiffany......without that there is no guarantee

A receipt from Tiffany is just a bit of paper, more easily fabricated than a bogus Tiffany dial.

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

I have a Tiffany stamped watch I got from my father who purchased it new. No, he did not keep the paperwork or anything. The comments you will receive on this forum will indicate that without a receipt, the provenance for the watch cannot be confirmed because there were so many good fakes made with the stamp. I have a few bad pics of my Dad wearing the watch but too far away to show the Tiffany stamp. I also have service receipts from the early 90s but no mention of the Tiffany stamp because why would they mention it? As it is my fathers old watch, and he gave it to me as a present, I would not sell it. Although at the same time, I would like to establish some provenance, which in this case would be the limited service docs I have, some pictures, and another person on this forum recommended I get a written and signed statement from my father on the back of a picture with him wearing it where he states the history of the purchase, where and when, and when it was transferred to me and then signed by a notary. I kid you not. All of that said, I have recently seen some of these, mind you without a single document included, selling at auction for 2x to 4x market value of one without the stamp. Good luck, you'll need it, even if it is real.

Exact same story here, HOWEVER...my mother found all the paperwork from Tiffany's earlier this year rummaging through his stuff. I was so happy, changed everything with this watch.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

A receipt from Tiffany is just a bit of paper, more easily fabricated than a bogus Tiffany dial.

Can't argue with that but that said, can anything absolutely be proven to be real. I mean we just discounted the stamp and the receipt, what's left?

[HarryLime]

Especially hard to verify seeing as the legit Tiffany stamp was added later (by Tiffany), in the US, after Rolex shipped the watches.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Without papers you can't.

Consider it fake without

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Especially hard to verify seeing as the legit Tiffany stamp was added later (by Tiffany), in the US, after Rolex shipped the watches.

Can't argue with that Harry. I was also under the impression that Rolex stamped a fair number too. No that any records exist.

[Sublovin]

I would pay less than if it didn’t have Tiffany

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by roh123

Well.. Some of us buy interesting watches to keep. ;)

In this case I would guess it comes from a dealer. Then it is somewhat troublesome to me at least. Each to their own though.

I keep thinking that I'm buying interesting watches to keep (or at least to get my hands on them and try them out), but I still end up selling a good fraction of them within a few years. :-)

I'm not looking to make a profit, but it's no fun to take big losses.

[miamiclay]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

I would like to establish some provenance, which in this case would be the limited service docs I have, some pictures, and another person on this forum recommended I get a written and signed statement from my father on the back of a picture with him wearing it where he states the history of the purchase, where and when, and when it was transferred to me and then signed by a notary. I kid you not.

I think I was that other person, and without a Tiffany receipt, if you seek to “establish some provenance,” I still think it’s good advice (I kid you not!). Although ... I hope I recommended doing it, not on the reverse of a photo of him wearing it, but on a full size close-up photo of the watch only. The purpose of the photo is to identify that specific watch as the one he describes, and the sworn affidavit adds some credibility because it constitutes fraud, if it’s not true and someone relies on it. Now that you say it though, using a composite photo of both images - Him wearing it then, and a close-up of it now, would be even better. It’s obviously not ideal, but I think it’s the best you can do in this circumstance.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by miamiclay

I think I was that other person, and without a Tiffany receipt, if you seek to “establish some provenance,” I still think it’s good advice (I kid you not!). Although ... I hope I recommended doing it, not on the reverse of a photo of him wearing it, but on a full size close-up photo of the watch only. The purpose of the photo is to identify that specific watch as the one he describes, and the sworn affidavit adds some credibility because it constitutes fraud, if it’s not true and someone relies on it. Now that you say it though, using a composite photo of both images - Him wearing it then, and a close-up of it now, would be even better. It’s obviously not ideal, but I think it’s the best you can do in this circumstance.

I think it was you, and don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the advice. I did discuss the affidavit with my father over Thanksgiving. However, I am somewhat incredulous. I'll explain. I only joined this forum in February or so of this year with the intent to repair the original bracelet. That's all. Unfortunately, through exposure to all of the nuance associated with the brand and vintage watches, lume, patina, over polishing, replacement hands, dials, and everything else. I think I have been exposed to some kind of Rolex virus which is seriously screwing with my OCD!! I don't really have OCD but I am an avid follower of this forum...now. The illness progresses, resulting in that conversation with my father. On your advice. Hahaha!

Had to add this edit. Thank you.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

I think it was you, and don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the advice. I did discuss the affidavit with my father over Thanksgiving. However, I am somewhat incredulous. I'll explain. I only joined this forum in February or so of this year with the intent to repair the original bracelet. That's all. Unfortunately, through exposure to all of the nuance associated with the brand and vintage watches, lume, patina, over polishing, replacement hands, dials, and everything else. I think I have been exposed to some kind of Rolex virus which is seriously screwing with my OCD!! I don't really have OCD but I am an avid follower of this forum...now. The illness progresses, resulting in that conversation with my father. On your advice. Hahaha!

Had to add this edit. Thank you.

Get out now, before it's too late.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Get out now, before it's too late.

Already way too late Dan.

[Verdi]

Why don't you post a photo of the watch?!

[aram]

Credible sources are important... but sometimes we must be the ones that have to verify based on experience from seeing the dials we know are genuine in person.
Shoot over some photos, and history that you know of...

[oysterquartz17000]

Originally Posted by TimeLord2

Already way too late Dan.

Really, without papers a tiffany dial is as ambiguous as a blueberry bezel on a gmt.

[TimeLord2]

Originally Posted by oysterquartz17000

Really, without papers a tiffany dial is as ambiguous as a blueberry bezel on a gmt.

Not quite. At least, there is support from Rolex that these dials were the result of a partnership and the co-branding is well documented. The Blueberry bezel not so much. I do get your point though.

[Bob_Sacamano]

Hi, I won't buy such a watch in a such context. Just a subjective point of view

[GoingPlaces]

So what is the premium for Tiffany dial with paperwork?


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